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July 3, 2014

The Lineup Card

Ten Trades That Made Our Childhoods

by Baseball Prospectus


1. The Tigers Trade John Smoltz to the Braves for Doyle Alexander
Granted, I was four when this trade happened, so the specific transaction was not traumatic. I remember less about the Tigers' 1987 pennant than any one of several games of tiddlywinks with my grandmother. But consider how it shaped the course of both teams in my formative baseball years. John Smoltz turned into John Smoltz and I turned into a brief bandwagon Braves fan during the early '90s, as everyone did. Meanwhile the Tigers didn't have Smoltz in their rotation, taking away one more reason to stay a fan of this team. That pared the list down to: they were close and accessible and I lived in their Triple-A town.

No, the trade didn’t make or break the Braves. But they got John Smoltz, along with all the other pitchers. I got the tapering years of Gullickson/Tanana and something called "Brian Moehler."

Once again—and this is for all the general managers who are dads out there—before making a deadline trade, consider the children. My son deserves to grow up watching Steven Moya mash home runs in Comerica Park, and this year’s middle relief will get better. —Matt Sussman

2. The Dodgers Trade Pedro Martinez to the Expos for Delino DeShields
I don't know that the Delino DeShields/Pedro Martinez swap meant that much to me at the time, though as a Dodger hater in the 1990s, it certainly didn't hurt that they were the team getting snookered. But we didn't know they had been snookered at the time. At the time, this was just an incredibly interesting deal, two players so young and so attractive that you couldn't even trade for their baseball cards. I was so interested in it that I went out and got the Sports Illustrated issue with Tim Kurkjian's article on the trade. That piece had so much more than I was used to getting from my daily newspaper:

Quotes with real color. ''Even if we'd had five strikes against him, we couldn't have hit him," said Rich Donnelly about Pedro.

Interesting research: "Reviewing all trades made in the last quarter century, one finds that there was not a one-for-one deal involving proven major leaguers age 25 and younger rivaling this one in terms of talent and potential. On Dec. 8, 1977, the California Angels dealt second baseman Jerry Remy to the Boston Red Sox for pitcher Don Aase, and on Oct. 18, 1973, the Pittsburgh Pirates sent second baseman Dave Cash to the Phils for pitcher Ken Brett. None was older than 25 and all were good players at the time, but neither deal was on a par with DeShields for Martinez."

Backstory: "The roots of this trade reach from May 1992 when DeShields was in a batting slump and L.A. prospect Eric Karros wasn't getting much playing time at first base. The Dodgers did some research on DeShields in contemplating a possible swap, but within a few weeks DeShields got hot while Karros moved into a starting role and was on his way to becoming the National League Rookie of the Year. Then, at the end of last season, Montreal began looking around. The Expos needed a righthanded starter, and they also had to move a high-salaried player if they wanted to keep their 1994 payroll under $20 million. DeShields was coming off a .295 season, and with Mike Lansing (.287 as a rookie) a suitable eplacement, the Montreal brass decided DeShields was their most marketable asset."

Pedro: "Now he wants so much to remain in Montreal that he says his goal in 1994 'is to marry a French Canadian woman.'''

I enjoyed that article so much that I started hoarding SI whenever I could find it--granddad's house, dentist's office, etc. Before long, I was subscribing. That was a trade with a clear winner. (Me. I was the winner. In case that was too subtle.) —Sam Miller

3. The Indians Trade Joe Carter to the Padres for Sandy Alomar, Carlos Baerga, and Chris James
The 1980s ended for the Cleveland Indians a couple of weeks early. On December 6, 1989, the Indians traded the man who had become the "face of the franchise," Joe Carter, to the San Diego Padres. It was devastating because Carter was always good for 30 HR and 100 RBI (I was younger then). He was one of the last pieces left from a young core that once looked so promising that Carter and Cory Snyder were featured on the cover of Sports Illustrated proclaiming them the soon-to-be 1987 World Series champions (whoops). And then Carter was gone. I heard he popped up later with the Blue Jays and did something or other, which is nice for him.

