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Career Summary
Years PA AVG OBP SLG TAv WARP
22 11988 .345 .428 .500 .000 0
Birth Date4-4-1888
Height5' 11"
Weight193 lbs
BatsL
ThrowsL
WARP Summary

Standard

YEAR TEAM AGE G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR TB BB SO HBP SF SH RBI SB CS AVG OBP SLG TAv VORP FRAA WARP
1907 BOS 19 7 20 19 0 3 0 0 0 3 1 4 0 0 1 0 .158 .200 .158 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1908 BOS 20 31 125 116 12 26 2 2 0 32 4 8 2 3 9 3 .224 .262 .276 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1909 BOS 21 143 606 544 73 168 26 13 7 241 38 53 7 17 77 35 .309 .362 .443 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1910 BOS 22 141 608 538 92 183 20 14 7 252 52 38 6 12 65 35 .340 .404 .468 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1911 BOS 23 141 589 500 88 167 34 13 8 251 59 35 13 17 70 25 .334 .418 .502 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1912 BOS 24 153 675 580 136 222 53 12 10 329 82 36 6 7 90 52 28 .383 .464 .567 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1913 BOS 25 141 608 520 94 189 35 22 3 277 65 22 7 16 71 46 .363 .441 .533 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1914 BOS 26 158 668 571 101 193 46 18 4 287 77 25 7 13 90 42 29 .338 .423 .503 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1915 BOS 27 150 652 547 108 176 25 12 0 225 81 14 7 17 69 29 25 .322 .416 .411 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1916 CLE 28 151 647 546 102 211 41 8 2 274 82 20 4 15 79 35 27 .386 .470 .502 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1917 CLE 29 142 612 523 90 184 42 11 2 254 67 14 7 15 60 30 .352 .432 .486 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1918 CLE 30 127 549 471 73 150 33 11 0 205 64 9 3 11 61 27 .318 .403 .435 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1919 CLE 31 134 595 494 83 146 38 12 2 214 73 12 8 20 63 19 .296 .395 .433 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1920 CLE 32 150 674 552 137 214 50 11 8 310 97 13 5 20 107 10 13 .388 .483 .562 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1921 CLE 33 132 588 506 107 183 52 14 3 272 68 12 2 12 75 2 4 .362 .439 .538 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1922 CLE 34 131 516 426 85 161 48 8 11 258 77 11 1 12 71 8 3 .378 .474 .606 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1923 CLE 35 150 693 574 133 218 59 11 17 350 93 15 4 22 130 8 9 .380 .469 .610 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1924 CLE 36 135 575 486 94 167 36 9 9 248 72 13 4 13 65 5 7 .344 .432 .510 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1925 CLE 37 117 518 429 79 167 35 5 12 248 70 12 4 15 87 5 2 .389 .479 .578 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1926 CLE 38 150 661 539 96 164 52 8 7 253 94 15 0 28 88 6 1 .304 .408 .469 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1927 WS1 39 141 597 523 71 171 43 6 2 232 55 8 4 15 73 9 8 .327 .395 .444 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1928 PHA 40 64 212 191 28 51 22 2 3 86 10 5 2 9 30 5 1 .267 .310 .450 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
Career2789119881019518823514792222117510113813941033091531436157.345.428.500.0000.00.00.0

Advanced

'opp' stats - Quality of opponents faced - have been moved and are available only as OPP_QUAL in the Statistics reports now.
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YEAR Team Lg G PA TAv oppAVG oppOBP oppSLG oppTAv BABIP BPF BRAA repLVL POS_ADJ FRAA BRR BVORP BWARP VORP WARP
1907 BOS MLB 7 20 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1908 BOS MLB 31 125 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1909 BOS MLB 143 606 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1910 BOS MLB 141 608 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1911 BOS MLB 141 589 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1912 BOS MLB 153 675 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1913 BOS MLB 141 608 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1914 BOS MLB 158 668 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1915 BOS MLB 150 652 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1916 CLE MLB 151 647 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1917 CLE MLB 142 612 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1918 CLE MLB 127 549 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1919 CLE MLB 134 595 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1920 CLE MLB 150 674 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1921 CLE MLB 132 588 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1922 CLE MLB 131 516 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1923 CLE MLB 150 693 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1924 CLE MLB 135 575 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1925 CLE MLB 117 518 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1926 CLE MLB 150 661 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1927 WS1 MLB 141 597 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1928 PHA MLB 64 212 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

