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Career Summary
Years PA AVG OBP SLG TAv WARP
23 10861 .279 .341 .463 .291 47.7
Birth Date5-14-1942
Height6' 2"
Weight175 lbs
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ThrowsR
WARP Summary

Standard

YEAR TEAM AGE G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR TB BB SO HBP SF SH RBI SB CS AVG OBP SLG TAv VORP FRAA WARP
1964 CIN 22 12 28 25 1 2 1 0 0 3 3 9 0 0 0 1 0 0 .080 .179 .120 .144 -2.5 0.1 -0.3
1965 CIN 23 104 307 281 40 73 14 4 12 131 21 67 2 1 2 47 0 2 .260 .315 .466 .270 3.0 3.0 0.7
1966 CIN 24 99 278 257 25 68 10 4 4 98 14 44 2 3 2 39 1 0 .265 .304 .381 .243 -3.0 -2.3 -0.6
1967 CIN 25 156 644 600 78 174 28 7 26 294 33 102 4 7 0 102 0 3 .290 .328 .490 .301 38.9 -18.9 2.3
1968 CIN 26 160 690 625 93 176 25 7 18 269 51 92 6 7 1 92 3 2 .282 .338 .430 .294 40.0 0.8 5.1
1969 CIN 27 160 704 629 103 185 31 2 37 331 63 131 2 7 3 122 4 2 .294 .357 .526 .313 56.4 4.5 6.7
1970 CIN 28 158 681 587 107 186 28 6 40 346 83 134 4 7 0 129 8 3 .317 .401 .589 .341 74.1 -5.7 7.2
1971 CIN 29 158 664 609 72 164 22 3 25 267 51 120 1 3 0 91 4 1 .269 .325 .438 .282 22.4 3.0 2.9
1972 CIN 30 136 576 515 64 146 33 7 21 256 55 121 0 6 0 90 4 2 .283 .349 .497 .327 44.1 -2.8 4.9
1973 CIN 31 151 647 564 73 177 33 3 27 297 74 117 3 6 0 101 3 1 .314 .393 .527 .326 48.6 -11.2 4.0
1974 CIN 32 158 667 596 81 158 28 2 28 274 61 112 2 8 0 101 1 3 .265 .331 .460 .288 23.2 -5.6 1.9
1975 CIN 33 137 574 511 74 144 28 3 20 238 54 101 3 6 0 109 1 2 .282 .350 .466 .289 23.6 0.2 2.6
1976 CIN 34 139 586 527 77 137 32 6 19 238 50 88 5 4 0 91 10 5 .260 .328 .452 .281 16.2 5.1 2.4
1977 MON 35 154 633 559 71 158 32 6 19 259 63 111 2 9 0 91 4 3 .283 .352 .463 .293 26.6 2.4 3.0
1978 MON 36 148 590 544 63 158 38 3 14 244 38 104 2 5 1 78 2 0 .290 .336 .449 .289 26.1 0.5 2.9
1979 MON 37 132 537 489 58 132 29 4 13 208 38 82 3 7 0 73 2 1 .270 .322 .425 .266 8.0 -1.4 0.7
1980 BOS 38 151 635 585 73 161 31 3 25 273 41 93 1 8 0 105 1 0 .275 .320 .467 .274 8.6 -6.1 0.3
1981 BOS 39 84 336 306 35 77 11 3 9 121 27 66 0 3 0 39 0 0 .252 .310 .395 .256 -1.8 0.6 -0.1
1982 BOS 40 69 215 196 18 51 14 2 6 87 19 48 0 0 0 31 0 1 .260 .326 .444 .266 3.7 0.1 0.4
1983 PHI 41 91 285 253 18 61 11 2 6 94 28 57 1 3 0 43 1 0 .241 .316 .372 .255 0.6 -2.9 -0.2
1984 CIN 42 71 149 137 9 33 6 1 2 47 11 21 0 1 0 15 0 0 .241 .295 .343 .225 -3.8 -1.8 -0.6
1985 CIN 43 72 207 183 25 60 8 0 6 86 22 22 0 2 0 33 0 2 .328 .396 .470 .319 15.4 -1.3 1.5
1986 CIN 44 77 228 200 14 51 12 1 2 71 25 25 0 3 0 29 0 0 .255 .333 .355 .258 1.7 -1.9 -0.0
Career277710861977812722732505793794532925186743106916524933.279.341.463.291470.1-41.847.7