Despite how sad it was to see Carter go, the trade did net the Indians Carlos Baerga (back when he was good) and Sandy Alomar Jr. As an added bonus, they also got Chris James, who is still the answer to an Indians trivia question for once driving in 9 runs in a game. If trading Carter was the symbolic statement that the 80s were over for the Indians, then in retrospect, that was also the day that the 90s began. At the time, we had no idea how much fun the 90s would be in Cleveland. Alomar and Baerga would go on to develop into solid, middle-of-the-diamond players and eventually, part of the first Indians team to make the World Series in 41 years. At the time though, it hurt. My brother had a Joe Carter Starting Lineup figure, and it's not like you could change the jerseys on those things. Other players had come and gone, but Carter? Now that figurine was now just an echo of the glory that once was. Looking back—oh dear, I think I'm about to go all Wonder Years on you—it was the first time I had experienced the transition from one era to another in my fandom and for a kid, that's always a little traumatic. The Indians teams that followed gave Cleveland (and me) some magical memories, but that day in December of 1989 turned out to be one of those strangely formative moments in life. —Russell A. Carleton

4. The Braves Trade Brett Butler, Rick Behenna, and Brook Jacoby to the Indians for Len Barker
Brett Butler was the first minor-league player I ever saw who had the unmistakable skills and aura of a future big-leaguer. He played part of the 1980 season for the Durham Bulls, Atlanta’s High-A farm team, producing a .366/.513/.513 slash line and stealing 36 bases in 66 games. In fairly short order, he was in the majors. In my youthful conception of the natural order of things, he would be the Atlanta Braves’ center fielder and leadoff sparkplug thereafter, until his wheels someday fell off.

Then, pow: After the 1983 season, Butler was traded, along with Brook Jacoby and Rick Behenna—who had thrown a no-hitter in Durham in that same 1980 season—for Len Barker. Butler and Jacoby were PTNBLs two months after the deal was made; the Braves had thrown in an additional $150,000 in late August, when they acquired Barker to help them in the stretch run (they fell short, missing the playoffs).

Barker himself had thrown a big-league perfect game in 1981, when he was an All-Star, but the trade rattled me. Just like that? Butler gone? And Jacoby, who had been so highly regarded in the minors that he skipped high-A Durham altogether? I had thought of the minors as a place with more sanctity than that, where the assets were prized and protected. These were the Braves’ guys, stocks just starting to pay off. How unceremoniously they could be flipped.

Having finally accepted the trade (and appreciating that Barker was a pitcher of no small talent), I then felt the second shock of the deal: the Braves had made a bad one. Butler became one of the game’s premiere leadoff hitters for a decade, and Jacoby was an All-Star, locking down third base for the Indians for the rest of the 1980s. Len Barker was done as a Brave—and, effectively, as a ballplayer—by the end of 1985. —Adam Sobsey

5. The Yankees Trade Rickey Henderson Back to the Athletics for Luis Polonia, Eric Plunk, and Greg Cadaret
It was June 21, 1989, when Rickey Henderson came back home. The Oakland native had come up through the Athletics' system and flourished at the Coliseum in the early 1980s, but he had spent the previous four-plus seasons playing in pinstripes. The A's were coming off of a World Series appearance the previous year and were heavy favorites to repeat in the American League West, sitting 17 games over .500 when they siphoned soon-to-be free agent Henderson from the Yankees in exchange for speedster Luis Polonia and a pair of relief pitchers.

I knew of Rickey's legend, but his playing for the local nine meant that I could witness the Rickey Show first hand. He made quite an impression on a nine-year-old kid who was in the early stages of baseball addiction, and I immediately identified with him as the rare big-leaguer who threw lefty yet batted right-handed, just as I did, and whose greatest asset was his speed on the basepaths. Rickey made baserunning look more fun than hitting, a seemingly impossible concept for a nine-year old to fathom.

Henderson was a spark plug atop the A's order for the rest of that season, and he virtually carried the team offensively in the playoffs. He won MVP honors in the ALCS versus Toronto and continued rolling through the World Series sweep of the cross-bay Giants. His combined numbers for the '89 postseason include a .441/.568/.941 line with 12 runs scored, eight extra-base hits (including three homers), and 11 steals in 12 attempts, all in just nine games. The A's would go on to sign Rickey to a lucrative free agent offer in the off-season, retaining his services and his swagger, and Rickey responded with the best season of his career, culminating in the 1990 AL MVP award and yet another World Series birth. Rickey is responsible for copious memories of my youth, but what I remember most is not the crouched stance, the “I am the greatest” speech, nor the fluorescent-green Mizuno batting gloves that were too expensive for my allowance; what I remember most is how he helped to enhance my enjoyment of the game, whether from the stands, on the field, or reading the sports section of the newspaper each morning. —Doug Thorburn