Statistics For All Levels

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Year Team Lg PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG ISO TAv VORP FRAA WARP
1907 BOS MLB 20 0 3 0 0 0 1 1 4 0 .158 .200 .158 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1908 BOS MLB 125 12 26 2 2 0 9 4 8 3 .224 .262 .276 .052 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1909 BOS MLB 606 73 168 26 13 7 77 38 53 35 .309 .362 .443 .134 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1910 BOS MLB 608 92 183 20 14 7 65 52 38 35 .340 .404 .468 .128 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1911 BOS MLB 589 88 167 34 13 8 70 59 35 25 .334 .418 .502 .168 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1912 BOS MLB 675 136 222 53 12 10 90 82 36 52 28 .383 .464 .567 .184 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1913 BOS MLB 608 94 189 35 22 3 71 65 22 46 .363 .441 .533 .169 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1914 BOS MLB 668 101 193 46 18 4 90 77 25 42 29 .338 .423 .503 .165 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1915 BOS MLB 652 108 176 25 12 0 69 81 14 29 25 .322 .416 .411 .090 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1916 CLE MLB 647 102 211 41 8 2 79 82 20 35 27 .386 .470 .502 .115 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1917 CLE MLB 612 90 184 42 11 2 60 67 14 30 .352 .432 .486 .134 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1918 CLE MLB 549 73 150 33 11 0 61 64 9 27 .318 .403 .435 .117 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1919 CLE MLB 595 83 146 38 12 2 63 73 12 19 .296 .395 .433 .138 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1920 CLE MLB 674 137 214 50 11 8 107 97 13 10 13 .388 .483 .562 .174 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1921 CLE MLB 588 107 183 52 14 3 75 68 12 2 4 .362 .439 .538 .176 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1922 CLE MLB 516 85 161 48 8 11 71 77 11 8 3 .378 .474 .606 .228 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1923 CLE MLB 693 133 218 59 11 17 130 93 15 8 9 .380 .469 .610 .230 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1924 CLE MLB 575 94 167 36 9 9 65 72 13 5 7 .344 .432 .510 .167 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1925 CLE MLB 518 79 167 35 5 12 87 70 12 5 2 .389 .479 .578 .189 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1926 CLE MLB 661 96 164 52 8 7 88 94 15 6 1 .304 .408 .469 .165 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1927 WS1 MLB 597 71 171 43 6 2 73 55 8 9 8 .327 .395 .444 .117 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1928 PHA MLB 212 28 51 22 2 3 30 10 5 5 1 .267 .310 .450 .183 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0

