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February 22, 2009

Future Shock

Yankees Top 11 Prospects

by Kevin Goldstein

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top 11 prospects

NEW YORK YANKEES
Team Audit | DT Cards | PECOTA Cards | Depth Chart

Five-Star Prospects
1. Jesus Montero, C
2. Austin Jackson, CF
Three-Star Prospects
3. Dellin Betances, RHP
4. Austin Romine, C
5. Arodys Vizcaino, RHP
6. Andrew Brackman, RHP
7. Jeremy Bleich, LHP
8. Alfredo Aceves, RHP
9. Zach McAllister, RHP
10. Phil Coke, LHP
11. Mark Melancon, RHP

Just Missed: Brad Suttle, 3B; Kelvin De Leon, RF; Wilkins De La Rosa, LHP

Ranking Challenges: It's a very tough system to rank from top to bottom. Montero comes with positional questions, Brackman has a high ceiling combined with a plethora of negatives, and there are a lot of young, high-ceiling prospects and older, low-ceiling types.

1. Jesus Montero, C
DOB: 11/28/89
Height/Weight: 6-4/225
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Signed: Venezuela, 2006
2008 Stats: .326/.376/.491, .261 EqA at Low-A (132 G)
Last Year's Ranking: 7

Year in Review: This well-regarded international signee nearly won the Sally League batting title as an 18-year-old in his full-season debut last year.
The Good: Montero's bat falls into a special category. He has plus-plus raw power that he's learning to unleash in games, but he's first and foremost a hitter with a quick bat, tremendous plate coverage, and no weaknesses in terms of any pitch type or location. His plate discipline improved throughout the year and he began to drive the ball more, leading to a .344/.407/.534 batting line after the All-Star break.
The Bad: Montero improved by leaps and bounds on defense in 2008, but as one scout put it, "that means he went from embarrassing to just plain bad behind the plate." He's big and sluggish, has problems blocking the ball, his arm is below average, and he has little carry on his throws.
Fun Fact: He's so young that night games may have kept him up past his bedtime, forcing him to play tired and dragging down his stat line; in 19 daytime contests last year, he hit .421/470/.711.
Perfect World Projection: He'll become a middle-of-the-order run producer, but it will be as a first baseman.
Glass Half Empty: There's little doubt that he's going to hit; the question is how much value will he have at the game's most demanding offensive position.
Path to the Big Leagues: If he could stick at catcher, it would be wide open, but the Mark Teixeira signing confuses things in the long term.
Timetable: Montero will remain a catcher for now in hopes that he'll figure it out, and also to keep his trade value maximized. He'll be one of the youngest regulars in the Florida State League in 2009 at High-A Tampa.

2. Austin Jackson, CF
DOB: 2/1/87
Height/Weight: 6-1/185
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Signed: 8th round, 2005, Ryan HS (TX)
2008 Stats: .285/.354/.419, .255 EqA at Double-A (131 G)
Last Year's Ranking: 3

Year in Review: He's an athletic center fielder who last year failed to build on the previous year's breakout.
The Good: Jackson's tools rate as average or better across the board. He works the count well, has enough power to hit 15-18 home runs annually, and the speed to play a solid center field while stealing 20-25 bases a year. He earns raves for his makeup, effort, and competitiveness.
The Bad: Jackson is one of those players who is greater than the sum of his parts, and he doesn't really have any one overwhelming tool. He's already lost some speed since signing and lacks the bat for a corner, so he can't afford to lose more.
Fun Fact: Jackson was one of the best point guards in the county at Ryan High, and he committed to Georgia Tech, where in his freshman year he would have competed against fellow Yankee prospect Andrew Brackman, who was a center at North Carolina State.
Perfect World Projection: He'll be an above-average center fielder who fits best batting second in a big-league lineup.
Glass Half Empty: More of an average outfielder on a second-division team, or a very good fourth outfielder on a first-division team.
Path to the Big Leagues: Melky Cabrera and Brett Gardner are just placeholders at best.
Timetable: Jackson will begin the year at Triple-A, but a combination of his performance and those of Cabrera and Gardner should get him into the big leagues at some point during 2009.