6. The Rays Trade Fred McGriff to the Cubs for Manny Aybar and Jason Smith
At one point during the McGriff-to-Chicago talks, a local sports reporter threw out the name Julio Zuleta as part of a potential package. Zuleta, forgotten by now, was popular at the time because he practiced "voodoo" in the dugout by setting bats on fire during a slump. Unfortunately when the trade happened, Zuleta was nowhere to be found. Aybar and Smith went on to do nothing for the franchise, and while Zuleta would've been more of the same, at least he would've made things a little more entertaining—sort of like Jonny Gomes. The important childhood lesson learned? Never get your hopes up over trade rumors. —R.J. Anderson

7. The White Sox' White-Flag Trade With the Giants
A lot of people my age cite the players strike of 1994 as the moment their baseball innocence was lost forever, as a sea of cynicism took the place of what was once youthful excitement and unconditional love of the game. I was too stupid to give in to that; my fandom remained intact well after the strike. No, for me the earth-shattering move that shaped my baseball mind for years was the infamous white flag trade between the White Sox and the Giants. I was 11 at the time and very much in love with Wilson Alvarez, the left-handed power pitcher whose obvious talents obfuscated his flaws in my immature mind. He threw a no-hitter once (I totally don’t remember it), and that’s all I cared about. The White Sox were a scant 3 1/2 games out of first place when they traded Alvarez, Danny Darwin, and Roberto Hernandez for Keith Foulke, Bob Howry, Lorenzo Barcelo, Ken Vining, Brian Manning, and… Mike Caruso. I didn’t recognize any of the names the White Sox got back, and I threw a tantrum fit for YouTube. Youthful naivete was replaced by a bitter heart in the short term, but eventually that was similarly replaced by a deeper understanding of prospects and players from other organizations in general, as the White Sox would end up winning the division in 2000 on the backs of some of the players they traded for.

Sure, they straight-up lied to me about Mike Caruso, but in the end they knew what they were doing, even if 11-year-old Mauricio vehemently disagreed. —Mauricio Rubio

8. The Red Sox Trade Nomar Garciaparra to the Cubs in a Four-Team Deal
Yankee Empire ownership of Red Sox Nation peaked on July 1, 2004. That year, the Yankees were still riding high on the dramatic close to the 2003 ALCS. And on that day, the Yankees completed a three-game sweep of their arch-rivals in extraordinary fashion, to go to a 50-26 record—eight and a half games over Boston. The game went into extra innings, tied at 3-3. Derek Jeter infamously dove into the stands to retire Trot Nixon in the top of the 12th He had to be removed from the game, and Gary Sheffield wound up playing third base while DH Bernie Williams moved to center and the Yankees lost their DH slot. Manny Ramirez homered in the 13th to put the Sox ahead, but the unlikely trio of Ruben Sierra, Miguel Cairo, and John Flaherty got consecutive hits in the bottom half to walk off with a win.

For Red Sox management, enough was enough. They noticed the dramatic contrast between Jeter’s heroics and, on the other hand, their own star shortstop. Nomar Garciaparra did not play in that July classic. He was resting from an Achilles’ injury, and his absence from such an important battle compounded the ugly, nagging question of his contract extension. Garciaparra was a superstar in New England—he had five seasons of at least 6.0 WARP in six years—and he wanted to be paid like it.

But Theo Epstein and his bosses didn’t feel like they needed to sue for Garciaparra’s loyalty. The team didn’t lack for offense (Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz, Kevin Millar), starting pitching (Pedro Martinez, Derek Lowe), or fan favorites (Ramirez, Ortiz, Johnny Damon). What they needed was a healthy contributor at shortstop who could help the Red Sox finally get a World Series title in 2004. Theo said in announcing the deal, “If there was a flaw on this club, it was that the defense on this team was not championship-caliber," Epstein said. "We might have gotten to the postseason. But, in my mind, we weren't going to win a World Series with our defense the way it was.” So, in a four-team deal, Garciaparra was shipped off to the Cubs while the Sox received Orlando Cabrera from Montreal and Doug Mientkiewicz from Minnesota—both of them Gold Glove winners.

