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September 29, 2010

Under The Knife

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by Will Carroll

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There's no easy way to say goodbye, but there's always a time when we have to do it. Life turns like a season, and as the leaves change, so do the circumstances of our life. Eight years is a long time to do any one thing at any one place. I think in some small way, I've been able to perform the core mission I hoped to when I started writing about sports medicine: to educate the public about the overlooked importance of health, safety, and the hard work of medical staffs in winning baseball.

When I hear an announcer or sportswriter talk about injuries now, sometimes, I can hear a little bit of what I said here, and often I hear that there's a lot of work left to do. That work will, I hope, be carried on long after I'm gone. There are a lot of people to thank for help along the way, from Peter Gammons to Rob Neyer and thousands of others, I'm sure, but most importantly, each and every person who read or listened to my work. Waylon Jennings once said "I didn't aim at anything but good music." I hope that I hit my mark half as well. Thank you.

So for one last time, I need you to roar as we go on to the injuries:

Miguel Cabrera (sprained ankle, ERD 10/4)
Many think that Cabrera has the upper hand in the AL MVP race for precisely the reason I voted Adam Wainwright and Dan Haren for Cy Young last season: availability. If all other things are relatively equal, how much value does being there have? For years, I've wondered why MLVr lingers in relative anonymity. I won't get into the failings of sabermetric marketing here, but with Cabrera's season-ending ankle sprain, the difference between Cabrera and Josh Hamilton narrows slightly. Cabrera's sprain is pretty severe, but nothing that will require more than time or rest, something he'll have plenty of this winter. It does highlight a couple issues that face injury analysis. First, we'll never know exactly how long it took Cabrera to heal. He'll be sitting on a beach somewhere instead of running or taking grounders at that point. It gives us less data to work with, something we already have very little of. Second, despite this being a traumatic injury that would be difficult to prevent, there's no cost to the team in days or dollars lost. Some teams have an internal system that they use to monitor injuries that uses the more informative "able/not able" designation. Simply, could a player play that day? Knowing that simple information allows them a better calculation of the value they're getting for the money.

Justin Upton (strained shoulder, ERD 10/4)
The Diamondbacks sent Upton to Dr. James Andrews on Monday... or did Upton request the second opinion? Either way, it looks as if Upton's 2010 is done. Dr. Andrews found a small labrum tear, but that surgery is not necessary yet. The lax shoulder is similar to what his brother B.J. had after the 2008 campaign and is a good guide. The older Upton might be something of a disappointment to Rays partisans, but after the surgery, Upton was essentially back to level six to eight months after surgery. Over a year out now, his stats and scouting reports at bat and in the field look substantially similar to what he was doing before the surgery. That's success, but many only remember Upton going insane during the 2008 postseason and had the expectation that the hot streak was him finally finding the next level. It wasn't, he didn't, but that doesn't make the surgery less of a success. Some have tried to say that the surgery reduced B.J.'s power, but I don't see the evidence for that. The timeline for recovery means a decision needs to be made soon. With Kevin Towers coming in as general manager, expect this to be one of the first things he'll weigh in on.

Josh Hamilton (fractured ribs, ERD 10/2)
We know now that Hamilton is getting a series of injections of painkillers into his back, some significantly higher than had been previously thought. The muscles are guarding, but to find that Hamilton is most bothered by the latissmus dorsi spasms is a bit confusing. The injections, known as nerve blocks or trigger point injections, function in much the same way as any cortisone injection but are much more specific. (Image-guided injections have shown a lot of promise for oblique strains, but aren't widely used.) The injection goes directly to the nerve rather than a more general intra-muscular or intra-articular injection. Think of it along the lines of how the dentist deadens one area of your mouth or similar to an epidural injection before childbirth. The injections aren't long lasting, but in concert with other treatments, they can break the pain/spasm cycle and allow other things to work. Hamilton will continue to progress toward a weekend start, but this is going to have to be a real team effort between all facets of the situation—Hamilton, athletic trainer Jamie Reed, team orthopedist Keith Meister, Ron Washington, and Jon Daniels' crew in the front office.