3. Dellin Betances, RHP
DOB: 3/23/88
Height/Weight: 6-8/245
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Signed: 8th round, 2006, HS for Enterprise, Business, and Technology (NY)
2008 Stats: 8.53 ERA at Rookie-level (6.1-13-3-6); 3.67 ERA at Low-A (115.1-87-59-135), 7.42 DERA
Last Year's Ranking: 6

Year in Review: When he pitched, he was often dominating, but this high-ceiling pitcher had trouble staying healthy once again.
The Good: Betances combines youth, projection, and present power stuff. His fastball sits at 92-95 mph and touches 98, and his power curveball already ranks as a plus pitch. Yankees coaches made progress smoothing out his delivery, which led to improved command during the second half of the season.
The Bad: His mechanics remain complex, with a lot of arms and legs flying around which create deception, but also control issues due to a highly inconsistent release point. Some also point to his arm action leading to what have been constant injuries since turning pro, including shoulder, forearm, and elbow problems. His changeup is well below average.
Fun Fact: Betances had a strange reverse-righty split in 2008, as Sally League left-handers hit just .165/.297/.267 against him while striking out once every three at-bats.
Perfect World Projection: He's a future number two starter with ace potential.
Glass Half Empty: If he can't stay healthy, a move to the bullpen could be inevitable.
Path to the Big Leagues: Power arms always tend to find their way, but right now, he just needs to stay healthy for a full year.
Timetable: Betances' second half provided cause for optimism, and many think he could be poised for a breakout in 2009 at High-A Tampa.

4. Austin Romine, C
DOB: 11/22/88
Height/Weight: 6-2/210
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Signed: 2nd round, 2007, El Toro HS (CA)
2008 Stats: .300/.344/.437, .234 EqA at Low-A (104 G)
Last Year's Ranking: Not Ranked

Year in Review: The young catcher left a strong impression on scouts while sharing duties with Montero at Low-A last season.
The Good: Romine provides above-average potential both at the plate and behind it. He's an adept hitter with a knack for contact, and he hints at the potential to hit for average big-league power. He's athletic behind the plate and features a quick, accurate arm.
The Bad: He needs to refine his approach at the plate; he goes up looking to hit as opposed to looking for pitches to drive. He has all of the tools to be a very good defender, but still needs to improve his footwork behind the plate and the accuracy of his throws.
Fun Fact: His brother Andrew was being tabbed as the Angels' sleeper prospect when he was made a fifth-round pick in the same year that Austin was selected. Their father Kevin Romine can always hold up the fact that he was drafted higher than either of his sons, as he was the 29th overall pick when selected by Boston in 1982.
Perfect World Projection: Romine could become an above-average everyday catcher in the big leagues.
Glass Half Empty: He may be just a backup.
Path to the Big Leagues: Romine has a far better chance of sticking at catcher than Montero, and should be seen as the catcher of the future.
Timetable: He'll continue playing in the shadow of Montero at High-A Tampa, but his all-around skills could be part of what eventually pushes Montero off of the position.

5. Arodys Vizcaino, RHP
DOB: 11/13/90
Height/Weight: 6-0/189
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Signed: Dominican Republic, 2007
2008 Stats: 3.68 ERA at Rookie-level (44-38-13-48)
Last Year's Ranking: Not Ranked

Year in Review: The Dominican pitcher wowed scouts in his pro debut in 2008 with a combination of polish and high-level stuff.
The Good: He has a smallish frame and two plus power pitches, and one scout couldn't help but compare Vizcaino to a right-handed version of Scott Kazmir. He features a 92-94 mph fastball that touches 96, and his command of the pitch is very impressive for a teenager. His hard, biting curveball also rates as plus, and he has the confidence to throw it at any point in the count.
The Bad: Vizcaino's changeup is rudimentary, which is common in young Latin American hurlers. He often works up in the zone, leading to fly-ball tendencies. His frame doesn't offer the kind of projection that many young arms provide, but his stuff is exceptional right now.
Fun Fact: Of the five home runs hit against Vizcaino in 2008, four came off the bats of Blue Jays prospects.
Perfect World Projection: He's going to be a very good starter.
Glass Half Empty: The body can't hold up to a 200-inning workload, and he moves to the pen.
Path to the Big Leagues: He's 18 years old and has only pitched in the complex leagues, so let's not worry about that yet.
Timetable: Vizcaino will have an opportunity this spring to prove that he's ready for a full-season assignment to Low-A Charleston.