As a Yankee fan of 15, I took it as a sign that the Red Sox wouldn’t be serious contenders to the Yankees. Yankee dominance would remain eternal. Why would a contending club trade away one of its most recognizable and talented players mid-season? But, as it turned out, the removal of “NOMAH” was actually a blessing for Boston. The team went 42-19 the rest of the year, and Cabrera tacked on 151 points to his OPS at his new home. He also hit .379 and had five RBI in the infamous 2004 ALCS against the Yankees. Boston ice cream chain JP Licks renamed its “Cherry Garciaparra” flavor “Cherry Ortiz,” and all of a sudden the Red Sox became a juggernaut. —Dan Rozenson

9. The Reds and Yankees Swap Roberto Kelly and Paul O'Neill
I wasn’t yet paying attention to baseball on November 3, 1992, when the Reds sent O’Neill and minor-league first baseman Joe De Berry (who never made the majors) to New York for Kelly, who had been one of the few bright spots on the Yankees’ early-90s tire-fire teams and an All-Star in the preceding season. Kelly, who had been regarded as an untouchable part of the Yankees’ outfield future not long before, had been displaced in center by Bernie Williams, and O’Neill had earned a reputation as one of the best defensive right fielders in baseball. Both players were coming off disappointing offensive seasons, but the Yankees liked the way O’Neill’s left-handed swing suited their stadium. Still, the trade was a gamble, as Yankees GM Gene Michael acknowledged: O’Neill was a year and a half older and to that point had been worth 9.1 WARP to Kelly’s 12.6.

After his age-27 swan song in the Bronx, Kelly had his uses but became a journeyman, roaming from the Braves to the Expos, Dodgers, Twins, Mariners, Rangers and, finally, back to the Yankees, for whom he played 10 games in April of 2000. He surpassed 500 plate appearances in only one subsequent season. O’Neill, free of Reds skipper Lou Piniella’s needling and fixation on turning him into a pull-happy power hitter, blossomed into a batting champion and an on-base threat and remained productive into his late 30s. Along the way, he became a classic example of a player who’s beloved at home and hated everywhere else: Yankees fans interpreted his tantrums as the byproduct of his will to win, while everyone else (including Piniella) called him a crybaby. His batting stance and home run stroke are burned into my brain; I’m still trying to make that left-handed toe tap, leg kick, and level swing look anywhere close to as cool from the right side of the plate.

“Everybody hears the horror stories,” O’Neill said about playing in New York, at the time of the trade. “I hope there are some good ones too.” As a Manhattan kid living a few subway stops from the Stadium in the mid- to late-90s, I got to savor more than my fair share of good sports stories. And in many of them, O’Neill played a central role. —Ben Lindbergh

10. The Yankees Acquire Tim Raines for Blaise Kozeniewski
The Core Four/Fab Five deserve (and receive) much of the credit for the Yankees’ late-90s success, but complementary pieces like Raines, Chili Davis, and Darryl Strawberry played an important part in elevating those teams to dynasty status. By the time Raines reached New York in 1996, his body was brittle, and he had little value outside of the batter’s box. In a part-time role, though, he was about as good as bench guys get. Platooning with Chad Curtis, Ruben Sierra, and Mark Whiten sheltered Raines from left-handed pitchers (particularly in ’96 and ’97) and helped him post a combined .293 TAv in three seasons as a Yankee, just one point off his career average. The trade worked out well for everyone except the White Sox: I got to see a great player who still had something left; the Yankees got 4.5 WARP for $5.1 million and a pitcher who never made it past Double-A; and Raines got to wear two World Series rings. —Ben Lindbergh

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outdoorminer

If these are childhood memories, you all have just made me feel very, very old.

Jul 03, 2014 05:58 AM
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edwardarthur

Agreed! The trade that made my childhood was more like Doc Medich for Willie Randolph, Dock Ellis, and Ken Brett.

Jul 03, 2014 07:38 AM
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Dodger300

You should appreciate your youthfulness.

My memory is that of Ernie Broglio for Lou Brock. How could the Cardinals give up such a good pitcher for someone that my seven-year-old brain had never heard of?

Jul 03, 2014 09:39 AM
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sroney

that was the first one that jumped into my head as well, though I don't really remember if I actually remember the trade itself or just the aftermath.

The Fregosi for Ryan/Stanton/Rose/Estrada trade also jumps in, but I was already in college, so not sure that counts as "growing up". How could they trade my favorite player for a bunch of nobodies???

Jul 03, 2014 10:25 AM
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sroney

On further review, I DO remember Frank Robinson for Milt Pappas. That was a pretty memorable trade....