Advanced

'opp' stats - Quality of opponents faced - have been moved and are available only as OPP_QUAL in the Statistics reports now.
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YEAR Team Lg G PA TAv oppAVG oppOBP oppSLG oppTAv BABIP BPF BRAA repLVL POS_ADJ FRAA BRR BVORP BWARP VORP WARP
1964 CIN MLB 12 28 .144 .243 .305 .355 .251 .125 108 -3 0.7 -0.4 0.1 0.0 -2.5 -0.3 -2.5 -0.3
1965 CIN MLB 104 307 .270 .247 .307 .367 .258 .300 105 2.9 7.8 -4.5 3.0 -2.9 3.0 0.7 3.0 0.7
1966 CIN MLB 99 278 .243 .257 .308 .374 .260 .302 107 -4.3 7.1 -4 -2.3 -1.6 -3.0 -0.6 -3.0 -0.6
1967 CIN MLB 156 644 .301 .248 .306 .362 .261 .309 105 22.7 15.5 0.8 -18.9 0.7 38.9 2.3 38.9 2.3
1968 CIN MLB 160 690 .294 .243 .295 .339 .256 .303 99 18.7 15.2 2.1 0.8 3.5 40.0 5.1 40.0 5.1
1969 CIN MLB 160 704 .313 .251 .314 .369 .260 .316 105 35.7 18.1 2.5 4.5 -3.4 56.4 6.7 56.4 6.7
1970 CIN MLB 158 681 .341 .260 .328 .399 .266 .348 102 55.4 18.5 2.2 -5.7 0.4 74.1 7.2 74.1 7.2
1971 CIN MLB 158 664 .282 .251 .311 .365 .258 .298 97 13.4 16.3 1.2 3.0 -3.7 22.4 2.9 22.4 2.9
1972 CIN MLB 136 576 .327 .250 .315 .369 .267 .330 96 33.9 13.5 -8.7 -2.8 3.7 44.1 4.9 44.1 4.9
1973 CIN MLB 151 647 .326 .253 .316 .373 .257 .352 99 42 17.0 -10.9 -11.2 0.2 48.6 4.0 48.6 4.0
1974 CIN MLB 158 667 .288 .254 .322 .366 .261 .280 99 18.2 17.3 -11.1 -5.6 -2.0 23.2 1.9 23.2 1.9
1975 CIN MLB 137 574 .289 .259 .324 .371 .260 .313 102 16.6 15.1 -9.6 0.2 -1.8 23.6 2.6 23.6 2.6
1976 CIN MLB 139 586 .281 .254 .316 .358 .259 .278 104 11.7 14.8 -9.3 5.1 -1.7 16.2 2.4 16.2 2.4
1977 MON MLB 154 633 .293 .260 .321 .396 .256 .317 98 21.3 17.7 -11.2 2.4 -3.5 26.6 3.0 26.6 3.0
1978 MON MLB 148 590 .289 .254 .314 .373 .256 .334 98 16.6 15.3 -9.8 0.5 -0.1 26.1 2.9 26.1 2.9
1979 MON MLB 132 537 .266 .263 .322 .388 .255 .297 97 3.6 15.0 -9.6 -1.4 -3.2 8.0 0.7 8.0 0.7
1980 BOS MLB 151 635 .274 .272 .329 .401 .267 .286 107 9.2 17.1 -10.9 -6.1 -7.5 8.6 0.3 8.6 0.3
1981 BOS MLB 84 336 .256 .258 .319 .373 .261 .291 106 -1.2 8.5 -5.4 0.6 -3.5 -1.8 -0.1 -1.8 -0.1
1982 BOS MLB 69 215 .266 .263 .323 .401 .266 .317 106 1.2 5.8 -3.4 0.1 0.1 3.7 0.4 3.7 0.4
1983 PHI MLB 91 285 .255 .261 .323 .386 .260 .285 102 -1.6 7.7 -4.5 -2.9 -1.6 0.6 -0.2 0.6 -0.2
1984 CIN MLB 71 149 .225 .256 .315 .369 .254 .270 99 -5.2 4.0 -1.8 -1.8 -0.3 -3.8 -0.6 -3.8 -0.6
1985 CIN MLB 72 207 .319 .254 .315 .378 .257 .344 93 12.1 5.6 -3.2 -1.3 -0.6 15.4 1.5 15.4 1.5
1986 CIN MLB 77 228 .258 .254 .322 .377 .258 .278 105 -0.5 6.3 -3.6 -1.9 0.4 1.7 -0.0 1.7 -0.0