6. Andrew Brackman, RHP
DOB: 12/4/85
Height/Weight: 6-10/270
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Signed: 1st round, 2007, North Carolina State University
2008 Stats: None
Last Year's Ranking: 8

Year in Review: This 2007 first-round pick missed all of 2008 recovering from Tommy John surgery before pitching in the Hawaii Winter League.
The Good: Brackman's ceiling is considerably high. His fastball sits at 92-95 mph, touches 98-99, and plays up because of his height and his arm length, which adds a significant downward plane to the pitch. His power curve features late, explosive break, and he's an excellent athlete for his size.
The Bad: Despite that considerable ceiling, Brackman comes with more red flags than a Chinese army parade. He's 23 years old and has yet to pitch a professional inning in the regular season, while the elbow surgery and a previous commitment to basketball have limited him to less than 200 total innings over the past four years. Despite his size and stuff, he has no track record of dominance since high school, and his control has always been a significant issue, one in which he showed little progress while walking 25 in 34 Hawaii Winter League innings.
Fun Fact: In high school, Brackman was a two-sport standout at historic Moeller High in Cincinnati, the same school that graduated Ken Griffey, Barry Larkin, and Buddy Bell.
Perfect World Projection: Brackman's ceiling is as high, if not higher, than that of anyone in the system. He truly has ace potential.
Glass Half Empty: He has so many things to overcome that his chances of reaching that ceiling are slight.
Path to the Big Leagues: Who knows? He's yet to pitch an inning that counts.
Timetable: Brackman will begin the year at High-A Tampa, where he can pitch in warm weather while under the watchful eyes of the team's player development staff, which works out of their spring training office. The hope is that he makes enough progress to reach Double-A at some point during the season.

7. Jeremy Bleich, LHP
DOB: 6/18/87
Height/Weight: 6-2/195
Bats/Throws: L/L
Drafted/Signed: 1st round, 2008, Stanford University
2008 Stats: 6.00 ERA at Short-season (3-2-0-4)
Last Year's Ranking: N/A

Year in Review: He's a product of Stanford who was rocketing up the draft charts before a mid-season elbow injury dropped his stock.
The Good: Some West Coast scouts think that a healthy Bleich would have been one of the top 20 picks in last year's draft. He's a highly polished talent who pounds the strike zone with an average-velocity fastball that he uses to set up two quality secondary offerings, as his curveball and changeup both rate as plus. He has great poise and intelligence, knows how to mix his pitches well, and could move quickly.
The Bad: He's not exactly overpowering, and it remains to be seen how well his style of pitching will work at the upper levels. His value lies more in certainty than upside, as he doesn't project to become much better than he is now.
Fun Fact: Bleich graduated from The Isidore Newman School, a private high school in New Orleans, whose alumni include football's Manning brothers and Moneyball author Michael Lewis. On Bleich's Stanford bio, he lists Moneyball as his favorite book.
Perfect World Projection: He'll be a solid third or fourth starter.
Glass Half Empty: He may be more of a back-end rotation piece, or possibly a reliever.
Path to the Big Leagues: The Yankees' rotation is loaded, but teams rarely stay set with the same five starters for very long.
Timetable: Bleich will likely join Brackman at High-A Tampa to begin the year.

8. Alfredo Aceves, RHP
DOB: 12/8/82
Height/Weight: 6-3/220
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Signed: Mexico, 2008
2008 Stats: 2.11 ERA at High-A (47-32-8-37), 4.40 DERA; 1.80 ERA at Double-A (50-37-6-35), 3.20 DERA; 4.12 ERA at Triple-A (43.2-42-13-42), 5.44 DERA; 2.40 ERA at MLB (30-25-10-16), 1.23 DERA
Last Year's Ranking: N/A