Jul 03, 2014 10:27 AM
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therealn0d

No kidding. My example of these would be when the Padres and Cardinals traded shortstops. Worked out pretty well for the Cards.

Jul 03, 2014 07:56 AM
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Geoff Young

Your final sentence applies to most trades between the Padres and the Cardinals.

Jul 03, 2014 10:07 AM
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Matthew Trueblood

Love this concept. Adore it, really.

I was on the opposite side of the McGriff deal, but I share R.J.'s bittersweet memories. I called my dad when I saw the news on the ESPN crawl, and informed him that the Cubs had traded for the National League pennant. I was 12, okay?

Anyway, my childhood-defining trade actually happened just after I attained adulthood. I was 18 in 2007, when (after fully a decade of longing for him) I finally got to see Jason Kendall traded to the Cubs. I have no idea why I fixated so much on Kendall when I first found baseball, except perhaps that he was a divisional opponent at his absolute peak and a player archetype (a catcher who can run, hit, all of it, with a huge wad of chaw and without batting gloves) that appeals awfully strongly to eight-year-olds. Whatever the reason, I was deeply invested in Kendall. I went to 15 home games at Wrigley during his two-month tenure with the team, and was probably the only guy there who would heave a sigh of frustration when Geovany Soto was in the lineup.

Trades are so much fun.

Jul 03, 2014 06:20 AM
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rzt101

The Joe Carter/Roberto Alomar for McGriff/Tony Fernandez was a pretty big one too. I remember as a kid being really fascinated by that one even though I wasn't a fan of either team.
The trade that never happened but I clearly remembe someone talking about: Roberto Kelly straight up for Gregg Jefferies. Think it was 1990 or 91. I was listening to the WFAN and the radio host argued that the Mets get their CFer for the next 10 years and the Yanks get their cornerstone player at 2B while making room for Bernie. Jefferies was struggling but he had been touted as the next Pete Rose. I remember just thinking how awesome the Yanks will be if they had a player the caliber of jefferies.

Jul 03, 2014 06:52 AM
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R.A.Wagman

Carter/Alomar for McGrif/Fernandez without a doubt! It made me realize that even superstars could be traded. Also, Fernandez was this young Blue Jays' fans' favorite hometown player. He may still be.

Jul 03, 2014 16:41 PM
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boatman44

Cory Snyder , boy when he hit one it stayed hit, sounded like cannon fire when he got one right , much like I imagine it would sound when Stanton or Jose Abreu catch one right. Memories :)

Jul 03, 2014 06:56 AM
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Ed Carroll

Not to be "that guy," but Brook Jacoby finished out the 1980's as the Indians 3B, not the 1990's. Love this article though, really fun.

Jul 03, 2014 07:07 AM
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BP staff member Ben Lindbergh
BP staff

Thanks, fixed.

Jul 03, 2014 07:10 AM
 
cubfan131

I remember being upset when the Cubs traded George Bell for Sammy Sosa. All I could understand was that Bell was an MVP winner and they practically gave him away.

Jul 03, 2014 07:55 AM
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greenengineer

Tony Perez to the Expos for Woody Fryman. Thus ended my innocent childhood. Still don't understand what they were thinking.

Jul 03, 2014 08:03 AM
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LorenA19

Bobby Murcer for Bobby Bonds -- straight-up.

Jul 03, 2014 08:54 AM
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blocher

You need some old guys:

Pitt trades Frank Thomas to Cincinnati for Don Hoak, Smoky Burgess and Harvey Haddix. A year later, they win the World Series with all three as key pieces.

Cubs trade aging Lindy McDaniel to SF for youngsters Bill Hands and Randy Hundley.

Cubs trade Ted Savage to Dodgers for Phil Reagan and Jim Hickman (whose hit won the all-star game in 1970)

Jul 03, 2014 09:15 AM
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Andrew Mearns

Bobby Abreu for shortstop C.J. Henry & prospects, forever. That move in 2006 pretty much cemented my admiration for Brian Cashman. As I recall, the Phillies had been trying to pry better prospects out of Cashman for weeks in exchange for Abreu, an obvious fit for the Yankees since both Hideki Matsui & Gary Sheffield were hurt. Cashman stood his ground though, and eventually got Abreu for essentially peanuts. The Yankees caught fire with Abreu and eventually won the division over Boston & Toronto, and they made the playoffs twice with him.