Joe Mauer (inflamed knee, ERD 9/30)
Jim Thome (strained back, ERD 10/2)
We need a word for "shut down so that he'll be rested for the playoffs but play a couple games so he's not rusty." Mauer is not expected to play until today, and the clinch has helped the Twins' medical staff keep the leash on him. The cortisone shot is getting time to work, his back and shoulder are getting some rest, and Mauer can take a deep breath before the playoffs. He could get an extra day off or even skip a game in the final series as well, but he's expected to be fine for the playoffs, or as fine as he can be at this stage. It won't surprise me at all if he needs a clean-up surgery after the season on both the knee and the shoulder. Thome isn't as banged up, but his chronic back problems have acted up a bit more over the second half despite his solid results. The medical staff has worked hard to minimize the situation and it has done a great job at keeping him productive. As with Mauer, Thome will get some more time off due to the clinch and be ready for a very interesting October. With both Mauer and Thome and other players on the field, the medical staff is going to end up a deciding factor in how the Twins compete, especially if they get deeper into the playoffs.

Martin Prado (strained oblique, ERD 10/4)
If the play reminded you of Chipper Jones a little bit, I don't blame you. Prado went diving to his right and came down hard. Later, coming out of the batter's box, the hip tightened up, and Prado could barely make it out of the box. The original diagnosis was a hip pointer, but an MRI showed that he has a severe oblique strain. He'll be shut down with the doctors saying this will need a minimum of two months to recover from. With the Braves locked in a tight race, the slightest things can mean the difference between the playoffs and tee times. Of course, it's not just the things that happen now. It's always hard to assume anything in baseball, but there are assumptions we can safely make. Jones' availability over the second half might have improved the team by some fraction. Derek Lowe being able to pitch through a sore elbow because of the diligent work of the medical staff might be worth a win or even two. Minimizing the time that Jason Heyward missed when he had injuries has a real value. Up and down the playoff teams and those just outside it, you're going to find that short of some superstars, its the men in the training room that add the most value and all for a lot less than the minimum player salary. Now, it's up to what the Braves have left. Prado is going to be sitting beside Jones, wondering what might have been.

Adam Wainwright (inflamed elbow, ERD 10/4)
A couple years back, the Pirates nearly killed the career of Tom Gorzelanny. The regime they had then, specifically pitching coach Jim Colborn, really pushed to have Gorzelanny win his 15th game. We knew then, as we do now, that wins are pretty poor as a measure for... anything. Fifteen isn't 20 but it doesn't make me feel much better that it seems like the Cardinals did the same thing with Wainwright that the Pirates did. Wainwright has been pitching with a sore elbow for a couple starts now but stayed with it until he racked up his 20th win. The Cards are shutting him down now, but has the damage been done? Wainwright is one of the most valuable assets the Cardinals have, and given his performance this year, he'll be getting a lot of votes for the Cy Young again. Protecting him is a lot more important than any round number. I can only hope that the tightness in the clubhouse didn't lead to some bad decisions for the long term.

Evan Longoria (strained quad)
Longoria's injury is not the infamous cephalorectal impaction, as many were making it out to be after he and David Price vocalized the frustration over crowd size in St. Petersburg. The fire sale is coming, and yes I know the Rays have a plan, and yes I know they're smart guys with a deep farm system, but don't be a bit surprised when you start hearing comparisons to Wayne Huizenga's Marlins this offseason. Longoria's best shot at a World Series is this year, before Carl Crawford, Carlos Pena, and several others hit the road north. Longoria has a slight strain of his quad, but with the team in a tight race for the division, they haven't had a chance to rest him the way some of the clinched teams have. The medical staff is monitoring Longoria closely, but it's just one bad step or one lunge away from turning into a situation that would be much, much worse. Expect them to be careful with him and shut him down if possible over the next few days.