Plate Discipline

YEAR PITCHES ZONE_RT SWING_RT CONTACT_RT Z_SWING_RT O_SWING_RT Z_CONTACT_RT O_CONTACT_RT SW_STRK_RT

Injury History

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BP Articles

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This article requires BP Premium accessPebble Hunting: The Baseball Bloodlines ProjectSam Miller2014-06-04
This article requires BP Premium accessContractual Matters: The Sinking and the SunkJeff Euston2013-03-06
Prospectus Hit and Run: The Curious Case of Freddie LindstromJay Jaffe2013-03-06
This article requires BP Premium accessSkewed Left: It's No Good to Get Old (Except for These Guys)Zachary Levine2013-03-04
Baseball ProGUESTus: The Tensest Series of All TimeDave Studeman2012-04-03
The BP Wayback Machine: Jon Lester, Meet Mel ParnellSteven Goldman2012-03-23
The Lineup Card: 10 Choices for 2012 DeclinesBaseball Prospectus2012-03-08
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Preview: AL Central 2012 Preseason Preview, Part OneBen Lindbergh2012-02-28
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Preview: AL Central 2012 Preseason Preview, Part OneSteven Goldman2012-02-28
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit and Run: The Class of 2012: The Outfielders, Part IJay Jaffe2012-01-02
The Lineup Card: 9 Memories of Frank ViolaBaseball Prospectus2011-12-14
The BP Broadside: The ALDS Goat Remains Masked and AnonymousSteven Goldman2011-10-07
This article requires BP Premium accessKiss'Em Goodbye: Boston Red SoxSteven Goldman2011-09-29
This article requires BP Premium accessKiss'Em Goodbye: Boston Red SoxESPN Insider2011-09-29
This article requires BP Premium accessKiss'Em Goodbye: Boston Red SoxKevin Goldstein2011-09-29
The BP Broadside: Trade Deadline WinnersSteven Goldman2011-08-01
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit and Run: Beltran and DamonJay Jaffe2011-07-29
Wezen-Ball: Arguing Baseball's Best PlayersLarry Granillo2011-06-14
The BP Broadside: Impatience II: More Springtime SlumpersSteven Goldman2011-04-28
BP Unfiltered: Days 4 & 5 in Cactus CountryChristina Kahrl2011-03-13
The BP Broadside: When is Baseball's MVP Its Least Valuable Player?Steven Goldman2011-02-10
This article requires BP Premium accessThe BP Broadside: Three HundredSteven Goldman2011-02-04
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit and Run: Class of 2011: Edgar MartinezJay Jaffe2010-12-30
This article requires BP Premium accessAnother Look: Willie MaysBob Hertzel2010-11-29
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit and Run: Cooperstown BoundJay Jaffe2010-09-08
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit and Run: If Hawk, Then RockJay Jaffe2010-07-23
This article requires BP Premium accessYou Could Look It Up: What's Wrong with the Red Sox?Steven Goldman2010-06-18
You Can Blog It Up: DPOTD: Ever Make Love to a Hall of Famerís Wife?Steven Goldman2010-06-14
One-Hoppers: Ken Griffey Jr. Bows OutJay Jaffe2010-06-02
Out of the Park: Reviewing OOTP 11 Marc Normandin2010-04-27
You Can Blog It Up: Dead Player of the Day and Other Notes #17Steven Goldman2010-04-27
You Can Blog It Up: Dead Player of the Day and Other Notes #14Steven Goldman2010-04-16
One-Hoppers: Willie Davis (1940-2010)Jay Jaffe2010-03-17
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit and Run: The Big Hurt Jay Jaffe2010-02-16
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit and Run: O-Dog Waits, Edmonds CampaignsJay Jaffe2010-01-22
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit and Run: Return of the RickeysJay Jaffe2009-07-28
This article requires BP Premium accessOn the Beat: Weekend WrapJohn Perrotto2009-06-28
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit and Run: Oh Rickey, You're So FineJay Jaffe2008-12-15
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Preview: Tuesday's Games to WatchCaleb Peiffer2008-09-23
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Preview: Labor Day's Games to WatchCaleb Peiffer2008-09-01
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Preview: Saturday's Games to WatchCaleb Peiffer2008-08-30
This article requires BP Premium accessYou Could Look It Up: A Guide to the New Veterans Committee Ballot, Part 1Clay Davenport2008-08-26
This article requires BP Premium accessYou Could Look It Up: A Guide to the New Veterans Committee Ballot, Part 1Steven Goldman2008-08-26
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Preview: Monday's Games to WatchCaleb Peiffer2008-08-11
Prospectus Q&A: Marvin MillerJay Jaffe2008-06-02
Prospectus Hit and Run: Take Me Out of the Hall GameJay Jaffe2008-05-29
You Could Look It Up: Jon Lester, Meet Mel ParnellSteven Goldman2008-05-20
This article requires BP Premium accessDoctoring The Numbers: Dodgers and NationalsRany Jazayerli2008-04-05
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Matchups: The 2008 Transient All-Star TeamJim Baker2008-02-29
This article requires BP Premium accessYou Could Look It Up: The Speaker SagaSteven Goldman2007-11-19
This article requires BP Premium accessLies, Damned Lies: The Best Player in Baseball, Part TwoNate Silver2007-09-21
This article requires BP Premium accessSchrodinger's Bat: Tilting the Playing FieldDan Fox2007-08-30
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Matchups: Double and Triple ThatJim Baker2007-08-28
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit and Run: Milestoners and the New New Veterans CommitteeJay Jaffe2007-08-14
This article requires BP Premium accessYou Could Look It Up: Benefit GamesSteven Goldman2007-08-03
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Matchups: Millstones and MilestonesJim Baker2007-07-03
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Today: Round Number DayJoe Sheehan2007-06-29
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Matchups: The Silver BootJim Baker2007-06-22
This article requires BP Premium accessSchrodinger's Bat: In the Arms of an AngelDan Fox2007-04-05
This article requires BP Premium accessWorld Series Prospectus: Game Five DiarySteven Goldman2006-10-28
This article requires BP Premium accessYou Could Look It Up: The Definition of InsanitySteven Goldman2006-09-29
Prospectus Notebook: Diamondbacks, White SoxBaseball Prospectus2006-06-15
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Today: Witch HuntJoe Sheehan2006-06-12
This article requires BP Premium accessSchrodinger's Bat: Wins and the QuantumDan Fox2006-04-06
This article requires BP Premium accessYou Could Look It Up: Judge Landis on Steroids EditionSteven Goldman2006-03-17
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Matchups: Frank Thomas' RelocodaJim Baker2006-02-07
This article requires BP Premium accessPrelude to the Playoffs: Saturday at the JakeDave Haller2005-10-02
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Matchups: 40-40, and 20Jim Baker2005-09-13
This article requires BP Premium accessYou Could Look It Up: Baseball Prospectus Infinity Edition #5Steven Goldman2005-09-06
This article requires BP Premium accessAn Objective Hall of Fame: Part Four, 1944-1946Clay Davenport2005-08-18
This article requires BP Premium accessAn Objective Hall of Fame: Part Two, 1937-1940Clay Davenport2005-08-10
What Is Baseball Prospectus' Mind Game?: A Closer Look at the BookSteven Goldman2005-07-15
This article requires BP Premium accessYou Could Look It Up: The Infinity EditionSteven Goldman2005-04-27
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Matchups: Under the Knife, circa 1948Jim Baker2004-12-07
National League Gold Glove Awards: What the Numbers SayClay Davenport2004-11-04
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This article requires BP Premium accessYou Could Look It Up: Everything Happens in 1912 and 2004Steven Goldman2004-06-21
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This article requires BP Premium accessTrading a Superstar: It's Not as Rare as You Might ThinkMark Armour2004-01-16
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BP Chats