Henry was the 17th overall pick of the 2005 draft, but he just could not hit a lick. He quit baseball in '08, went back to college, and I later saw him playing college basketball in the NCAA Tournament with Kansas. Heh.

Jul 03, 2014 09:29 AM
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BP staff member Ben Lindbergh
BP staff

Good one!

Jul 03, 2014 09:32 AM
 
almostesoteric

I still think about the Royals trading Bret Saberhagen to the Mets for Gregg Jefferies, Kevin McReynolds and Keith Miller way too much. It stings.

Jul 03, 2014 09:31 AM
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timber

At least they got eight years and two Cy Youngs out of Sabes before trading him. The one that still eats at me is David Cone for Rick Anderson, Mauro Gozzo, and Ed Hearn. I hated it then and I hate it now.

Jul 03, 2014 11:04 AM
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almostesoteric

The Cone trade was so nice they did it twice! Got 50 games out of Chris Stynes...so that's good.

I think the Saberhagen trade sticks with me because my first fully formed baseball memories come from the 85 World Series. I was an 7 yr old kid. Sabes became my first baseball hero. Without getting overly "old man sports writer-y" that trade took a bit of the shine off of baseball for me. (IT WAS BETTER THEN!!!! NOOOOOOOO!!!!)

Lucky for me, I had pretty much moved on to bigger and better things by then, so the damage was minimal, but I still remember being upset about that trade.

(Those bigger and better things I had moved on to were named Bo Jackson.)

Jul 03, 2014 12:00 PM
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orlandoca7

Frank Cashen securing the young Coney from KC from that package has to be one of greatest steals ever.

Jul 03, 2014 18:02 PM
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Maturin

The Cone trade sticks with me, as well. Painful to think of even now. Scheurholz is commonly thought of as one of the best GMs in baseball. I have often wondered if trading Jermaine Dye to the Royals for Michael Tucker was his way of apologizing for the Cone deal . . .

Jul 04, 2014 15:12 PM
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tomterp

The trade that killed Washington baseball for 34 years - On October 9, 1970, Denny McLain was traded by the Detroit Tigers with Elliott Maddox, Norm McRae and Don Wert to the Washington Senators for Joe Coleman, Eddie Brinkman, Jim Hannan and Aurelio Rodríguez. Bob Short needed more votes for his intended move to Texas, and found one in Detroit.

Jul 03, 2014 10:30 AM
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JasonPennini

Heathcliff Slocumb for Derek Lowe and Jason Varitek

Jul 03, 2014 11:18 AM
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oldbopper

I was far, far past my childhood when this deal was made but, as a life long Red Sox fan, I knew this was the start of something great. It began with addition by subtraction, Slocumb was awful, but what Tek and Lowe gave the Sox makes this the greatest theft of all time.

Jul 04, 2014 17:35 PM
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greg26

Nomar and the trade to the Cubs. I lived in Boston at the time. One thing that I remember -- which seems to have been dropped from the narrative about that trade -- is that Nomar may well have been faking (or at least nursing) his injury. I recall that Theo called the Cubs, they asked if Nomar was ok, Nomar said he was fine and Nomar played the next day for the Cubs. I checked Baseball Reference and Nomar did play on Aug 1 in Chicago.

I think Nomar should be a pariah in Boston and perhaps in baseball for dogging it.

Thoughts on why that part of the story seems to have disappeared?

Jul 03, 2014 11:29 AM
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oldbopper

Wrong date. The greatest regular mid-season game ever played was on July 1, 2004 so the next game would not have been August 1, but there was certainly a rumor going around that Nomar was jakeing.

Jul 04, 2014 17:38 PM
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jalee121

Ahh the White Flag trade would have been mine, so I'm glad it made the list. I was 9 and was oddly enough in Cooperstown on vacation with my parents. My Dad woke me up to tell me what he heard on ESPN and didn't believe it, so he rushed out of the hotel to find a newspaper (oh technology these days) only to find it to be true. While it turned out to be the right move, the pieces the White Sox got back failed to really materialize to change their franchise the way the deal should have.

Jul 03, 2014 11:44 AM
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Broken Arrow

The trade that first caught my attention as a young Phillies fan was the Von Hayes deal, where the they sent Manny Trillo, George Vukovich, Jay Baller, Jerry Willard, and Julio Franco to the Indians for one young prospect. It seemed crazy then, and feels like the sort of trade that would never happen now. Interestingly, the only players that had any real value out of these deal were Franco and Hayes, and although Franco's career WAR is significantly higher than Hayes, until 1992 (Hayes's final year with the Phillies), the two had similar output. It was a totally wild trade, that probably worked out better than it seemed, given the number of players involved and Franco's longevity.