Brandon Webb (strained shoulder, ERD 10/4)
The Diamondbacks finally threw in the towel on Webb's season. Since spring training, Webb has been an exercise in frustration with each successive return date pushed back and pushed back. Webb won't pitch at all in 2010 and will force tough decisions by several teams as he enters free agency. Webb is hoping to sign some kind of Ben Sheets deal, but given two missed seasons and no sign that he can return, it's more likely that he'll get an incentive-laden deal with a big option, Jon Lieber-style. Some were surprised that the D'backs would allow Webb to go to their instructional league camp, but remember, players are under contract until after the World Series when they have can file for free-agency as appropriate. The team has a lot invested in him, so they're going to take every chance to see him and make a determination about next year. For Webb, it will be very interesting to see how he plays this. He'd be smart to go to a team that has a solid reputation for rehabbing pitchers, but the issue is that he's coming from a team like that, where athletic trainer Ken Crenshaw is among the best. I'm not sure if St. Louis, the White Sox, or Tampa Bay will have interest, but keep your eye on Cincinnati. 

Quick Cuts: If we were doing a Dick Martin Award this year, the three finalists would be the Yankees, White Sox, and Rays. ... Jimmy Rollins left yesterday's game after five innings. It was unclear at deadline if this was a planned move or a re-injury. … Tommy Hanson is a monster. If you watched his Monday start, you saw him pitch with a broken callus. Blood won't help you throw a spitball, but it will help start a legend. ... Jamie Moyer has avoided Tommy John surgery and is throwing well in rehab. He hasn't ruled out a return for the playoffs, though it's considered a massive longshot. One source told me it would take an injury to a pitcher during the playoffs to get him serious consideration. ... The Rangers will likely be without Frankie Francisco for at least the first round of the playoffs, but he will continue to work toward a return. They will activate Mark Lowe, the forgotten "throw in" in the Cliff Lee deal, to see if he could help out of the bullpen. ... Dan Hudson will be shut down with a finger injury. It's minor but is as good an excuse to shut him down as any. ... Alex Rios fouled one off his kneecap and was left with a nasty bruise. He won't be rushed back. ... Carlos Beltran left Sunday's game with knee pain. I've been stunned with how well he's done and how much he's played, but that knee is going to be an issue for the rest of his career. ... It was scary looking as Cameron Maybin left the field on a cart, but the Marlins say it's only a lower back strain. They're not ruling out a return this weekend, though that seems unnecessary. ... Mat Gamel will have toe surgery, ending his season. He could be in the mix to replace Prince Fielder at first base if the Brewers decide to trade away the big slugger. ... Jarrod Saltalamacchia heads to Cleveland, following Kevin Youkilis there for thumb surgery. The injuries weren't identical but were similar in mechanism. ... Some UTK quick facts: First person in it: Mike Lieberthal. Most often? Mark Prior, which shouldn't surprise anyone that remembers the DMPU. Second most? Moises Alou, who probably feels cheated. There's a justice that it's two Cubs. ... Two million words later, I tip my cap one last time to the people that made this possible: my sources. I'll never name you, but you were the real "powered by."

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BP staff member Joe Sheehan
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Let me be the first to say thanks. For the writing, for the laughs, for the information, for the education, for the friendship.

Whatever's next, go be Will F***ing Carroll when you do it.

Sep 29, 2010 00:46 AM

Best wishes, good luck in the future, and your insights will be missed.

Sep 29, 2010 01:37 AM
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Will, you've been the primary reason I've stuck with BP all these years. You did many of us strive to do. You found your niche and became the best at doing what you do. I hope you continue to write in some capacity, but either way, congrats on a fantastic run at BP. You'll be missed.

Sep 29, 2010 02:00 AM
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As a physical therapist, your articles were always great and something I looked forward to whenever it was posted. Although I know the injuries, your "sources" were something that obviously filled in the gaps from what others reported.

Best of luck in the future, and keep up the great work of educating the public.

Sep 29, 2010 04:10 AM
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What! Now Will Carroll is gone too? And we're left with just Bob Hertzel, John Perratto and the guy from Baseball America?

I think it's time for me to move on as well.

Sep 29, 2010 04:28 AM
rating: -3

This is such a predicable reaction every time somebody retires from BP. Give it a rest, will you?

