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June 1, 2010

Under The Knife

Tuesday Update

by Will Carroll

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Kendry Morales (fractured tibia, ERD 9/1)
Morales didn't have surgery on Sunday as expected. His ankle/lower leg was still swollen and the doctors decided to wait until that swelling was down before going in and fixating the leg. That's reasonable and shouldn't affect the return time for the first baseman significantly. Examinations the last couple days have the Angels thinking that Morales will be back around the end of August or early September. The chance to get some at-bats at the minor-league level is key, as is the Angels' record at that point. Many have asked if this is a reasonable return time, so we look to the comps. The most recent comp is Scott Sizemore, the Tigers' second baseman who snapped his leg at a similar point during the 2009 Arizona Fall League season. Sizemore came back for spring training and the time period doesn't look good. Remember that there was no baseball three months after the point where Sizemore injured himself. A better comp might be Angels center fielder Torii Hunter, who went through a similar process when he had an ugly encounter with a wall. Two injuries that aren't good comps but came up in discussions were Robin Ventura and Jason Kendall. In both those cases, the player dislocated the ankle, which had ligament and tendon issues on top of any fractures. This injury should heal cleanly, especially once it's fixated, with few long-term consequences.

Jorge Posada (fractured foot, ERD 6/2)
It appears that things are moving fast in the Bronx. Posada was throwing over the weekend then made the big step—no pun intended—of running and then sprinting on Monday. The Yankees' catcher has had no residual soreness in his foot, and reports from the team indicate that the hairline fracture appears to be both stable and healing completely. That's not to say that he'll go back to catching immediately. In all of this, Joe Girardi has been very careful to avoid saying that Posada will go back behind the plate just yet. It appears that Girardi is on Posada's side when it comes to avoiding a rehab assignment. A decision on that could come as early as today, and if so, Posada should be activated no later than Thursday with the possibility of an immediate roster move. Part of that depends on who the Yanks decide to send down.

Aramis Ramirez (bruised hand)
The Cubs continue to try and find a way to get Ramirez comfortable with a bat in his hands. The third baseman has a deep bruise on his hand, in between his thumb and index finger, exactly where it presses into the turn of the bat. Ramirez has been dealing with this for more than a week with mixed results. The worrisome part here is that despite rest, it hasn't dissipated. Ramirez has used padding and changed his grip, but the bruise remains. He has had only two hits since May 17, watching his already low average plummet into sub-Mendoza territory. At some point in the very near future, the Cubs are going to have to see marked improvement or Ramirez is going to have to take some real time off to let this heal. The lingering nature of this is a bit worrisome and is leading many to think that there's more to this than just a bruise, though sources insist this is one of those unlucky situations where it's something in precisely the wrong spot that's exacerbated by the necessary activity.

Brad Lidge (inflamed elbow, ERD 5/31)
Lidge is back in the Phillies' bullpen, but not the closer role. That's likely not far behind, though Charlie Manuel seems comfortable with letting Lidge get comfortable. While we often talk about the confidence of the man in the closer role, it's often the manager who decides things. As we saw last year with the slow draw that Manuel had during Lidge's struggles, Ol' Cholly is perfectly happy to move at his own pace. Lidge came back Monday in Atlanta in the bottom of the eighth with the Phillies down big. He showed all his pitches, good velocity, and went after Jason Heyward with four low sliders that seemed effective and of the same shape as the "good Brad Lidge." We'll need more evidence, but one player at the game said that "[Lidge] looked like he had some confidence in his [stuff] for the first time in a while." Jose Contreras will likely get a couple more save chances, but a few more outings like this from Lidge will have him back in the closer role.

Jason Bartlett (strained hamstring, ERD 6/4)
As Bartlett left last Friday's game with a strained right hamstring, the shortstop was called "day to day" publicly while sources told me that he'd miss a day or two, largely because the Rays had several options at the position that could buy him some rest without having to DL him or hurt the team's lineup. It looks like "day to day" will go until Friday, though a decision on the DL could come before then if Bartlett doesn't make more progress. That's not expected to be necessary, but Bartlett was still sore on Monday. The team has Reid Brignac, Ben Zobrist, and Sean Rodriguez, so it can take its time on this decision. It's very unlikely that Bartlett would need the full 15 days and Joe Maddon doesn't mind playing a man down, especially given the flexibility he has with two multi-position players available.

