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September 22, 2009

Checking the Numbers

Perceived Velocity

by Eric Seidman

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Few pitchers utilize their fastballs more frequently than J.A. Happ of the Phillies does, as he throws his four-seamed heater 71 percent of the time. Unlike Max Scherzer, who throws his fastball at a similar rate but routinely registers 95+ miles per hour on the gun, Happ averages a relatively modest 89.7 mph with rather pedestrian movement. Despite these facts pointing towards the idea that Happ's chief pitch is thus somewhat average or below, his plate discipline data has trended in the opposite direction: Happ ranks amongst the leaders in zone percentage yet has very low rates of both swings induced and contact made on pitches in the zone, performance characteristics that portend an ability to deceive hitters when coupled with his velocity and movement marks. Unless we accept that Happ's numbers are fluky, something about his delivery is preventing hitters from picking the ball up and reacting in appropriate fashion, whether that's a question of his hiding the ball well, or having a release that's closer to home plate than hitters are accustomed to seeing.

That latter component of possible deceptiveness comes up almost automatically in discussions of what has made Chris Young of the Padres so effective; Young has had no problem retiring hitters despite throwing a fastball with velocity that makes it seem like it's impersonating Jamie Moyer's luke-warm heat. The ideas for why Young can do this revolves around his height and his wingspan, and how he releases pitches much closer to home plate, allotting less time for the hitters to react. Warren Spahn used to say that "Hitting is timing; pitching is upsetting timing," and the shorter reaction time supposedly allowed by Young's long-armed release closer to home plate increases the perception of his fastball's velocity to the hitters. In other words, a radar gun and the PITCHf/x start speed may clock him throwing at 86 mph, yet the hitter actually "sees" a 91 mph pitch. To get a better sense of what's involved, I reached out to Mark Reynolds of the Diamondbacks for his thoughts on the matter:

Some guys hide the ball well. [Dan] Haren does his little pause, Doug [Davis] has his eight-second windup. Pitchers make stuff up because it's their job to deceive us, and we try to hit them. Randy Wolf, Chris Young, those are two that come to mind off the bat. I'm sure there's more. Some guys throw 95 and it looks like 85 because it's straight and you can time them. You've just got to stay back and get your foot down and see them. Wolf throws 88-90, but I don't have very good numbers against him because he is one of those guys who hides the ball and short-arms it.

The final portion of his quote deals with deception, which we will tackle a bit later on this month, but with his confirmation that the theory of perceived velocity is more than just analytical hullabaloo, I set out to find the extent to which pitchers exceed or fall short of their real velocity based on the length of their deliveries and the actual points of release relative to home plate.

Applying PITCHf/x to the Chris Young Conundrum

The PITCHf/x system continues to revolutionize baseball research, and since my foray into perceived velocity is reliant upon this particular dataset, a brief review of how everything operates is in order. Essentially, PITCHf/x uses a best-fit algorithm to compute constant acceleration along the flight path of a pitch, which is determined by two perpendicularly angled cameras recording images of the journey of a pitch to home plate. With constant acceleration computed based on the image data, the system is able to calculate velocity in feet per second as well as both of the movement components.

Both the PFX_X and PFX_Z-the horizontal and vertical components of movement, respectively-are measured 40 feet from home plate, while the velocity is measured 50 feet away, a critical piece of information for this article, as not every pitcher releases the ball at that exact spot. The images below, courtesy of Sportvision itself, offer a better sense of how the system functions. The first image shows a sample of where the two cameras would be placed and their lines of positioning from afar:

 

Tracking Cameras

 

This next image shows the lines of positioning from the much closer view of behind the plate:

 

Lines

 

The system is shooting a laser from each camera to the perceived image of the ball. The two-dimensional points that result are the assumed screen positions of the ball. The software then takes these images from both of the tracking cameras and uses the camera registration and some tricky math to fit these two-dimensional points into a three-dimensional trajectory. The final image shows the system in action in an actual game setting:

 

Action!

 

From this angle we can see both home plate and the pitcher's windup, which comes in handy when trying to quantify something not currently extractable from the dataset. Now that we have the idea in mind and an understanding of how the system tracks pitches, the task at hand involves gauging where the pitcher actually released the ball and substituting that data for the automated 50 feet results. Thankfully, Greg Moore of Sportvision was kind enough to send me actual game videos for this study, offering assistance at every corner, in part out of his active interest in my findings.