Sep 29, 2010 06:20 AM
rating: 5

well then .... can I have your stuff?

Sep 29, 2010 08:27 AM
rating: 10

Thanks for everything Will. Good luck in future endeavors.

FYI, the Phillies announcers said that Rollins was only going to get 3 at bats in the pregame show, and that's what he got, so I expect it was planned.

Sep 29, 2010 05:10 AM
rating: 2

Thanks for everything Will ... you always treated my requests with respect and thought. Much appreciated.

Sep 29, 2010 05:18 AM
rating: 0

Thanks Will for providing six years (in my case) of good and informative reading. Good luck in your future life travels.

Sep 29, 2010 05:45 AM
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Thanks for your insight, your intel and your acerbic wit. It will all be missed.

Sep 29, 2010 06:04 AM
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Good luck, Will! Thanks for the great reads.

Sep 29, 2010 06:21 AM
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Thank you for increasing my enjoyment of the sport and of BP. Good luck in the future.

Sep 29, 2010 06:21 AM
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Wait, can you explain the difference between a "strain" and a "tear"? You can't leave until that's resolved, say I.

Best wishes. Remember, though: baseball >>> football.

Sep 29, 2010 06:32 AM
rating: 7

No more late night emails from me reporting on some injury that I just saw on TV. I always appreciated your quick feedback and could count on your analysis. Happy trails to you, Will.

Sep 29, 2010 06:43 AM
rating: 0

I've enjoyed reading your articles Will -- you'll be missed.

Best wishes in future endeavors.

Sep 29, 2010 06:48 AM
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Thanks Will! You were fun to read, fun to listen to, and fun to drink with! Not sure how they'll fill the hole you leave behind.

Sep 29, 2010 06:53 AM
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Randy Brown

Thanks Will.

Sep 29, 2010 06:54 AM
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As a Ranger fan who was on rec.sport.baseball, has all of the BP books including 1997 (as well as all of the Jamey Newberg books - 97 was a vintage year), and stayed this long with your group, I'll miss your column very much. I'm looking forward to seeing what you do next while feeling disappointed that I won't be seeing those detailed injury updates. I have liked your role as the non-stathead around here and fear that such a role won't be reprised. Best of luck!

Sep 29, 2010 07:11 AM
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Shaun P.

Will, I remember the pre-BP newsletter fondly, and now here we are, post-BP. Thanks for everything here - you are missed already.

All the best!

Sep 29, 2010 07:18 AM
rating: 3

Thanks Will. You'll be missed. Best wishes on your next endeavor.

Sep 29, 2010 07:19 AM
rating: 2

Hey Will .... what about this guy ... Will Carroll. :-)

Sep 29, 2010 07:37 AM
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Thanks for your efforts and the education. You will be missed.

Sep 29, 2010 07:43 AM
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Jeff P

Hey Will, thanks for everything over the years. Best of luck with whatever you do in the future; I'll definitely be reading.

Sep 29, 2010 07:45 AM
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Patrick M

Godspeed, Will. Your writings on injuries helped open up a whole new window onto the game for non-medheads, and made a huge contribution to how fans can understand the game and its players.

While part of me might selfishly wish that you would stay, it was a thrill following you so far, and I wish you nothing but the best for the future.

Sep 29, 2010 08:01 AM
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Will, how can follow you moving forward?

In terms of my membership, I appreciated your columns the most. That's not to say I don't enjoy other facets of the site, I just enjoyed your insight the most. With that came years of knowledge, research, and hard work.

I would follow your work any place you decide to go. What's the manner in which I can follow you or figure out where you will be spending your time?

Sep 29, 2010 08:04 AM
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Add my thanks to everyone else's. I learned a lot from your work over the years, and I look forward to reading your work in whatever venues you publish in going forward.

Sep 29, 2010 08:09 AM
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godspeed Will

Sep 29, 2010 08:15 AM
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probably the most unique skill set of the BP staff.. likely irreplaceable

Sep 29, 2010 08:29 AM
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You will be sorely missed here. Good luck on your future projects.