DateQuestionAnswer
2012-01-30 13:00:00 (link to chat)Will there be a worse defensive starting outfielder in 2012 than Lucas Duda? His range seems terrible and his arm might be worse. Could the Mets consider switching him with Bay so that he'd play left field and limit the exposure of his weak arm?
(mattstupp from NYC)
Now that Pat Burrell has retired? Duda is about as far from Tris Speaker as you can get, but I feel like this is not something the Mets really need to worry about right now. (Steven Goldman)
2011-01-05 13:00:00 (link to chat)Jay - thanks again for the JAWS series this year. I'm submitting this question at 8:00am Eastern, so I don't yet know the results. My question is more of a suggestion - how similar is the relationship between Tim Raines and Rickey Henderson to that of Tris Speaker and Ty Cobb. In both cases, the paired players were contemporaries at the same position. In both cases, the former player was seen as awesome, but not the best in his role due to the continued presence of the latter. Hopefully, in both cases, the former player eventually gains enshrinement. What says you?
(R.A.Wagman from Toronto)
A question I'd have to research more fully to understand the attitudes toward Speaker and Cobb. Both of whom were apparently members of the KKK, to show you how standards of morality can shift over time. (Jay Jaffe)
2008-10-20 13:00:00 (link to chat)I think the problem with the deadball era is that it's a completely different game. Offensive and defensive have ebbed and flowed throughout the years but different factors thereof still had similar relative values. It's hard to make sense of an era where scoring was way down, averages were way up, power meant triples, everyone stole at a 50% clip and usage and equipment changes since mean contemporary pitching is almost irrelevant as a comparison point. The sixties are a distant, distant second place in the whole "no rational frame of reference" game. And I say this as someone whose loved the era ever since you recommended Crazy 08 and The Glory of Their Times to me at the Boston book signing!
(jackalltogether from Boston)
Glad you took me up on those books. There are some really good ones. I also like "The Pitch that Killed," about Ray Chapman and Carl Mays... For me, history, even baseball history, is all about people and their high and low moments, their heroism, their villainy, the fact that they succeeded and failed just like you and me. The challenge as a writer is to bring them to life as people, not just stats. That's what I try to do, though it's sometimes a little difficult in the context of a 1500-word column. Also, even though all the differences you point out are true, a lot of the team-building and strategic problems are relateable. If I ask you to choose between PH A and PH B in a World Series game, and describe the strengths and weaknesses of each, we can second-guess along whether we're talking about Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker or Manny Ramirez and Jason Bay. (Steven Goldman)
2008-10-20 13:00:00 (link to chat)Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker vs. Manny Ramirez and Jason Bay? The Analogy Police have reported you to Joe
(jackalltogether from Boston)
That was totally random, of course. You really can't go wrong, can you? Bay is the one that doesn't belong, I guess. (Steven Goldman)
2008-09-16 13:00:00 (link to chat)Tris Speaker, paging Tris Speaker.
(BR from NYC)
Can I say again - you can't go wrong. Although... Speaker was a divisive clubhouse guy, being, reputedly, a Klan member and part of a fractured Red Sox clubhouse that divided among Catholic/Protestant lines. Speaker, as you might guess from the Klan thing, was in the anti-Catholic crowd. I think it's entirely fitting that the Red Sox would be the team to have a internecine holy war. (Steven Goldman)
2008-03-14 13:00:00 (link to chat)Thank you for the chat. Congrats on the publication of BP2008, your best work ever. The NY papers say the Mets turned down Coco Crisp for Angel Pagan. That doesn't sound like it really happened, but if it did, is Omar Minaya insane?
(fielding99 from NYC)
I strongly, strongly doubt the validity of that particular rumor. Crisp isn't Tris Speaker or anything, but he's more than a fourth-fifth outfielder. He can be a regular and be a positive for someone. Pagan isn't at that level. If you can make that deal, especially given how fragile the Mets are, you practically climb through the phone to sign the papers. I strongly doubt that Minaya had that chance.

