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December 16, 2008, 08:47 PM ET
Aloha, Hawaii Winter Baseball

by Kevin Goldstein

Unfortunately, this time aloha means goodbye. I got some indication that this was coming during my time in Las Vegas, but today the hammer finally came down as the general managers voted to consolidate off-season leagues to Arizona, thus ending the three-year return of the Hawaiian League.

League owner Duane Kirisu is a man whose love of both baseball and Hawaii knows no bounds, and he poured a considerable amount of his own resources into the league, but it proved to be a quixotic endeavor due to distance and minuscule attendance, as when you are in Hawaii, going to baseball games is far from the top of the list when it comes to ways for one to spend their leisure time, especially the tourists.

Still, the league filled a crucial gap in the winter league landscape, providing the opportunity of extra playing time for talents one notch below the AA/AAA level of the Arizona Fall League and the various Latin American circuits. The league even benefited from the new draft signing deadline, as numerous top picks who signed late (including Buster Posey and Yonder Alonso from this year’s class) were able to cut their teeth in the league.

Major League Baseball certainly saw value in such a league, but the logistics just proved to be too much to overcome. Expect an announcement in the coming days of a second, lower-level fall league in Arizona.

It certainly makes sense on a cost control level, but it won’t be nearly as cool.

15 comments have been left for this post.

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Linus
(2505)

For a minute there, I thought this was going to be about how you were in Hawai'i, and I was going to be super pissed, as it's 18 and falling here in the warm part of Oregon.

As it is, this is kind of a shame.

Dec 16, 2008 19:02 PM
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NoHRTyner
(1105)

Eighteen degrees? We have not seen a temp that high in about a week, nine below and snowing right now in Minneapolis.Good thing the twins are moving to an outdoor stadium.

Dec 16, 2008 20:12 PM
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Kyle Eliason
(15343)

I'm optimistic. A few snowouts in April could mean doubleheaders in June.

Dec 17, 2008 00:02 AM
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Evan
(47)

At least that's seasonal. When there's a foot of snow in Seattle, something's wrong.

Dec 17, 2008 10:33 AM
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Matt Hunter
(45677)

I live in Florida.

Dec 17, 2008 00:04 AM
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elferguson80
(38082)

Dang it, I was trying to talk the wife into going to Hawaii next winter ...

Dec 17, 2008 03:33 AM
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Brian Kopec
(12249)

That's probably still a good idea.

Dec 17, 2008 06:50 AM
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J. Eldred
(32025)

RIP, HWB. Too bad, as it was always kind of interesting to have a prospect league with players from the NPB also there. The HWB was unique in more than one way.

Dec 17, 2008 07:19 AM
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MightyMoGreen
(31882)

It's sad, but it's just so far away, so expensive. It would be cool to have the secondary league in Florida. Even though that would be cheaper than Hawaii, having 2 different venues is still more expensive because of the loss of economies of scale that would be realized from having both leagues in Arizona. Just showing love for Florida I guess.

Dec 17, 2008 08:53 AM
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billm21
(35836)

This is great for me, personally. Now I will get to see another crop of prospects here in AZ next fall. October can't come soon enough!

Dec 17, 2008 09:43 AM
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John from Bel Air
(22673)

Hmm...I didn't look at that way, but it will be like having 2 Arizona leagues instead of one. That is good

Dec 17, 2008 11:55 AM
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frampton
(870)

There are certainly fields in the Phoenix area that aren't used by the AFL (haven't Maryvale and Suprise been off the rotation the last few years?), and worse come to worse they could even play in Tucson. Will make those October/November trips that much more fun . . .

Dec 17, 2008 09:59 AM
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rcmiller3
(162)

Unfortunately, the AFL has used Surprise for a few years now, and NOT Maryvale, which IMO is the best park in Phoenix, if not in the best 'hood.

I think a 2nd league in Arizona would be great. Maybe they'll even use Tempe Diablo for some games.

Dec 17, 2008 12:25 PM
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vtadave
(11550)

I was about to apply for a BP gig and volunteer to cover the HWL. Ah well.

Dec 17, 2008 18:20 PM
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krgrecw
(44970)

a little OT but does anyone think the MLB TV channel could cover AFL games? I could have sworn i heard they would cover dominican winter league games

Dec 19, 2008 09:09 AM
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