Year in Review: Signed out of Mexico, this finesse right-hander was the system's most pleasant surprise, advancing from High-A all the way to the big leagues.
The Good: Aceves gives hitters fits by changing speeds, hitting his spots, and mixing in as many as six pitches. His fastball tops out at 92, but he varies his grip and arm action to add sink and run to the pitch while changing the batter's eye level. He throws a good curve and a solid slider, and uses all of his offering to set up a plus changeup with excellent depth and fade.
The Bad: Aceves is labeled by some as a bit of a trick pitcher, and his style offers little margin for error. He doesn't miss many bats, and as a 26-year-old, he's a finished product with no further projection.
Fun Fact: In Aceves' eight Triple-A starts, only one of 26 batters facing him in the first inning reached base.
Perfect World Projection: He'll find a place in the rotation as a back-end innings-eater.
Glass Half Empty: Unless he suddenly regresses for some unforeseen reason, that should be a safe projection.
Path to the Big Leagues: The signings of Sabathia, Burnett, and Pettitte cloud his future for now.
Timetable: Returning Aceves to Triple-A would do little for his development, but that could be his destination come April if he can't win a bullpen job.

9. Zach McAllister, RHP
DOB: 12/8/87
Height/Weight: 6-6/230
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Signed: 3rd round, 2006, Illinois Valley Central HS (IL)
2008 Stats: 2.45 ERA at Low-A (62.1-59-8-53), 6.67 DERA; 1.83 ERA at High-A (88.2-74-13-62), 3.69 DERA
Last Year's Ranking: Not Ranked

Year in Review: McAllister was a raw talent who brought it all together and dominated in his full-season debut, having little trouble keeping runs off of the board at both Low- and High-A.
The Good: Despite a massive frame, McAllister is a strike-throwing, ground-ball pitcher who lives off of a low-90s sinker that is the best in the system. He can run a four-seam fastball up to 93 mph, and he often flashes a nice changeup. His delivery is smooth, and his command is above average.
The Bad: He doesn't blow hitters away, and he needs a good defense behind him. His slider is inconsistent, and he has a tendency to get around on the pitch, which can cause it to sweep across the plate instead of diving.
Fun Fact: McAllister was born and raised in the small town of Chillicothe, Illinois, whose most famous resident might be Henry LeGault, better known as Colonel Decker from the A-Team.
Perfect World Projection: McAllister will be a fourth starter who keeps the ball on the ground, and possibly somewhat better than that...
Glass Half Empty: ...or somewhat worse.
Path to the Big Leagues: It's not a good time to be a young starter in the Yankees' system.
Timetable: McAllister might begin the year back at Tampa in order to take advantage of the weather, but he should move up to Double-A by mid-season or earlier.

10. Phil Coke, LHP
DOB: 7/19/82
Height/Weight: 6-1/210
Bats/Throws: L/L
Drafted/Signed: 26th round, 2002, San Joaquin Delta College
2008 Stats: 2.51 ERA at Double-A (118.1-105-39-115), 4.54 DERA; 4.67 ERA at Triple-A (17.1-19-5-22), 7.16 DERA; 0.61 ERA at MLB (14.2-8-2-14), 0.00 DERA
Last Year's Ranking: Not Ranked

Year in Review: Seen as little more than an organizational arm entering the year, this power lefty got into the best shape of his career, saw the quality of his stuff take a sudden and massive leap forward, and was among the Yankees' best relievers down the stretch.
The Good: Coke's power stuff became all the more valuable because of his left-handedness. Out of the bullpen, he unleashes 92-94 mph fastballs that can touch 96, and features a hard slider that can be a true wipeout offering. Scouts and coaches rave about his makeup, and he wants that ball in clutch situations.
The Bad: His performance was so completely unexpected that there are still some who don't trust it. His stuff works far better in a bullpen role where he can just let it go, and his changeup is below average. He can overthrow and flatten his slider at times, and when he misses with his fastball, he misses up.
Fun Fact: On September 1, 2008, Coke became the first player ever drafted 786th overall to reach the major leagues.
Perfect World Projection: A power bullpen arm who can pitch as late as the eighth inning.
Glass Half Empty: He'll be more of a middle-relief type if the breaking ball doesn't become more consistent.
Path to the Big Leagues: For now, it's solely as a relief pitcher, but that's where he pitches best.
Timetable: Coke will compete for a bullpen role this spring, but he could end up back at Triple-A with the ability to fill in at the big-league level in whatever role is required.