Statistics For All Levels

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Year Team Lg PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG ISO TAv VORP FRAA WARP
1964 CIN MLB 28 1 2 1 0 0 1 3 9 0 0 .080 .179 .120 .040 .144 -2.5 0.1 -0.3
1965 CIN MLB 307 40 73 14 4 12 47 21 67 0 2 .260 .315 .466 .206 .270 3.0 3.0 0.7
1966 CIN MLB 278 25 68 10 4 4 39 14 44 1 0 .265 .304 .381 .117 .243 -3.0 -2.3 -0.6
1967 CIN MLB 644 78 174 28 7 26 102 33 102 0 3 .290 .328 .490 .200 .301 38.9 -18.9 2.3
1968 CIN MLB 690 93 176 25 7 18 92 51 92 3 2 .282 .338 .430 .149 .294 40.0 0.8 5.1
1969 CIN MLB 704 103 185 31 2 37 122 63 131 4 2 .294 .357 .526 .232 .313 56.4 4.5 6.7
1970 CIN MLB 681 107 186 28 6 40 129 83 134 8 3 .317 .401 .589 .273 .341 74.1 -5.7 7.2
1971 CIN MLB 664 72 164 22 3 25 91 51 120 4 1 .269 .325 .438 .169 .282 22.4 3.0 2.9
1972 CIN MLB 576 64 146 33 7 21 90 55 121 4 2 .283 .349 .497 .214 .327 44.1 -2.8 4.9
1973 CIN MLB 647 73 177 33 3 27 101 74 117 3 1 .314 .393 .527 .213 .326 48.6 -11.2 4.0
1974 CIN MLB 667 81 158 28 2 28 101 61 112 1 3 .265 .331 .460 .195 .288 23.2 -5.6 1.9
1975 CIN MLB 574 74 144 28 3 20 109 54 101 1 2 .282 .350 .466 .184 .289 23.6 0.2 2.6
1976 CIN MLB 586 77 137 32 6 19 91 50 88 10 5 .260 .328 .452 .192 .281 16.2 5.1 2.4
1977 MON MLB 633 71 158 32 6 19 91 63 111 4 3 .283 .352 .463 .181 .293 26.6 2.4 3.0
1978 MON MLB 590 63 158 38 3 14 78 38 104 2 0 .290 .336 .449 .158 .289 26.1 0.5 2.9
1979 MON MLB 537 58 132 29 4 13 73 38 82 2 1 .270 .322 .425 .155 .266 8.0 -1.4 0.7
1980 BOS MLB 635 73 161 31 3 25 105 41 93 1 0 .275 .320 .467 .191 .274 8.6 -6.1 0.3
1981 BOS MLB 336 35 77 11 3 9 39 27 66 0 0 .252 .310 .395 .144 .256 -1.8 0.6 -0.1
1982 BOS MLB 215 18 51 14 2 6 31 19 48 0 1 .260 .326 .444 .184 .266 3.7 0.1 0.4
1983 PHI MLB 285 18 61 11 2 6 43 28 57 1 0 .241 .316 .372 .130 .255 0.6 -2.9 -0.2
1984 CIN MLB 149 9 33 6 1 2 15 11 21 0 0 .241 .295 .343 .102 .225 -3.8 -1.8 -0.6
1985 CIN MLB 207 25 60 8 0 6 33 22 22 0 2 .328 .396 .470 .142 .319 15.4 -1.3 1.5
1986 CIN MLB 228 14 51 12 1 2 29 25 25 0 0 .255 .333 .355 .100 .258 1.7 -1.9 -0.0

Plate Discipline

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Injury History

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Overthinking It: The Best of Baseball's New Old VideosBen Lindbergh2013-02-25
Wezen-Ball: The Night Pete Rose Broke the RecordLarry Granillo2013-02-12
Pebble Hunting: A Hall of Fame Brochure for Ryan KleskoSam Miller2012-12-03
On the Beat: The Deadline Feeding FrenzyJohn Perrotto2012-07-19
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Inside The Park Blog: Big 3s: The Complete ListBradford Doolittle2012-05-24
Baseball ProGUESTus: The Tensest Series of All TimeDave Studeman2012-04-03
The Lineup Card: 12 Great Seasons by Mediocre PlayersBaseball Prospectus2012-03-14
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The BP Wayback Machine: Don Mincher, Part 2David Laurila2012-03-07
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Inside The Park: Remembering MinnieBradford Doolittle2012-01-12
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Baseball ProGUESTus: Silly Goose: Mariano Rivera and the Myth of the Seven-Out SaveKevin Baker2011-10-31
The BP Broadside: "Compiler" Jim Thome for the Hall of FameSteven Goldman2011-08-16
Divide and Conquer, NL East: Just How Bad Have the Marlins Been This Month?Michael Jong2011-06-21
Another Look: The All-Non-Hall of Fame TeamBob Hertzel2011-01-12
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Prospectus Hit and Run: The Class of 2011: Bagwell and BaggageJay Jaffe2010-12-23
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BP Chats

DateQuestionAnswer
2013-03-26 13:00:00 (link to chat)Will this year be the rookie season of the greatest Cuban born player of all time? Is that too high of a mountain to climb? Or only a mountain too high to accurately see over?
(Paul from DC)
Out of curiosity, I used the Baseball-Reference Play Index to find the top 5 Cuban-born players by WAR.