Homer Bailey (inflamed shoulder, ERD 6/8)
"Wonderful." That's how Bailey described how his arm felt after a session of long toss on Monday. Eligible to return in a week, the right-hander is slowly building back toward a start. The shoulder doesn't appear to be an issue just yet, but there's some question about how the Reds will progress him. The short stint shouldn't have cost him significant stamina, so a rehab start isn't necessary. But at long toss with just a week to go, the Reds will need to see some quick progress to the mound by later this week if he's going to come back next Tuesday, which would be his slot in the rotation as well. The one worry here is that no one seems sure of exactly what the underlying problem was for Bailey. I still go back to the image of him shaking his arm and twisting his elbow, the motion that would open up the front of his shoulder. Something tells me Reds trainer Paul Lessard and doctor Tim Kremchek are taking a special interest in this return.

Derek Holland (inflamed rotator cuff, ERD 6/30)
If this turns out to be another case of thoracic outlet syndrome for the Rangers, I'm sending the CDC in there. Holland is heading to the DL with what the Rangers are calling an inflamed rotator cuff. Holland came out of his Sunday start complaining of numbness in his hand. Assuming that this is just a rotator cuff issue, that would indicate an impingement impacting the nerves that comes through the shoulder and down the arm. That's reasonable, but with the history of TOS in Arlington, the gallows humor has begun in some circles. There's no indication that's the case here, as Holland will be treated conservatively, though expecting this to be a minimum stay is unlikely. This one's going to be more like a month. The team is expected to replace him in the rotation with Tommy Hunter in what's become a rotation rotation.

Orlando Hudson (sprained wrist, ERD 6/3)
Hudson came out of a nasty collision with Denard Span with the worse end of the deal. Well, Span might argue that a bit. While it looked initially like Hudson had injured his knee, it was his surgically repaired wrist that was the problem. It was made a bit worse because of that history, making it impossible to tell just how much damage had been done with simple x-rays. Hudson was forced to have further advanced imaging done to make sure that there were no new fractures or injuries inside the wrist. After consultation with Hudson's 2008 surgeon, the Twins think the second baseman will need just a couple days then rejoin the team. With Alexi Casilla injured, the Twins were forced to remind Michael Cuddyer that he was once an infielder.

Chris Capuano (sprained elbow)
Contrary to what many seem to think, having two Tommy John surgeries isn't much more significant than having one. It's the same thing that happens—too much force is exerted on the UCL and it snaps over the course of time or occasionally from one traumatic event. It's certainly not good, but there's actually some benefit to knowing the process and having successfully completed it previously. It's rare, mostly because most pitchers don't last long enough to blow it out twice. There's a "honeymoon" period after Tommy John surgery, where the transplanted tendon is "ligamentizing" that seems to last four or five years. In that period, there are very few problems and the new UCL seems to be almost bulletproof. It's new, so it's simple that it wouldn't be worn down or overstressed. Capuano's return from his second time around should be no different, but it also makes sense that not so far down the line, he'll need the same procedure. If the left-hander can win for the Brewers now, they'll take that.

Errata
I made a stupid error yesterday. In a "Quick Cuts" discussion of Ricky Nolasco, I said that I don't worry until a pitcher sees a 10 percent reduction in velocity. That's a big number and very obviously too much... for a major leaguer. Back in 2004, I worked on a project I called "V-Loss" for my book Saving The Pitcher. I was trying to find a way to quantify fatigue using velocity loss in a pre-Pitch-f/x world. Velocity loss was an apparent thing, something that we found that a Little League mom could spot almost as well as a trained scout. We found that fatigue was apparent at 5 percent and notable at 10 percent, the point where a pitcher should get lifted. It was a quantification of Earl Weaver's quote, "When the pitcher is tired, the hitters will tell me." Because this was focused on youth pitching (though we did use all levels for the work), the large variance in their velocity is more understandable. For major leaguers who are much stronger and pitching at higher velocities, that kind of drop in velocity can be devastating. I apologize for the confusion. 

