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May 6, 2014

Dynasty Dynamics

AL East U25 Lists

by Ben Carsley and Craig Goldstein


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For this exercise, we're each going to rank our top-30 U25 fantasy players by division before we collaborate on a top-150 list once this portion of the project is complete. For each division, we'll give you our individual rankings and then discuss any major discrepancies in our rankings, talk about some sleepers we wanted to rank higher and take cheap shots at each other along the way. It will be like the TINO podcast, but for your eyes, complete with an imaginary Bret Sayre breaking up our fights.

Just like with the preseason organizational top prospect lists, players will have to be born after April 1, 1988, to qualify, and just like with the preseason lists, there is of course an element of subjectivity that comes with these rankings. But unlike the preseason lists, these rankings are all about fantasy.

Ben's Rankings

Craig's Rankings

1. Manny Machado, 3B, BAL

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Ballparkjack22

Would you rather have Corey Seager or Garin Cecchini in a 12-team dynasty league where the stats are R, HR, OBP, and SLG?

Thanks!

May 06, 2014 06:30 AM
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BP staff member Ben Carsley
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In an OBP league, give me Cecchini.

May 06, 2014 06:48 AM
 
BP staff member Craig Goldstein
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I'll agree with the slight caveat that if Seager somehow stays at short, that changes things. If they're both 3B, Cecchini gets a slight edge for me.

May 06, 2014 06:53 AM
 
natedogg34

Ben has Mookie higher than Schoop, and Craig vice versa. Care to comment on the differences? Thanks.

May 06, 2014 06:49 AM
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BP staff member Craig Goldstein
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Here's my side: Schoop is in the majors right now, and I think he'll be a 20 HR threat from 2B. The averages won't be great but shouldn't hurt you either. Mookie is on a f***ing tear right now (expletives are necessary), but he's still only had a month in Double-A under his belt. I like Mookie a ton and if they were both MLB ready, I might prefer Mookie's skill set, but that's not the case right now.

May 06, 2014 06:55 AM
 
BP staff member Ben Carsley
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I'm not in love with Schoop and while I think the Betts hype is getting out of hand, he can really hit and I have my doubts that Schoop can. Schoop has more power, but if Betts out-produces him in every other category by a very wide margin, I won't be surprised.

May 06, 2014 07:10 AM
 
jjackhammers

Do you think Machado will move to short in the next few years?

May 06, 2014 09:08 AM
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BP staff member Craig Goldstein
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I do not. Two years away from the position plus a knee injury make it seem unlikely to me. It was not part of my valuation.

May 06, 2014 09:11 AM
 
BP staff member Ben Carsley
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I don't either, no.

May 06, 2014 11:28 AM
 
oldbopper

I seem to remember a Red Sox 3rd baseman, of fairly recent vintage, who only hit over 11 HR's once in his career yet made it the Hall of Fame on the first ballot. I find it unusual that all the sharp minds here do not compare Cecchini to Boggs more often.

May 06, 2014 10:02 AM
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BP staff member Craig Goldstein
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Comparing prospects to Hall of Famers is a good way to be wrong, often.

May 06, 2014 10:07 AM
 
BP staff member Ben Carsley
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I don't throw HoF comps on prospects as a general rule.

May 06, 2014 11:28 AM
 
Sharky

Why no Hutchison for Craig? Injury history? He seems a reasonably high ceiling guy.

May 06, 2014 10:39 AM
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BP staff member Craig Goldstein
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He's never thrown 150 IP in a season, his previous K% was 19% (solid but not special) and he's already blown out once. Maybe he should be in the back 5 but he looks more like a #4 starter than anything, and comes with durability concerns on top of it. Just doesn't do it for me.

May 06, 2014 10:42 AM
 
NightmareRec0n

I also think we have to slap the injury prone tag on Brett Lawrie with how he plays

May 06, 2014 12:54 PM
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jfranco77

Also quite a big disagreement on Swihart. Is this just #CraigLovesCatchers or something else?

May 06, 2014 11:00 AM
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BP staff member Craig Goldstein
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I don't think it's as big as it seems. Swihart tops my Red Sox prospects but they're all bunched fairly close together. Would guess Ben just has em in a different order and would think they're fairly close as well.

May 06, 2014 11:24 AM
 
BP staff member Ben Carsley
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I think Swihart is in a different tier than Cecchini/Betts/Owens. Swihart is more of a back-end fantasy starter than an amazing fantasy talent to me. He's a better MLB prospect.