11. Mark Melancon, RHP
DOB: 3/28/85
Height/Weight: 6-2/215
Bats/Throws: R/R
Drafted/Signed: 9th round, 2006, University of Arizona
2008 Stats: 2.84 ERA at High-A (25.1-26-6-20), 4.56 DERA; 1.81 ERA at Double-A (49.2-32-12-47), 4.05 DERA; 2.70 ERA at Triple-A (20-11-4-22), 4.26 DERA
Last Year's Ranking: Not Ranked

Year in Review: After missing nearly all of 2007 recovering from Tommy John surgery, the relief prospect made an impressive return, improved as the season wore on, and put himself on the cusp of the big leagues.
The Good: Melancon has a plus fastball that sits at 92-94 mph with excellent movement, while his somewhat awkward delivery creates deception. His hard curveball grades out as a 60-65 pitch on the 20-80 scouting scale and can make batters look foolish when it's working. He has a closer's mentality, and shows no fear on the mound.
The Bad: Melancon is a reliever only, though his stuff falls short of being closer-worthy. The Tommy John surgery in his past is still cause for concern, as there is still considerable effort in his violent delivery.
Fun Fact: Melancon retired all 17 batters he faced in the seventh inning for Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.
Perfect World Projection: He should be a good set-up man.
Glass Half Empty: He could end up as a middle reliever hampered by arm troubles.
Path to the Big Leagues: The back of the Yankees' bullpen isn't exactly awe-inspiring.
Timetable: Like Coke, Melancon will get a long look this spring, but he could begin the year back in Triple-A to make sure he'll get in consistent innings until he's needed.

The Sleeper: An 18-year-old center fielder signed out of Venezuela, Eduardo Sosa is an absolute burner with a refined approach and gap power whose stateside debut this year is worth keeping an eye on.

Top 10 Talents 25 And Under (as of Opening Day 2009)

1. Joba Chamberlain, RHP
2. Phil Hughes, RHP
3. Jesus Montero, C
4. Austin Jackson, CF
5. Ian Kennedy, RHP
6. Dellin Betances, RHP
7. Austin Romine, C
8. Arodys Vizcaino, RHP
9. Andrew Brackman, RHP
10. Melky Cabrera, CF

Joba's a stud, but let's not pretend that the health isn't a concern. I'm no longer sure what to make of Phil Hughes; one day he dominates and the scouts rave, the next outing his velocity and command disappear and he looks like a shell of his former self. Kennedy dominated in Puerto Rico this past winter, and while that created some optimism, he's already proven that he can get the job done everywhere except the big leagues. I'm not a great believer in Cabrera or Brett Gardner, but Cabrera's bat gives him the edge for the final spot.

Summary: The Yankees' system is trending downward, though they do have a significant number of young, high-ceiling talents that could soon make this list look strong again. They don't have much in the way of coming position players and near-ready prospects, but can't the Yankees just buy those?


Up next: the Oakland Athletics.

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Last year, Will Carroll got to know Phil Coke in an unusual way. Coke has since gone from obscurity to the Yankees' #10 prospect. Hear what changed and more on today's BPR as we check in on the latest Top 11 Prospect List.


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Dan

Love the top 11s. Could you give us the quick and dirty on Kelvin De Leon?

Feb 22, 2009 09:51 AM
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jlefty

yeah, follow up to this...

kelvin was a top 11 last year. what happened for his stock to drop so low (especially considering several guys ahead of him-joba, kennedy, tabata, horne, and ramirez are no longer ranked as yankee prospects)?

Feb 22, 2009 10:19 AM
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BP staff member Kevin Goldstein
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He didn't really drop much at all. You talk about the guys no longer ranked, but as you can so, there were a lot of guys who either stepped up or returned to form. De Leon got some very nice reviews out of the DSL, but there were some concerns about how much swing and miss he has. He made the just missed section, so I still like him quite a bit.

Feb 22, 2009 11:27 AM
 
DGBL

How close was Brett Marshall to making it?

Feb 22, 2009 10:00 AM
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BP staff member Kevin Goldstein
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He'd be in my top 20.

Feb 22, 2009 11:31 AM
 
George

Austin Jackson and Angel Villanova (ranked 46 and 47, respectively) are 5 stars, but Fernando Martinez and Wilin Rosario (ranked 44 and 45, respectively) are 4 stars?

Feb 22, 2009 10:01 AM
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Meddler1

This is exactly what I was going to ask.