Determining Actual Release Points

When initially developing this idea, determining the actual release points seemed like a daunting task. Some geometry and photogrammetry would be required to calculate field distance from a picture, and common ground would need to be abundant to make an accurate scale. While in Pittsburgh at our PNC ballpark event a couple of weekends ago, Will Carroll and I discussed a way of scaling the mound based on the knowledge that all rubbers are 60'6" from home plate and the suspicion that mound circumferences were uniform across the league. If so, the distance from rubber to the edge of the mound could be determined, affording the opportunity to scale our area of interest.

After consulting Matt Thomas, a photogrammetry expert, much of my excitement dissipated. The potential for angle errors and mound-height discrepancies would prevent accurate scaling of the field, which in turn would preclude us from measuring the exact distance from release to home. However, before even attempting to circumvent these issues I reached an epiphany-velocity equals distance traveled divided by the time it took to travel that distance. My focus had been spent on measuring distance this entire time, when the more feasible methodology centered on accounting for time. With the videos provided, I could literally count frames, use the appropriate frame rate and determine the amount of time a pitch took from release to home relative to the projected time set from 50 feet away.

Drawing on my experiences as an undergraduate film student, I loaded a sample video into a film-editing program, placed the clip onto the timeline, and noted the frames at which the pitch was released as well as when it crossed home plate. According to Moore, the PITCHf/x system records at a 29.99 frame rate, so dividing the total number of frames between Point A and Point B by 29.99 produces the actual flight time of the pitch. Now, one thing to keep in mind is that the editing program does not measure partial frames, so I used my best judgment in certain cases of determining when the actual pitch was released. In some cases, the pitch appeared to be released between frames five and six, venturing closer to the latter; in situations like that I may have jotted down the start frame as 5.7 frames.

After formulating the idea I consulted with Dr. Alan Nathan, and soon became able to take attributes actually recorded by PITCHf/x for a certain pitch as well as my new flight time, and calculate new initial and average outputs based on the change in flight time from projected to actual. We'll run through an example to explain how things worked a bit more efficiently.

Chris Young Under the Microscope

The data below belongs to a Chris Young fastball thrown against the Angels on June 14, 2009:


  x0   y0   z0   vx0    vy0    vz0   ax     ay     az
-0.77  50  6.63 1.05 -123.23  -7.1 -4.13  25.12  -12.43

x0, y0, z0: the release point in three dimensions; PITCHf/x always sets y0=50 feet.
vx0, vy0, vz0: the feet per second velocity in three dimensions as measured 50 feet away.
ax, ay, az: acceleration in feet per second squared, a constant.

The first step involves converting the feet-per-second velocity figures into miles per hour, which can be accomplished by summing the squares of vx0, vy0 and vz0, taking the root and dividing by 1.467, the conversion rate of feet per second to miles per hour. In this case, Young threw the pitch with an initial start speed of 84.1 miles per hour and an initial average velocity of 80.7 miles per hour. Average velocity looms quite large in this study because, as counterintuitive as it may sound, hitters are not seeing the start speed. Instead, if the idea of perceived and effective velocities-the latter of which we will discuss throughout the remainder of the year-were fictitious, the hitter would see the average velocity, which is the total distance divided by the total time. Back to the scorecard, we converted the three velocity components into Young's original start speed as well as his original average velocity.

Were we interested in modifying the actual starting distance, the next step involves calculating the new start speed in the y-dimension; however, since our focus deals with time, the y0 of 50 feet remains valid, meaning that initial start speed equals new start speed in the y-dimension, or vy0=vy1. Next, calculate the vyF, or the end speed in feet per second of the y-dimension. The vyF can be found through the following formula:

vyF = -(SQRT(vy0^2+2*ay*(1.417-y0)))

Reverting to Young's sample data, the vyF equals -112.70. Calculating end velocity and relating it to the starting speed from the y-dimension allows for the calculation of original flight time, which is found by subtracting vyF from vy0 and dividing by the y-acceleration component; the formula produces 0.4119 seconds for the sample pitch, meaning that the pitch traveled for 0.4119 seconds based on the standard PITCHf/x output.