May 06, 2014 11:30 AM
 
oldbopper

I hope I am experienced enough to not claim that Cecchini is going to be Boggs but as the old saying goes, "History doesn't necessarily repeat itself but it often rhymes." The similarities are remarkable. The approach at the plate, the very high OBP, the lack of elite power at a power position and, very interestingly, the scouts negative evaluation of both players. Boggs was held at Double-A for 2 years and, again, kept at Pawtucket for 2 years, all the while putting up OBP's never lower than .396. He was slow, he didn't hit for power, he couldn't field, as if the scouts had a vendetta against him. I still like the eye test and Cecchini passes it and, as a very long time Red Sox fan, I would like to see him at 3rd even if he is only Boggs Lite and use Middlebrooks, Betts and a pitcher to try for Stanton. Maybe wishful thinking.

May 06, 2014 11:22 AM
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BP staff member Craig Goldstein
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Scouting stats to make comps to HoFers just seems dangerous to me. Obviously you're more comfortable with it, which is fine but I'm not willing to take the same risk.

Betts/WMB/Pitcher is not going to be enough for Stanton. Any potential package for Stanton to Boston would have to include Bogaerts. They're not going to take some quantity approach. They're going to want impact talent, potential superstar talent.

May 06, 2014 11:26 AM
 
BP staff member Ben Carsley
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Agreed. The Red Sox aren't going to trade Bogaerts, so I don't see a matchup with the Marlins.

May 06, 2014 11:30 AM
 
NightmareRec0n

I don't understand ranking Archer behind Matt Moore at this point. Matt Moore's stuff has been declining and he has no idea where the fastball is going and is injuried. Unless you seem to think the injury has been building to cause those issues, he is seemingly on the Jonathan Sanchez career path.

I am curious about Lawrie and Middlebrooks. When you have Cecchini where you do, you seemingly admit, Middlebrooks isn't sticking at 3rd? And does a .250 25-30 home run hitter that doesn't walk have a ton of value at 1st?

Lawrie can probably stick at 3rd, but if he is a true talent .260 20/10 guy,is that that really that valuable?

May 06, 2014 12:45 PM
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BP staff member Ben Carsley
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These are dynasty rankings, and I still think Matt Moore will have a better career than Archer. Let's not pretend control is Archer's ally, either.

The WMB and Cecchini rankings are separate entities. I can't project for contextual factors this far out, but I trust the Red Sox to be smarter with their resources than to put WMB at first and Cecchini at third, which hurts the defense and gives two players poor profiles.

Yes, a third baseman who hits .260 with 20 homers and 10 steals is indeed valuable.

May 06, 2014 12:55 PM
 
oldbopper

Thank you for commenting. You guys are great and my daily dose of BP is very stimulating. After all, what is better than good debate over baseball? Middlebrooks is at the center of this discussion in many ways. Do you see something that I don't? The more I watch and I watch every game, often in person, I am seeing less and less to like in his game. Ben's comment about him becoming an AL version of Pedro Alvarez was classic. I see the all the K's, the miniscule OBP but I don't see the 36 HR's. You mention that the Sox might trade Cecchini, of course that is possible, but, as WMB looks more and more like Andy Marte, the Red Sox fan in me says that he is the one to shuffle off to anywhere and put Cecchini at 3rd.

May 06, 2014 13:23 PM
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BP staff member Craig Goldstein
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I'm not sure either of us are trying to see something you're not. He's a low average potentially high source for power. There are streaks where he'll be awful and streaks where he'll be amazing (similar to Alvarez). He doesn't quite have Alvarez's power but I don't think Ben meant it as a pure comp, as opposed to that type of profile.

My comment regarding Cecchini possibly being traded was just that, a possibility. I still contend that it is one, though I would absolutely acknowledge WMB going somewhere as a possibility as well. I don't think either of us were trying to predict the future Red Sox 3B, so much as provide possibilities. That's why they both get analyzed as 3B.

May 06, 2014 13:28 PM
 
BP staff member Ben Carsley
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I think we see the same thing with WMB in terms of strikeouts, but I think his power is somewhat undersold. It would not shock me to see him reach 30 homers some day, and while it feels like we've been talking about him forever, he's still just 25. I'm not throwing in the towel just yet.

I agree with you that a Cecchini at 3B/WMB at 1B future for the Red Sox is unlikely. WMB's bat doesn't profile there, and I think he'd just be traded if Boston decides Cecchini is the future at the hot corner. He's also a good defensive 3B, so someone will bite even if the return isn't huge.

May 06, 2014 13:31 PM
 
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