Jul 03, 2014 12:57 PM
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beerd90210

my Indians trading their most popular player (in my 8 year old eyes) Buddy Bell straight up for Toby Harrah, who was older, more expensive, worse with the glove, but ostensibly better with the bat. but not that much better. I remember buying a rangers batting helmet at the first tribe game I went to the next year.

Jul 03, 2014 13:46 PM
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gecko1

Is it bad karma to mention a trade where I was happy to see two players leave?The Padres unloading Keith Moreland and Chris Brown on the Tigers for Walt Terrell was such a relief. Brown I now feel sorry for given his sad demise but, man, he was hard to root for. Meanwhile Moreland might have had the worst year in the history of baseball in 1988 (.256/.305/.331 for a LF/1B! And that doesn't even account for his atrocious defense.) Then after leaving he ripped the Padres fans for not being enthusiastic enough or something. This didn't endear him to anybody either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue4qXfq6z-M

Jul 03, 2014 14:48 PM
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WaldoInSC

I'm constantly amused by the persistent narrative of Jeter "diving into the stands to make the catch," which appears to be immune to the actual facts.

Watch the video: Jeter caught the ball several yards from the stands and -- by his own admission -- threw his body into the crowd in hopes of landing in someone's lap, rather than flipping over the wall and onto the concrete floor in front of the first row.

Who needs truth when we we want so badly to believe a fantasy? It was a nice catch, of course, but it was hardly the stuff of hero worship. Except, evidently, it was.

Jul 03, 2014 17:50 PM
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almostesoteric

I think it has more to do with the effort than where the ball was actually caught. I just watched it. Just like you say, he caught it in the field of play and then ends up in the stands...but it still seems like a great effort to me. Full sprint when he catches it leaving about a step and a half to stop, which is not nearly enough room.

Also, it seems like his other option was to smash his face into a concrete wall with no padding. (Looks like they built a little pen for the NYPD to sit in between the original stands and the fields. A small padded wall is what he gets to first. Had he just flipped over that he probably would have faceplanted the secondary wall, which looked pretty rough.

I've been rooting against him my whole life, but that play is pretty fantastic. I am glad I went back and watched it.

Jul 03, 2014 18:42 PM
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oldbopper

It was so much more than just the catch, which was truly great, but it was also an act in one of the greatest games ever played during a period when the Red Sox-Yankee rivalry was more intense than any in baseball history. 2003 and 2004 and, to a lesser degree, the following couple of years had to be lived by a fan of these teams, and I attended my first game at Fenway in 1948, to understand and appreciate what was happening.

Jul 04, 2014 17:56 PM
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The Beef
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Don't let the tears drip into your lobster roll. I'm sure in the same situation you would have gingerly stopped yourself against the wall because you're probably a better athlete than Jeter, before you hurt your knee in little league. Our maybe you have a tiny bias... maybe .... just a little... tinsy tiny...huh...huh...

Ketchup on a sock is probably hero worship for you.

The fact is, it was a tie game in the 12th with 2 outs and runner on 2nd. That ball falls 85% of the time, give credit where credit is due.

Jul 05, 2014 11:04 AM
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orlandoca7

Awesome read!

I want to see another version of the Mike Piazza Affair, 1998. That was fun.

Dodgers ship Piazza & Todd Zeile to Miami for Gary Shefield, Charles Johnson, Bobby Bonilla, Jim Eisenrich, & Manuel Barrios.

Six days later (I think), Marlins flip Mike to NY for Preston Wilson, Ed Yarnell & prospect Geoff Goetz.

Now that's dealing!

Supposedly, from what I've read, Steve Phillips had the trade set. Fred Wilpon was hesitant to say go, concerned over what it would mean to favorite Todd Hundley (even though Valentine had made it clear Hundley wasn't going to play much for him). Nelson Doubleday, who still owned 50% at the time, opined, 'F-ck that, do it!' Or something like that.

Jul 03, 2014 17:56 PM
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Dodger300

There was a movie out at the time that described Piazza's stay in Florida - "Six Days and Seven Nights."