Feb 22, 2009 10:58 AM
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BP staff member Kevin Goldstein
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Yeah, you've found an bit of a weakness in the system. Basically, 5-star for me is a top 50 level prospect. Now, until I actually DO a Top 100, that's a bit of a guessing game. I thought they'd rank lower personally, and then when I added it all up there were less 5-star guy than expected, so I'd up Martinez and Rosario.

Feb 22, 2009 11:26 AM
 
Meddler1

Fair enough. I guess the question is then is the back end of the top 50 a little weak this year? Asked another way, is the gap between a guy like Jackson and a guy like Rasmus larger than you'd usually expect in comparing the 2nd best outfield prospect to the 11th best? How about comparing Carrasco to Bumgarner? It almost does seem like the formers in this case should be given a lower "grade" than the latters, giving them all five stars doesn't quite do justice to their respective statuses as prospects.

Feb 22, 2009 15:53 PM
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Alex Nixon

You're going to get a million of these "but what about X" questions, Kevin, and I'm loathe to add to them. However, I'm curious on your thoughts on Jairo Heredia. I've heard nice things about him, despite being so young.

Feb 22, 2009 10:44 AM
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BP staff member Kevin Goldstein
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There's certainly some things to like, but he doesn't have a ton of velocity, so he's more of a 15-20 guy for me.

Feb 22, 2009 11:30 AM
 
mwashuc06

Are there going to be any big names that are going to play for SI in SS-A this year?

Feb 22, 2009 11:43 AM
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bberdl20

If Montero's perfect world projection is as a 1B with an above average bat why is he a 5-star prospect? I understand that he hit the baseball very well in low-A ball and that he's young, but because he'll be either a 1B or a DH he must hit. There is a lot of room for his skills to drop to the point where he is only a 3-star guy .

Feb 22, 2009 12:16 PM
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mafrth77

Kevin, what makes Jesus Montero the #38 prospect while Max Ramirez Doesn't make the top 100? Ramirez has the better numbers at a higher level and is both closer to the big leagues and seemingly more likely to stat at catcher. isn't Ramirez the better prospect?

Feb 22, 2009 12:31 PM
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jibs

Montero is 5 years younger than Ramirez, and Montero's low-A season at age 18 was arguably more impressive than Ramirez's low-A season at age 21.

Feb 22, 2009 15:12 PM
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mafrth77

Their high A seasons were close, I'll give you that, but Ramirez has the longer track record, posting a .900+ OPS for 4 striaght years, and he is ready to play in the majors now. Montero is what- 5 years away? and his youth isn't really an asset when they are already talking about 1b/DH. Montero's upside is what Ramirez is right now- a .300/.400/.500 hitter who is probably a DH.

Feb 22, 2009 18:09 PM
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David Coonce

If Montero and Romine are both catching for the same team, doesn't that hinder Romine's development? Or, for that matter, Montero's? Because one of them is going to take at-bats from the other, right? Or is there a pre-arranged time-sharing arrangement in single-A ball that comes from the organization?

Feb 22, 2009 12:53 PM
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Adam Hobson

It's more that they are taking defensive innings from each other. When the one is catching, the other is DHing.

Considering that Romine will probably take a full year at High-A, AA and then AAA just to work on his bat, I think there will be plenty of time for him to refine his catching skills while splitting time.

I almost hope this split of duties lasts all the way to the major leagues. I know that even in the best case scenario Montero will never be even an average catcher, but if he can develop into only a slightly below average catcher, then it lets the Yankees have lots of strategic options with allowing Romine to catch 100 or so games a year, while giving 40 or so to Montero. That will allow Romine to stay fresh, while keeping Montero's bat special for 40 games a year, even though it may be less special the other 100 games.

Feb 22, 2009 15:19 PM
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David Coonce

Thanks for that. I completely forgot about the DH option, although, as you note, that would seem to limit Montero's defensive development even more. It seems even stranger now that the Yankees would have blocked off first base for the next 7 years. I can't really imagine where they're going to put this guy, unless they decide he's going to be a career DH, which might be a first.

Feb 23, 2009 05:51 AM
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Rob_in_CT

A lot can happen in the time it will take for Montero to be ML-ready. So yeah, right now 1B looks blocked for 7 years. The Yankees certainly hope it is. But there are certainly scenarios (less rosy for the Yanks) wherein it's not. Maybe we end up seeing the aging veteran Teixiera mentoring the young 1B Montero in 5 years... who knows? Maybe Montero manages to be the new Jorge Posada (questionable behind the plate, but man can he hit).