The subsequent step involves actually counting the frames. Carefully using the direction arrows I found that Young released the ball slightly before the fifth frame, crossing the plate at exactly the 16th frame. Subtracting 4.8 from 16 and dividing by the 29.99 frame rate results in an actual flight time of 0.3734 seconds. Essentially, by measuring Young's pitch from 50 feet away, the PITCHf/x system overstated his flight time by 0.0384 seconds, because Young releases the ball closer than 50 feet from home plate.

By subtracting 1.417 feet-the front of home plate-from 50 feet and dividing the difference by the actual flight time of 0.3734 seconds, further dividing that quotient by the 1.467 conversion rate we can produce the perceived average velocity of Young's pitch. The perceived average velocity comes out to 88.7 miles per hour, but this does not mean that hitters saw an 88.7 mph pitch compared to the recorded 84.1 mph, as the comparison is apples to oranges between the start speed and average velocity. Since the idea of average velocity likely feels weird, a short-hand for turning the perceived average velocity into the perceived initial velocity involves finding the delta between the originally reported values-the 84.1 mph and 80.7 mph average velocity, a delta of 3.4 mph-and adding that to the new perceived average velocity. For this specific pitch from Young, the perceived average velocity of 88.7 mph is added to the 3.4 mph delta to produce a perceived initial velocity of 92.1 mph.

Based on Young's size, stride, and release of the ball closer to home plate-which should be a clue that there are other factors potentially at work here capable of affecting the perceived velocity, all of which we will explore later on this year-the opposing hitter, Torii Hunter in this instance, saw a 92.1 mph pitch no matter what the radar gun speculated. Even if we adjust the frame count to counteract any sort of measurement error on my part, the fact remains that Chris Young threw this pitch with at least six more miles per hour of perceived velocity.

Plugging In Other Pitchers

Greg Moore sent me four games of data and videos, allowing for a diverse sample. I specifically requested games with both Young and Happ, but figured it would be interesting to run someone like Justin Verlander through the gauntlet as well. Taking five fastballs from nine different pitchers in the various games, the table below shows the averages in initial start and average velocity, perceived start and average velocity, and the delta between the perceived and initial start speeds.


Pitcher                V_IN   V_AVG   PV_IN   PV_AVG  DELTA
Chris Young            84.4    80.9    91.1    87.6    6.7
Heath Bell             92.6    88.7    97.7    93.9    5.2
Francisco Rodriguez    93.6    89.9    95.4    91.6    1.8
David Aardsma          94.6    91.0    96.0    92.4    1.4
Justin Verlander       96.1    92.5    95.6    92.0   -0.5
Johan Santana          90.9    87.2    89.9    86.2   -1.0
JA Happ                89.9    86.3    88.4    84.8   -1.5
Johnny Cueto           92.9    89.3    90.8    87.2   -2.1
Ian Snell              91.7    88.1    87.6    84.0   -4.1

According to these results, the theory on Young seems to ring true-on average he threw these five fastballs with a perceived velocity of 6.7 mph greater than what the PITCHf/x measured at 50 feet, a figure that correlates strongly to radar gun reports. Meanwhile, we struck out on Happ, as his five pitches averaged a real velocity of 89.9 mph that bested the perception by 1.5 mph. This does not necessarily indicate that Happ lacks deception or that his numbers are fraudulent, because there are a few aspects of perceived velocity left alone for the time being that will be discussed in a few weeks.

Two of the nine pitchers, both of whom are ironically members of the same team, really exceeded their recorded velocity, with Young and Heath Bell each averaging perceived velocities 5 mph or more better than recorded. On the flipside, Ian Snell averaged a recorded velocity of 91.7 mph, but based on the flight time of the pitch and the distance it actually traveled, the hitters saw 87.6 mph deliveries, which goes hand-in-hand with Mark Reynolds' suggestion that some pitchers throw slower than their gun readings. Truly interesting is the comparison between Justin Verlander and Francisco Rodriguez: Verlander averaged 96.1 mph to the 93.6 of Rodriguez, yet their perceived velocities were 95.6 mph and 95.4 mph respectively, a rather minuscule difference that goes a long way towards showing that two pitchers with a somewhat substantial difference in real velocity can create the same perception to the opposition based on their deliveries.