Quick Cuts: Is this the end of flu-like symptoms? ... Steven Strasburg will debut for the Nationals on June 8. In that start and every other start he makes, he'll be on a very strict pitch count. There have been suggestions that there's also a seasonal innings limit in place. ... Andre Ethier is back in the lineup for the Dodgers, wearing a soft splint on his injured finger. ... Derek Jeter was hit in the back of the leg, then was lifted later in the game. He had a marked limp. Don't expect him to miss much time, if any, for the Yankees. ... Diamondbacks third baseman Mark Reynolds left last night's game with a quad strain, but there were no details at deadline. ... Huston Street could start a rehab assignment later this week. The Rockies' reliever could be back in a couple weeks. ... Jesse Litsch will return to the Blue Jays rotation on June 8, a few days shy of one year since his Tommy John surgery. ... Yes, there are a lot of worries when you're a pitcher. This kind of thing is just one of them, but nice article from Ken Davidoff. It's stunning to me though that Andy Pettitte, an admitted hGH user, still gets a pass for that while saying things like "If I can figure out a way to get out there, I do it." .... Miguel Montero is hitting in extended spring training, but is still a couple weeks away from being able to catch. The Diamondbacks considered getting him some work at first base, but don't appear to be serious about a position switch, even a temporary one. ... Mark DeRosa started a rehab assignment. The Giants' left fielder is trying to play through his wrist issues and observers say he appeared to really be struggling, even at the High-A level. ... Awesome.

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billgoofnow

I know he's been "on the verge of returning" for quite some time, but any update on Huston Street and when he might make it back?

thanks very much for all this great info!

Jun 01, 2010 07:19 AM
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billgoofnow

lol the phone rang half way through QUICK CUTS, then I finished reading it and missed the one line in which you mention Huston Street.

never mind that previous question :)

Jun 01, 2010 07:19 AM
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OTSgamer

The MRI showed no structural damage to the elbow of Placido Polanco, and he ended up getting a cortisone shot yesterday with the expectation that he would return to the line-up later this week.

Is this something that really expects to heal in the near future with him getting back to 100%, or is this just them trying to numb it up so he can play through the pain?

Jun 01, 2010 08:06 AM
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BP staff member Will Carroll
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Bit of both.

Jun 01, 2010 08:35 AM
 
dkelly1110

Is Ethier back at 100%, or will he suffer at the plate for a while?

Jun 01, 2010 08:34 AM
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BP staff member Will Carroll
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He's not 100%. Question is functionality. Early returns look good.

Jun 01, 2010 08:35 AM
 
Swingingbunts

Ummm... who's that a picture of?

Jun 01, 2010 08:35 AM
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Michael
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When one clicks on "Awesome" what is the name of the person in the photo?

Jun 01, 2010 09:33 AM
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robinlloyd

That's the greatest living coach/manager of any major sport, Swingingbunts.

Jun 01, 2010 09:15 AM
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dalbano

A good explanation of this guy for non-soccer folks would be appreciated. In other words, what's so special about this guy or this pic?

Jun 01, 2010 10:21 AM
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SC

He is Jose Mourinho, former manager of Inter Milan (most recently) and current manager of Real Madrid. He has, in the media, dubbed himself the "special one," in reference to his managing skills.

Jun 01, 2010 10:58 AM
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misterjohnny
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Does that make him a soccer version of Tony LaRussa?

Jun 01, 2010 11:19 AM
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Brian24

Ok Will, so how much velocity loss would it take to concern you at the major-league level?

Jun 01, 2010 10:12 AM
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BP staff member Will Carroll
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There's much, much better measures than velocity that could be used at the major league level. I really only look at velocity when there's a noted injury or when someone's coming back, like Lidge.

Jun 01, 2010 10:20 AM
 
bflaff1

FYIL 'Awesome' pic is Jose Mourinho in a Jesus pose.

Jun 01, 2010 10:12 AM
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dianagram

Hey Will ... any update on Oliver Perez? Sources say he still has his head up his ass over not going down to the minors to fix his mechanics.

So what's the ERD for him removing his head from his ass?