Feb 23, 2009 08:05 AM
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amazin_mess
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C'mon Kevin.

Jackson's a five star and Fernando Martinez isn't? Ridiculous.

Lemme guess...you had your Jeter jersey on as you wrote this.

Feb 22, 2009 16:01 PM
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BP staff member Kevin Goldstein
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A. Read above.
B. I'm a Mets fan
C. Who I'm a fan of has nothing to do with my rankings. How unprofessional would that be? How about ridiculously so. I don't have the mindset to wake up and say I'm going to push up/down somebody because I'm a fan or not a fan, I just don't have the same kind of emotional attachment I guess.

Sorry to ruin your ridiculous argument.

Feb 22, 2009 16:53 PM
 
amazin_mess
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About as professional as that response, I suppose.

Feb 22, 2009 16:58 PM
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Al Skorupa

...but much more professional that accusing a professional of bias.


Especially when, if you had read the comments already instead of just rushing to post, you would have seen Kevin already said:

"Yeah, you've found an bit of a weakness in the system. Basically, 5-star for me is a top 50 level prospect. Now, until I actually DO a Top 100, that's a bit of a guessing game. I thought they'd rank lower personally, and then when I added it all up there were less 5-star guy than expected, so I'd up Martinez and Rosario."

That's right - this shouldnt even be an issue because he has changed FMart and Rosario to five star.

Feb 22, 2009 17:35 PM
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amazin_mess
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Yeah - he changed them after the fact. LOL

Feb 22, 2009 17:45 PM
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tdrury

And explained perfectly how his methodology allowed it to happen in the first place. I'm not sure what else you're looking for.

Feb 22, 2009 21:20 PM
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vtadave

Just typed "Sundance Kid" into MS Word, kicked off the Thesaurus, and the word "tool" rose to the top.

Feb 22, 2009 22:03 PM
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Matt Hunter

never seen someone kick off more restricted comments in my time here.

Feb 22, 2009 23:00 PM
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amazin_mess
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Shpx lbh.

Feb 23, 2009 00:13 AM
 
Matt Hunter

ha, further proof.

Feb 23, 2009 00:15 AM
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eighteen

Now THERE'S a professional response.

Feb 23, 2009 00:26 AM
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Al Skorupa

One criticism... this list seems to have numerous candidates for "weakest three star guy to make a top 11."

Just based on your descriptions it seems like many of these guys are similar to the two star guys youve written up. For instance, you just gave Tyler Sample two stars... and his write up sound a lot better than a few of the three star guys on this list.

Feb 22, 2009 17:43 PM
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Matt Kory

I hate to bring this up, but in light of some comments on this thread I have to ask: what does one have to do to have their commenting privileges restricted or revoked? It might be something BP should look at.

Feb 23, 2009 06:24 AM
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beatolympics

I'm like Butch Cassidy and Michael is like Mozart. You try and hurt Mozart, you're gonna get a bullet in your head, courtesy of Butch Cassidy.

Feb 23, 2009 08:53 AM
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amazin_mess
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Look - the eff you was uncalled for - I agree.

All I did was make a comment about the rankings pointing out an obvious flaw and I got a snotty comment from Kevin, not that it was unjustified.

Then things turned sour once someone else called me a tool at which point things went to total hell.

Feb 23, 2009 10:10 AM
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eighteen

That's not the first time you've dropped the F-bomb in these threads. You don't want to be called a tool, stop acting like one.

Feb 23, 2009 10:49 AM
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amazin_mess
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Will do, Mom.

Feb 23, 2009 11:43 AM
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Matt Hunter

Hey man all I did was point out that I had never seen some one as restricted. I never said you were a tool. I obvioulsy don't know you.

The fact is the manner that you point this out makes it look like it was written in a Boston Red Sox message board saying stuff like "must have had your Jeter Jersey on."

These guys are professionals, and I am all for people questioning them and going to other sources beyond BP but it is just the way you put yourself out there.

Feb 23, 2009 16:38 PM
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huggirl

Any love for Christian Garcia?

Feb 25, 2009 14:47 PM
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