Sep 29, 2010 09:07 AM
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Never comment, but Will is the reason why I initially subscribed to BP. Love the sports medicine stuff. Will follow you wherever you go. Best wishes.

Sep 29, 2010 09:10 AM
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"Will is the reason why I initially subscribed to BP" Ditto.

Good luck with your future endeavors, and thanks!

Sep 30, 2010 08:58 AM
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I just want to add my name to the long list for Will Carroll appreciation. I also want to thank Will for crossing over to football back in 2005 when PEV first contracted us to write a "Pro Football Prospectus." Having Will's name in our book really helped us to establish our bone fides, and convinced a lot of people to give this wacky "BP for NFL" thing a try. Will's been really helpful providing both injury information and friendship ever since.

Sep 29, 2010 09:21 AM
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Cory Schwartz

Congrats Will and thanks for the great writing over the years. Looking forward to what comes next!

Sep 29, 2010 09:33 AM
rating: 2

Thank you for years of insight, delivered with humor and patience -- especially while educating the newest readers.

Blue skies, Will.

Sep 29, 2010 09:47 AM
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I just wanted to thank you here for all of your columns, and most importantly, the kindness you showed an unknown. You have helped me and countless others in so many ways.

Thanks Will.

Sep 29, 2010 09:49 AM
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ROAR! Thanks for all the great insight. Good luck in your future endeavors.

Sep 29, 2010 09:55 AM
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Thanks for all your hard work and insight, Will. You were the column that first got me hooked on BP. Hope to see you writing in other media. God speed.

Sep 29, 2010 10:15 AM
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Pat Folz

Under the Knife was one of the main reasons I started reading Baseball Prospectus back in 2003. I'd just like to add one more "thank you," for improving my understanding and enhancing my enjoyment of the greatest game on earth.

Not saying "good bye," though, because I'll be following you on Twitter or Tumblr or wherever you end up!

Sep 29, 2010 10:26 AM
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I could not have said it better. Thanks and good luck Will!

Sep 29, 2010 10:59 AM
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Just to echo others' good wishes and thanks for your informed and entertaining writing at BP.

Best wishes for the future. Will follow @injuryexpert for whatever comes next!

Sep 29, 2010 10:46 AM
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Good luck Will, I'm sure lots of folks will miss your column around here!

Sep 29, 2010 10:50 AM
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Great work. Best wishes on whatever comes next. Your insights will be missed in BP. You're a true expert and friend.

Sep 29, 2010 10:57 AM
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Will Carroll (Heavy Heart, 10/4)

While this will end his career at baseballprospectus.com, he heads into free agency with not only the value of being an entertaining writer, but the man puts out a near daily column, endless twitter updates and will be missed as much for the value of his content as the amount of it. Change is inevitable, if not always welcome.

Good luck Will, thanks for the knowledge!

Sep 29, 2010 11:00 AM
rating: 2

Will, your articles make me look like a genious when talking to friends and family about player injuries. I'm going to miss feeling so smart.

Thanks for everything.

Sep 29, 2010 11:01 AM
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Go get 'em Will. Whereever you go, whatever you do, there you'll be, and there I'll follow.

Sep 29, 2010 11:06 AM
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Just wanted to say good luck and thank you to Will, as well.

Ever since becoming a subscriber at BP, the UTK column was the one column that I read every time it was released. That isn't a knock on the other articles, because I absolutely love BP, but the UTK was always a necessity IMO.

Looking forward to seeing your next endeavor, Will, and following you on Twitter.

Sep 29, 2010 11:27 AM
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Will, I have really enjoyed your writing, your insights, and the knowledge you shared over the years. I will miss reading the UTK columns much like I have missed the Prospectus Today columns this year. Good luck with whatever is in store for you next. Take care, Brian.

Sep 29, 2010 11:46 AM
rating: 2

Count me among the people who are excited by the prospect of change. Will's columns have been great, and I'm looking forward to seeing how injuries will be treated on BP through the playoffs, off-season, and into next year. A fresh voice and ideas may help take the conversation to an even higher level.

Sep 29, 2010 12:07 PM
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Luke in MN

Doh! You will be missed.