Moving Forward

Knowing the time from release to plate, or the actual spot at which the pitch left the pitcher's hand is incredibly valuable information. This study should serve as a stepping stone for the future in terms of what type of data could be available, because the radar gun velocity or start speed measured at 50 feet by PITCHf/x does not tell the entire story. There are several very real and scientifically proven factors that affect the perception of velocity to the hitter, making someone like Randy Wolf and his 91 mph fastball incredibly tough for Mark Reynolds, while Ian Snell becomes easier to time for one reason or another. Additionally, pitchers with divergent real velocities can converge on perceived velocity.

Today the exploration involved the first of the factors which affect the perception of velocity-the actual flight time as determined by the actual point of release. Next week we'll look at how the location of the pitch affects the perception of velocity in conjunction to the data presented in this piece. Following that, I'll eventually shift to a discussion of what is known as the hitter's 'attention zone, 'and how the perceived velocity measured here, the added or subtracted velocity based on the location of the pitch, and the preceding sequence of pitches all play into the batter/pitcher matchup, as well as which pitchers have truly maximized their efficiency based on these ideas of perception and setting up the hitters. For now, though, we can at least take away that Chris Young definitely throws harder than it looks from the stands, which at least partially explains how a non-Moyer can post very solid numbers with a very Moyer-like substandard four-seam fastball.

Eric Seidman is an author of Baseball Prospectus. 
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stinkypete

Boy would I love to know what a fastball from Randy Johnson in his prime looked like in this context...

Sep 22, 2009 10:24 AM
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BP staff member Eric Seidman
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That is the very first thought that came to mind. If he was throwing 98-99 and was THAT long, sheesh, it could have looked 102-103.

Sep 22, 2009 11:48 AM
 
CRP13

Wow, great article Eric

Sep 22, 2009 10:43 AM
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newsense

Isn't the assumption being made that every batter begins to "pick up" the ball at the moment when it leaves any pitcher's hand (or a fixed small fraction of a second before or after)? It strikes me that this could vary among pitchers and batters as would the "perceived" velocities.

Sep 22, 2009 11:14 AM
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BP staff member Eric Seidman
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Newsense,

Something I'll be discussing a bit down the road is where the hitters pick the ball up and how that works for pitchers in terms of deceptiveness.

Sep 22, 2009 11:49 AM
 
newsense

Great!
I suspect platoon splits play a role.

Sep 22, 2009 13:28 PM
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Dave Holgado

Great stuff, Eric. Glad to see some follow up on this issue after KG's post from the other week re velocity. And I'd love to see how this data shakes out on a pitcher like Tim Lincecum. Presumably his long stride compensates for his diminutive height and results in what might even be a closer (to home)-than-average release point, which -- when added to his already well above average radar gun readings -- goes far to explain his dominance.

Sep 22, 2009 11:27 AM
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BP staff member Will Carroll
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Agree -- I'd love to see similar breakdowns as what KG did for percieved velocity, but (and I'll admit to knowing more about what's coming ...) only after all the factors are figured in. I'll try to be patient.

Sep 22, 2009 11:39 AM
 
alangreene

Heath Hell has a huge add? He's not short but he's not CY. Is it something specific to him or is the Padres' mound somehow factoring in?

Sep 22, 2009 12:28 PM
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wonkothesane1

This is completely a guess that comes from watching Heath Bell pitch a lot. I think he may "jump" as he throws and gets a little closer to home plate that way.

Sep 22, 2009 12:47 PM
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BP staff member Eric Seidman
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Exactly my thoughts. He has a huge downward, jumpy windup that may allow him to release closer to home plate and allow for less flight time.

Sep 22, 2009 12:56 PM
 
archilochusColubris

This is a really excellent finding, but somewhat disheartening given how much case-by-case work needs to be put in to calculate these values. It seems like perceived velocities might provide better correlations with observed results.

Now if only PitchF/X would grab this release data as well...

Sep 22, 2009 13:02 PM
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BP staff member Eric Seidman
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If we all get on them it just might happen! Haha, but seriously, it's something I discussed with them, and it is DEFINITELY very useful to teams, so it might take some time but it could be in the cards. Those guys can do anything.