1. Rafael Palmeiro 66.1
2. Luis Tiant 61.8
3. Tony Perez 50.1
4. Bert Campaneris 49.2
5. Minnie Minoso 47.5

That seems really ambitious for Gerardo Concepcion.

Unless you meant Puig. Then it's still really ambitious. (Zachary Levine)
2010-07-23 13:00:00 (link to chat)How about Fred McGriff? Big HR guy with no steroid taint.
(SIERAmist from Clean Coal Fantasyland, WV)
Unless he's added a few homers since December, what I wrote back then (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9871) still applies:

For years now, there's been talk of the fact that with his 493 homers, McGriff might unseat Dave Kingman (442 homers) as the player with the highest total not to make the Hall of Fame. Jose Canseco (462 homers) has already erased the so-called "Kingman Line," but then his transgressions insured he'd never make Cooperstown anyway. There's bound to be a certain nostalgia among voters for McGriff, who hit the majority of his shots before the pharmaceutically-fueled assault on the single-season home-run record began, and an acknowledgment that the round-numbered milestone he fell short of means less today than it did a generation ago.

Even so, McGriff doesn't have a particularly strong case for Cooperstown. Despite the two home-run titles, he's well short of the Black Ink of a typical Hall of Famer (though that Jamesian metric fails to adjust for expansion). He never won an MVP award (his top single-season WARP total of 6.8 isn't quite MVP territory), and while he did place in the top 10 in the voting in six straight seasons (1989-1994), he only cracked the top five in 1993. JAWS-wise, that stretch of six-win seasons still isn't enough for him to measure up to the average Hall of Famer on peak score, and he's even further below the standard on career WARP. The shape of his JAWS line is very similar to that of Tony Perez (59.0/41.3/50.2), but that particular Doggie had five pennants, two rings, and a more famous dynasty to his name. The guess here is that he'll fall far short, but linger on the ballot for a long time. (Jay Jaffe)
2009-08-19 14:00:00 (link to chat)Jay, I think it's impossible to use a specific number to measure HOF worthiness...3000 hits, 500 homers, 300 wins. You can pull a "Curtis Martin" and be effective for several years just due to good health and luck. I think you have to be great for a short period of time, in baseball I put that at 6-8 years, or very good for a long period of time, 12+ years. Do you agree?
(GregLowder from DC)
Among actual voters, by which I mean the BBWAA ones, not the VC ones, career length is a much bigger factor than you give it credit for being. With a few exceptions (Rice, Sutter, Brock, Tony Perez) guys who get elected by the writers generally have had good to great peaks AND very good long careers. (Jay Jaffe)
2008-11-14 13:00:00 (link to chat)How great would Eric Davis truly have been if not for the injuries?
(Brandon from Charleston)
Well, he was pretty great as it was. He probably wouldn't have been too different, with perhaps a couple more years around the level of that 1986-1989 peak. I don't know if it would have been enough to get him into the Hall of Fame, given that his first manager was Pete Rose, who was more focused on getting himself, Tony Perez, and other 40-something pals into the lineup than he was breaking in this kid with the great speed. Davis lost some playing time that way in what would have been the healthy, or healthier, part of his career. As it was, he was one of the most exciting players I ever saw, and my personal inspiration for one of our forthcoming projects. (Steven Goldman)
2008-02-07 14:00:00 (link to chat)Bill James HOF book showed that about 10% of at bats have gone to hall of famers over the years other than the '20s and '30s, which were higher. This seems like a good barometer. It also seems the '80s & '90s will be lower than this. I think the bar has been raised too high, c.f. Alan Trammell and Tim Raines. Your thoughts?
(WillMeier from Muskegon, MI)
It does seem that the BBWAA has become more picky over the years--but then again, they've elected Tony Perez, Bruce Sutter and, next year, Jim Rice. Hard to say they're upholding a standard.

Remember that we're not dealing with complete information yet. Only players who ended their careers by 1988 have gone through a full ballot cycle. No one has been elected by the VC yet, and that system will change four more times before lunch. (Joe Sheehan)
2008-01-10 13:00:00 (link to chat)Joe, do you thing Rice would be the worst BBWAA choice ever? I think he might be better than Brock, but Brock had enough mitigating circumstances (3000 hits, stolen base record, 3 really good world series) that it is sort of understandable.
(djackson from New York)
He's better than Bruce Sutter and a little bit better, I think, than Tony Perez. The BBWAA has some older weird picks, too. I think Herb Pennock is their nadir.

Brock has markers Rice doesn't. (Joe Sheehan)


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