Jun 01, 2010 10:20 AM
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OTSgamer

Any chance I can get some long-awaited Happ news in this one?

Jun 01, 2010 10:55 AM
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BP staff member Will Carroll
BP staff

If I had it, it would be in the column. #WATG

Jun 01, 2010 11:20 AM
 
J Scott

I give up, what is the nature of "the pass" you're stunned that Pettitte is receiving? What does it look like? What should it look like? Who, in a similar situation, has not received such a pass?

Jun 01, 2010 11:00 AM
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BP staff member Will Carroll
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Pettitte is an admitted hGH user. Compare his treatment to even Giambi.

Jun 01, 2010 11:19 AM
 
acmcdowell

Do you think it is a double standard for hitters versus pitchers? I can't recall any outrage about Edinson Volquez, except for the fact that he wasn't really being punished. Or do you think it just boils down to players who are still successful right now? Although it was a huge deal last year, you hardly hear anything about A-Rod's PED use now.

Jun 01, 2010 13:07 PM
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krissbeth

It may have to do with Hall of Fame possibility, although Giambi's not really a candidate, Palmiero, McGwire, Bonds, ARod...

Jun 01, 2010 13:31 PM
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OTSgamer

It seems to me like hitters do get a bigger backlash. I think the casual fan / observer just tends to have bigger problems with the perception of muscled-up, 'roid-fueled sluggers launching homers like it's batting practice.

Aside from Clemens -- and honestly as big of a jerk as he has been, it's no surprise people have taken it hard on him -- I really cannot recall any other pitchers who have generated anywhere near the vitriol that a hitter has for testing positive to / admitting usage of PEDs.

Jun 01, 2010 13:57 PM
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acmcdowell

Clemens too, for that matter. Clemens' PED woes are mostly self inflicted, for being so self righteous about it (without addressing the question whether he used or not, if I were falsely accused I'd be pretty upset and would respond similarly). But there really isn't any difference between how Giambi handled the whole mess (apologizing, but not saying what for) and how Pettitte did. The only difference is Pettitte could be direct about it, since he knew a suspension wasn't going to come down from Bud.

Jun 01, 2010 13:59 PM
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BP staff member Will Carroll
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No, I think it's who the media/gen pop want to hit for it and ignore the rest. Used to think it was big name/small name.

Jun 01, 2010 14:04 PM
 
edanddom

Hi Will - good stuff as always. This one falls onto the "hurt" vs "injured" fence, but have you heard any rumblings about Wandy Rodriguez since his early season back spasms and shoulder problems? Some physical problem seems to be the only plausible explanation for his performance decline. While his ERD is zero, the real cost to the Astros is out on the field. At some point it would seem that a minor leaguer ought to be called up to displace him for a 15 day evaluation, because it seems masochistic to continue sending him out there and getting pummeled.

Jun 01, 2010 11:18 AM
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mblthd

Any idea re: ERD for Ryan Hanigan?

Jun 01, 2010 13:14 PM
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mblthd

Whoops - I just saw that you covered it in yesterday's update. Thanks!!

Jun 01, 2010 13:15 PM
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J Scott

I'd be happy to compare Giambi's "treatment" to that of Pettitte if you (Will) would tell me what you think Giambi's treatment consisted of. First, treatment by whom? Media? Fans? Teammates? Who are we talking about? I'm a Yankees fan, living in NY, and Giambi's treatment from fans and teammates seemed to change not at all. He remained extremely popular in the clubhouse and his popularity amongst the fans waxed and waned with his on-the-field performance (as per usual). His treatment from the "beat" guys seemed a trifle more reserved, but nothing dramatic.

Really, I still don't see a point here.

Jun 01, 2010 13:36 PM
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jberkon

Hey Will,

I posted this on the last injury update, but it might have gotten lost in the pack.

I was wondering if there were any updates on the Padres' youngsters - Kyle Blanks and Everth Cabrera?

Last thing I heard about Cabrera was that he slightly re-torn his hamstring. Is there any timetable for his return--same with Blanks?

Jun 01, 2010 13:45 PM
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BP staff member Will Carroll
BP staff

If I had something more than what's out there, it'd be in my column.

Jun 01, 2010 14:05 PM
 
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