Sep 29, 2010 12:36 PM
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I will miss your work, Will. UTK was one of the columns I never failed to read. Good luck in the future!

Sep 29, 2010 12:47 PM
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Thanks Will. I have thoroughly enjoyed UTK over the years. It is the main reason that I subscribe to BP, although I do love KG's daily minor league updates.

I will look for your work elsewhere, whereever that may be.

Best of luck

Sep 29, 2010 13:06 PM
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Best wishes Will, thank you for all the entertaining articles over the years. UTK was always a must-read for me and you'll be missed.

Sep 29, 2010 13:08 PM
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Sep 29, 2010 21:10 PM
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The last time I heard anything about Brad Penny was that he may return in June. Well, Sept is pretty much gone and not a cent from him. Did I miss something in the injury reports that changed his injury progress ? Will Brad be back in 2011 ?

Sep 29, 2010 13:44 PM
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Best post?

Sep 29, 2010 16:00 PM
rating: 2

Thanks for all the great information, Will. We'll miss you here. Please be sure to pop up somewhere else soon!

Dear BP- gotta find a new kick-ass injury expert!!!!

Sep 29, 2010 14:40 PM
rating: 2

UTK and Future Shock were the main reasons I've subscribed to BP. I almost didn't re-up this year but realized UTK was indispensable. I hope BP finds someone to step into the breach.

Sep 29, 2010 15:00 PM
rating: 1

Best of luck Will. Huge loss for BP; this sucks.

Sep 29, 2010 15:14 PM
rating: 2

I wouldn't give Brandon Webb ten cents. He's done.

Sep 29, 2010 15:19 PM
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Brian Oakchunas

Thanks for everything, Will. Definitely my favorite BP column and I'll be another to follow you wherever you go.

Sep 29, 2010 15:40 PM
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OK, the Other Shoe drops from that unexplained hiatus in August. I am sad you will no longer be here, for entirely selfish reasons- I learned a lot from you! And from The Juice, and Saving the Pitcher, and from your crabby hoots at preventable injuries, if guys would only wear some protection...Deeply grateful Will. With best regards for your future.

Sep 29, 2010 16:13 PM
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Thanks, Will.

Your first offerings were the reason I didn't hesitate to pay for Premium from Day One. Over the years, I sent you the occasional pitcher report from games I went to, and you always sent a prompt reply. Hope you enjoyed the reports as I much as I enjoyed sending them, and learning enough about pitching & health from you to do so...

Good luck in whatever's next.

Sep 29, 2010 16:47 PM
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As long as there's a Will Carroll, and a Kevin Goldstein, insightful baseball writing isn't dead. We'll miss you, Will, and Kevin, PLEASE don't go ...

Sep 29, 2010 16:57 PM
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I'm sure he'll be gone soon too.

Sep 29, 2010 19:54 PM
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Thanks, Will, for years of great content. Have you said somewhere what you'll be doing next?

Sep 29, 2010 17:31 PM
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Brian Hays

Gotta add to the list....Wish you the best, and let us know where to find you.

Absolutely loved reading your articles every week. I've gotta admit that you've taught this average fantasy player/general baseball fan more about sports injuries than any one else.


Sep 29, 2010 17:58 PM
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Jeff Evans

I also appreciated the fact that the few times I e-mailed you with a question, you would send a prompt reply.

Best of luck to you, I'm sure you'll excel at whatever it is, and we'll gladly follow along.

Sep 29, 2010 18:35 PM
rating: 3

Best of luck.

Sep 29, 2010 19:59 PM
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Thanks for the great content....I first subscribed to BP after Peter Gammons put in a plug for you, and was soon hooked by you, Christina, Joe, et. al. Sorry to see you go, but best wishes for whatever comes next.

Sep 29, 2010 20:29 PM
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Good luck Will. It's been a privilege reading your work in this space and I always appreciated your responses to comments, emails, etc.

Sep 29, 2010 20:49 PM
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Brian Cartwright

Thanks for the work you did and best of luck in the future. It was an honor to meet you last year in Pittsburgh.