...Unless he knows something about Coco we don't. Maybe Coco is going around hotels in a bathrobe saying, "Okay, anyone who doesn't want to ____, get out!" (Steven Goldman)
2008-02-27 13:00:00 (link to chat)There was some interesting centerfielder talk on the Max Kellerman radio show today. They argued for Jim Edmonds' HOF case and were also discussing Ichiro, at one point even comparing him to Tris Speaker and Ty Cobb. Is Ichiro really at their level?
(Peter from Staten Island)
No, I don't think he is. He's got the speed and batting averages of their games, but he doesn't have the power. If you look at Clay's translated stats on the DT pages for these players, you'll see that Cobb works out to .355/.423/.617, and Speaker to .324/.410/.580, but Ichiro to "only" .348/.398/.462. If Speaker and Cobb had had the heart of their career in the lively ball era, they likely would have been huge power hitters, with some of those doubles and triples heading over the fences... As for Edmonds, I think he compares very well with the great CFs. How many of them were both great gloves and slugged .500? Very few. I think Edmonds is deserving, but he's going to have problems because he's short in the counting stats department due to not becoming a regular until 25 and subsequent injuries. (Steven Goldman)
2008-02-27 13:00:00 (link to chat)Do you think Joey Votto has any shot at winning the starting job in Cincinatti this year?
(Billy from Iowa City, IA)
There are a lot of questions here about the Reds and how their roster will shake out, all of which, I think, stems from insecurity over Dusty Baker making the right decision. We were talking about Tris Speaker before -- if he were available, Dusty would be trying to sign him. Look, I don't think any of us can say what Dusty and the Reds will do, because we don't know to what degree rationality really holds sway there. If it were up to us we would go with the high upside of guys like Votto and Bruce, but that's now how Dusty thinks about things. One thing that will give us a clue is, obviously, spring training performance, not because 50 PAs in March will prove more to US about a player than all of last year's minor league numbers did, but because if the youngsters don't play well, Dusty won't give them the benefit of the doubt. He'll have an excuse to go Hatteberg and Lofton and Dead Ted Kluzewski. (Steven Goldman)


BP Roundtables

DateRoundtable NameComment
2010-10-06 10:00:002010 Playoffs Day OneSyndicate baseball, they called it, and it kept coming up well into the 20th century, such as when Tris Speaker mysteriously went from the Red Sox to the Indians, a team in which AL prexy Ban Johnson had a financial interest. (Steven Goldman)
2010-07-13 16:30:00All-Star GameOf course, I'm the idiot, because I was thinking Tris Speaker, not the "All politics is local" guy's namesake. Apologies to Tommy and his Beard. (Steven Goldman)