Sep 22, 2009 14:43 PM
 
oPlaiD

I'm sure there are lots of teams who are already doing similar research. If they are not then they better be getting on the wagon, since this makes a HUGE difference in player evaluation.

Doesn't make sense to draft a guy with a 95 MPH fastball if it only plays at 89MPH or something, especially if you can grab some guy throwing 90 that plays up to 95.

I'm interested to see what the further stuff you guys are doing is since a guy like Happ clearly has a higher perceived velocity and that was not apparent in this study.

I would love to see league-wide data for this once it gets to a reliable point for most pitchers...

Sep 22, 2009 17:28 PM
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BP staff member Eric Seidman
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The issue with Happ as presented here just means that the plane he creates when pitching and his actual release point makes the pitch look very slightly slower. There are other ways to increase the perception of velocity, which we will get into in the coming weeks. Next week we'll look at location, and soon thereafter how deception in the release of a pitch plays in. I'm personally not willing to accept that all of Happ's success is fluky, when he seems to be deceiving hitters somehow.

Sep 22, 2009 19:46 PM
 
oPlaiD

I'm not sure if you are familiar with the Phuture Phillies blog of Phillie prospect Michael Schwimer, but apparently he's interested in perceived velocity and somehow measures Happs as 94-96mph:

http://phuturephillies.com/2009/07/28/baseballs-tradition-a-love-hate-relationship/

Anyway, as I said before, I can't wait to read the future entries on this subject. It's certainly a difficult one to tackle as there are so many factors that go into it and most of them are very tough to quantitatively measure.

Sep 23, 2009 20:52 PM
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BP staff member Eric Seidman
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I e-mailed Schwimer when I began my research but never heard back. No way Happ is 94-96 though. Location doesn't add that much. What Happ MAY be doing though is hiding the ball from view for a longer period of timing so the batters cannot track it, and he might release his pitches from the same plane, in addition to utilizing location, but I cannot see that getting him higher than maybe 92-93, especially based on the results I found here.

Sep 23, 2009 21:06 PM
 
fireorlime

Eric Seidman for baseball czar!

Sep 22, 2009 13:19 PM
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Richard Bergstrom

Will pitcher height being factored in? A 91mph from a tall pitcher like Chris Young should have a sharper downward plane than a shorter pitcher, making their pitches "appear" more flat.

Sep 22, 2009 17:45 PM
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BP staff member Eric Seidman
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Just found one slight issue - the Padres game I was given was a bit off that day as all of the Padres and Angels pitchers had lower velocities on average than their seasonal lines. If all of them did, then it leads me to believe that Young and Bell still posted their quoted perceived velocities but that the deltas should go from 6.7 and 5.2 to more like 3.7 and 2.2, which makes a bit more sense. All of the other pitchers results stand.

Sep 22, 2009 21:20 PM
 
JoshC77

Have you looked at data from pitchers throwing from the windup vs. the stretch? Could there be differences in the release point that could explain some anomalies (such as why some pitchers seem to perform better with runners on)?

Sep 23, 2009 05:37 AM
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BP staff member Eric Seidman
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Josh, that is the sort of thing to look at down the road. Right now the focus is more on the perceived velocity itself.

Sep 23, 2009 06:19 AM
 
edanddom

Great article. I imagine that the next level of this, with the "attention zone" of the hitter, will be affected by whether a hitter is a pull hitter or can send balls to the opposite field. Ultimately, seeing the matchup of perceived velocity versus attention zone becomes a scalpel for a field manager seeking to optimize his lineup, compared to the butterknife that is the Lefty/Righty splits that exist today.

Sep 23, 2009 07:48 AM
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BP staff member Eric Seidman
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Everything you guys are mentioning is stuff I'm interested in exploring down the road, data and feasibility permitting, but we're starting slow and working our way up. When we get into the attention zone it's going to be more of an explanation of handling pitches and the game theory of batters and pitchers. Then perhaps getting into the more advanced aspects like platoon splits and perception and type of hitter vs. attention zone.

Sep 23, 2009 07:54 AM
 
thegeneral13

I would much rather see a slow but throroughly researched study of these issues where there is some truly valuable insight than a rapid fire series of articles with flawed analysis that invalidates the conclusions. In other words, please, I'm begging you, stick with your plan even if it takes a while! This article was excellent.