Sep 29, 2010 20:57 PM
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As someone who has been his friend for nearly a decade, my favorite thing about UTK was that it's totally a reflection of Will Carroll. Intelligent, quirky, combative, funny, and original.

Sep 29, 2010 20:58 PM
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Ray Whatley

Will...Say it ain't so. You're the best.

Sep 29, 2010 23:15 PM
rating: -1

I don't think he's retiring for professional reasons. He's probably hiding an injury.

Sep 30, 2010 06:31 AM
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Scott D. Simon

Remember this article? http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9906

Not sure what Kevin Goldstein meant when he wrote, "Since I mentioned Will, it's important to note that Will Carroll is returning in 2010, with a commitment for 2011," but something went wrong.

Will Carroll (whose column was itself worth the price of a Premium subscription) could write an entire Under The Knife with the list of top-flight talent that no longer writes for BP:

Dan Fox
Gary Huckabay
Rany Jazayerli
Jonah Keri
Joe Sheehan
Nate Silver
Keith Woolner
Derek Zumsteg

Kiss'Em Goodbye: Baseball Prospectus.

Sep 30, 2010 08:29 AM
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Great point. There's a serious talent drain going on here for some reason that BP won't elaborate on. Either way, it's not a good development.

Sep 30, 2010 10:06 AM
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Mike Fast

When guys like Keith Woolner, Dan Fox, Russell Carleton, etc., are hired by teams, yes, it's a talent drain for BP, but I'm not sure that's something that BP needs to explain or elaborate on or consider a bad development. Similarly with Nate Silver moving into the political field--I'm not sure there's much that BP could offer Nate to keep him from doing that. So it's hardly fair to write a list of all the great writers of BP past and act like BP hasn't done what it could to keep them.

I don't begrudge anyone the right to say that Joe Sheehan or Will Carroll were the reason they subscribed and that they don't see the value any more. However, Joe and Will obviously are a different case than Woolner et al. I don't see that they fit in a larger or long-standing pattern at BP, unless two makes a pattern (maybe it does) or you're simply looking at the fact that in life everyone comes and goes eventually.

Sep 30, 2010 10:26 AM
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This is a tad pathetic. People move on. Everyone on your list has as good or a better job, and has achieved a wider audience. It happens. You might try dealing with it. I recommend it.

Sep 30, 2010 10:42 AM
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I completely agree. If the best writers are moving on to better opportunities because of their fantastic work here, maybe you should look at BP as a site that recognizes and gives opportunity to great new analysis. Some day Kevin, Matt, Colin and others will move on, and we'll here the same complaints from guys like you.

Why not just wish the leaving guys good luck, and revel in the new blood that has brought some really fantastic work to this site in the past couple years? Jeez.

Oct 01, 2010 06:18 AM
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Agree completely. Some other BP alumni of note include David Cameron and Keith Law. Most writers first come to BP early in their careers, or more as an avocation (their devotion to baseball) than as a career line.

I think BP can be as proud of its distinguished alumni as it is of its current lineup of writer-analysts.

Oct 02, 2010 08:24 AM
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BP staff member Dave Pease
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I would love to have all of those guys back in the fold. We don't think our readers would love the multiplier to the Premium subscription price that would be required.

Oct 02, 2010 00:38 AM

Thanks Will! I've got your tumblr bookmarked...

Sep 30, 2010 11:46 AM
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Thanks Will! You were a major reason I subscribed as well. And as everyone here has said, you will be missed. Best of luck.

Sep 30, 2010 13:33 PM
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Almost everyone I read when I first subscribed is gone. We'll miss you Will.
May your days be long and your nights pleasant

Oct 02, 2010 21:31 PM
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Thanks for all the great articles and insights.

Oct 03, 2010 13:16 PM
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Thanks, Will; I've enjoyed your articles for years and admire your passion for and persistence in discussing the medical side of the game. Good luck in all your future endeavors!

Oct 04, 2010 10:12 AM
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You will not be replaced as easily as Wally Pipp...

Oct 04, 2010 18:47 PM
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