The Marlins were extremely motivated to trade him quickly because if they had kept him one more day it would be payday. The last thing the Wayne Huizenga wanted to do was to cut Piazza a check.

Jul 04, 2014 09:26 AM
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orlandoca7

The swap above may be my most favorite trade, being a Mets' fan. But the trade that made (wrecked) my childhood was Seaver's in 1977. I had just finished the 5th grade. The day it happened I remember a buddy and I were packing stuff for our first summer camp away from home (probably too excited and hyped as kids that age tend to get).

The news came and I cried like a baby. My brothers, all Bronx fans, poked fun of me non-stop, of course ... blah, blah, blah.

Jul 03, 2014 18:12 PM
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wade1018

Cleveland fans still haven't gotten over Rocky Colavito for Harvey Kuenn

Jul 04, 2014 05:03 AM
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leh1935

How about Norm Cash for Steve Demeter

Jul 04, 2014 21:22 PM
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qa4634

Zuleta's fleeting moment with the Cubs/MLB is long gone, but he is certainly not forgotten.

Jul 04, 2014 06:37 AM
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happyfunmiles

My youth and my next twenty years of Orioles fandom were defined by the day I got out of class in 1991 to discover that Steve Finley, Pete Harnisch and Curt Schilling had been shipped off the Astros for Glenn Friggin' Davis.

My friends thought I was insane to deride the trade. He would hit a million home runs at Camden Yards.

He did not.

Steve Finley won gold gloves and went to All Star Games. Harnisch went to an All Star Game, too.

And Schilling? Don't get me started.

Jul 04, 2014 09:50 AM
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noblerotter

That was the baseball gods' revenge for the Frank Robinson trade!

Jul 04, 2014 10:15 AM
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noblerotter

As a 50-something year old, no other trade had more impact on the 60's than F. Robby going to the O's for Milt Pappas and some batting practice balls. It change the whole dynamic in the AL for the next 7 -8 years. It was the catalyst for two World Series titles (should've been 3 or 4) and God-knows-how-many division titles.

Jul 04, 2014 10:14 AM
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Shaun P.
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All you younger guys and no one does Clemens for Wells, Graeme Lloyd, and Homer Bush? I fell out of the chair I was sitting in in the computer lab, cursing loudly, when I read it online (yes, we had the Internet in 1999).

I was NOT happy, but it worked out just fine for the Yanks.

Jul 04, 2014 13:59 PM
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woodenbats

Ok, young'ns... To an 8 year old, the Red Sox trading Walt Dropo to the Tigers in June (June!) of 1952 was devastating. The Tigers sent Hoot Evers (sic) and Georage Kell, who was no longer the player who vied for the batting title year after year. He played 3rd base for a few years, until Frank Malzone took over.
Dropo quickly sank into oblivion. I thought at the time it was because he also was devestated by the trade. Ha!
There were other players in the deal... For instance someone named Johnny Pesky also went to the Tigers

Jul 04, 2014 14:36 PM
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leh1935

How about Norm Cash to Detroit for Steve Demeter to Cleveland

Jul 04, 2014 21:24 PM
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DemBums


One more oldie: January, 1950. Boston Braves send 1948 pennant-winning
keystone combination (called that in those days) of 2b Eddie Stanky & ss Alvin
Dark to the New York Giants for ofs Sid Gordon and Willard Marshall and ss
Buddy Kerr. The Braves were looking for power, which Gordon provided for 4
seasons, but which was generally unrealized potential with Marshall. Kerr was a
good fielder, but did almost nothing at the plate. The Giants received a great
all-around player in Dark and the "intangibles" of the fiery Stanky, helping them
win NL Pennants in 1951 and 1954. P.L. Wysard

Jul 05, 2014 04:51 AM
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steve.k

I was a wee lad of 8 or 9 when the Yankees traded Hank Bauer, Norm Siebern et al for Roger Maris. Luckily for me, we moved to Connecticut for the 1961 season and I got to watch every game of the M&M boys season. Any wonder I'm a lifelong baseball and Yankee fan.

Jul 05, 2014 10:28 AM
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jfranco77

Mets traded Lenny Dykstra and Roger McDowell to the Phillies for Juan Samuel. Lenny and Roger were 12-year old me's favorite players and I never forgave the Mets for what they did. Samuel was the first of the new wave of Mets that wrecked them in NYC for 10 years (see also Bobby Bonilla, Vince Coleman, etc)

Jul 07, 2014 12:35 PM
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