Sep 23, 2009 15:23 PM
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BP staff member Eric Seidman
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I'm planning on continuing this line of research throughout the rest of the year. Quality over quantity. I have enough other interesting things to research in between if they take longer than anticipated, but there will certainly be something on this next week, and most likely another the week after.

Sep 23, 2009 19:10 PM
 
Michael
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Tremendous research, Eric.

Does something like runs per 100 fastballs correlate better with perceived velocity instead of the Pitch F/X measured velocity? It's probably impossible to say given just 9 pitchers, but it might be worth a peak just to encourage you to measure more pitchers.

It doesn't sound like just using height as a proxy for explaining the difference between actual and perceived velocity will work. Any idea why the 6'5" Verlander has a negative difference between perceived and actual velocity given that he's taller than average?

Sep 23, 2009 08:48 AM
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yankee

Define "Fastball", i.e. two seam,cross-seam.etc .
Paul

Sep 23, 2009 10:16 AM
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Bob Horton

I agree that this is tremedous, Eric.

As the data collection burden for this project is huge, I wonder if it might be worth the effort to see if a shorthand proxy might be available. Intuitively, it would seem that having two pieces of data, length of stride and arm length (sleeve length) might correlate well to the data. Just a thought.

Sep 23, 2009 10:19 AM
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Patrick Ferrington

What would be fun someday - is to backtrack and see if we can figure out any teams that are doing something like this. We know teams have private research. We also know that some teams are much better than others at finding effective relievers off the 'scrapheap' what would be intresting to know is if there a pitching staff out there that scores consistently better on these number.

It could be random chance, could be they have been doing this arleady...

Sep 23, 2009 10:23 AM
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Mike Fast

Eric, I wonder if something went wrong in your calculations. By looking at still images, I find that most pitchers, Chris Young included, release the ball roughly in line with their plant foot. A pitcher's stride length is typically about his height or a little less.

In the case of Chris Young, his stride is possibly a little longer than his height, but not much. Take 60.5 feet and subtract 7 feet, and you get a release point around y=53 feet for Chris Young and more like y=55 feet for the typical pitcher. I don't think it's physically possible for Young to be releasing the ball inside of y=50 feet.

Sep 23, 2009 13:05 PM
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BP staff member Eric Seidman
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Mike, as I mentioned a few comments above, the data was off for the game I was sent of the Padres, so when I get the new video I'm going to compare. That entire Angels-Padres series was off by 1-3 mph for each pitcher. The calculations are also bound to experience some error in frame counting, which could mean Young was throwing 86 with a perceived 89-90, but not enough of an error would exist to bring it all the way down to the 85-86 he actually threw. Same goes for Bell. The others all checked out.

Sep 23, 2009 13:43 PM
 
BP staff member Eric Seidman
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And as a further aside, it might not be the distance that is important. I agree nobody is releasing inside of 50 feet, but rather that the plane of his delivery decreases the time to plate... not necessarily the straight y-distance from release to home, but the plane of the release.

Sep 23, 2009 13:48 PM
 
BP staff member Eric Seidman
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According to Dr. Nathan, the plane has less to do with it than I thought. So the likely issue with Young deals with the system being off for that series, and the new results from his games will be used in further studies on here. It'll likely produce a delta of 3-3.5 mph instead of 6. However, as we'll discss next week, location could make it appear +6 mph.

From Dr. Nathan:

"I used to do a simple demo for my introductory courses. I would fire a steel marble horizontally from the top of a table. Simultaneously, I would release another steel marble from the same height with zero velocity. The two marbles hit the floor at the same time. In both cases, the initial vertical velocity was the same (0) and the height
above the floor was the same. They experienced exactly the same motion y(t) in the vertical direction."

Sep 23, 2009 19:32 PM
 
rweiler

One guy I'd really like to see the data broken down for is Jonathan Sanchez. According to the radar gun, he is throwing in the low nineties, 91-93 depending on the gun. He gets an awful lot of swing throughs, especially for a guy that has difficulty with command on his breaking ball. On TV at least, his 91 looks a lot harder then other guys that throw the same speed on the gun.

Sep 24, 2009 16:43 PM
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