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Career Summary
| Years | PA | AVG | OBP | SLG | TAv | WARP |
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| 11 | 3190 | .214 | .279 | .357 | .245 | 5.5 |
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| YEAR | TEAM | AGE | G | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | TB | BB | SO | HBP | SF | SH | RBI | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | TAv | VORP | FRAA | WARP |
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| 1964 | KC1 | 18 | 25 | 55 | 53 | 2 | 9 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 14 | 2 | 20 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 0 | .170 | .200 | .264 | .163 | -6.0 | -0.6 | -0.7 |
| 1967 | KC1 | 21 | 34 | 106 | 101 | 9 | 19 | 4 | 0 | 5 | 38 | 4 | 50 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 11 | 0 | 1 | .188 | .219 | .376 | .245 | 0.5 | 0.5 | 0.1 |
| 1968 | OAK | 22 | 82 | 276 | 246 | 15 | 47 | 4 | 0 | 7 | 72 | 25 | 68 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 28 | 1 | 2 | .191 | .266 | .293 | .232 | 1.1 | 0.8 | 0.2 |
| 1969 | OAK | 23 | 58 | 150 | 127 | 11 | 16 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 28 | 19 | 41 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 22 | 0 | 0 | .126 | .236 | .220 | .193 | -2.8 | -0.6 | -0.4 |
| 1970 | OAK | 24 | 86 | 258 | 232 | 21 | 60 | 7 | 0 | 10 | 97 | 22 | 38 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 29 | 0 | 0 | .259 | .320 | .418 | .275 | 15.7 | 0.0 | 1.7 |
| 1971 | OAK | 25 | 103 | 398 | 363 | 39 | 92 | 13 | 1 | 15 | 152 | 28 | 77 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 40 | 1 | 1 | .253 | .307 | .419 | .287 | 23.1 | -1.0 | 2.5 |
| 1972 | OAK | 26 | 121 | 450 | 403 | 39 | 88 | 13 | 0 | 19 | 158 | 34 | 68 | 5 | 6 | 2 | 59 | 0 | 2 | .218 | .283 | .392 | .274 | 17.8 | -0.4 | 2.1 |
| 1973 | CLE | 27 | 95 | 383 | 344 | 43 | 80 | 11 | 1 | 17 | 144 | 35 | 86 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 43 | 3 | 3 | .233 | .309 | .419 | .262 | 9.8 | 0.1 | 1.1 |
| 1974 | CLE | 28 | 136 | 474 | 425 | 45 | 85 | 10 | 1 | 16 | 145 | 42 | 91 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 46 | 0 | 4 | .200 | .274 | .341 | .227 | 1.1 | -3.7 | -0.3 |
| 1975 | BAL | 29 | 96 | 326 | 307 | 30 | 63 | 7 | 0 | 12 | 106 | 16 | 82 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 41 | 0 | 0 | .205 | .245 | .345 | .216 | -1.1 | -1.4 | -0.3 |
| 1976 | BAL | 30 | 93 | 314 | 284 | 20 | 58 | 7 | 0 | 4 | 77 | 25 | 56 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 17 | 0 | 0 | .204 | .271 | .271 | .214 | -6.1 | 1.0 | -0.6 |
| Career | 929 | 3190 | 2885 | 274 | 617 | 79 | 4 | 109 | 1031 | 252 | 677 | 14 | 18 | 21 | 341 | 5 | 13 | .214 | .279 | .357 | .245 | 53.2 | -5.1 | 5.5 | ||
Advanced
'opp' stats - quality of opponents faced - have been moved and are available only as OPP_QUAL in the Statistics reports now.| YEAR | Team | Lg | G | PA | TAv | oppAVG | oppOBP | oppSLG | oppTAv | BABIP | BPF | BRAA | repLVL | POS_ADJ | FRAA | BRR | BVORP | BWARP | VORP | WARP |
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| 1964 | KC1 | MLB | 25 | 55 | .163 | .227 | .288 | .346 | .000 | .250 | 105 | -5 | 1.4 | 0.8 | -0.6 | -0.5 | -6.0 | -0.7 | -6.0 | -0.7 |
| 1967 | KC1 | MLB | 34 | 106 | .245 | .231 | .290 | .346 | .000 | .304 | 95 | -1.4 | 2.5 | 1.5 | 0.5 | -0.1 | 0.5 | 0.1 | 0.5 | 0.1 |
| 1968 | OAK | MLB | 82 | 276 | .232 | .227 | .287 | .333 | .000 | .231 | 93 | -6.2 | 6.1 | 3.6 | 0.8 | -1.4 | 1.1 | 0.2 | 1.1 | 0.2 |
| 1969 | OAK | MLB | 58 | 150 | .193 | .247 | .311 | .361 | .000 | .153 | 95 | -9.6 | 3.9 | 2.3 | -0.6 | 1.3 | -2.8 | -0.4 | -2.8 | -0.4 |
| 1970 | OAK | MLB | 86 | 258 | .275 | .252 | .314 | .379 | .000 | .269 | 94 | 3.9 | 7.0 | 4.1 | 0.0 | -0.1 | 15.7 | 1.7 | 15.7 | 1.7 |
| 1971 | OAK | MLB | 103 | 398 | .287 | .245 | .305 | .362 | .000 | .282 | 94 | 9.9 | 9.8 | 6 | -1.0 | -0.2 | 23.1 | 2.5 | 23.1 | 2.5 |
| 1972 | OAK | MLB | 121 | 450 | .274 | .234 | .296 | .338 | .000 | .214 | 92 | 5.6 | 10.6 | 6.3 | -0.4 | -2.8 | 17.8 | 2.1 | 17.8 | 2.1 |
| 1973 | CLE | MLB | 95 | 383 | .262 | .259 | .319 | .382 | .000 | .261 | 102 | 0.9 | 10.1 | 5 | 0.1 | -4.1 | 9.8 | 1.1 | 9.8 | 1.1 |
| 1974 | CLE | MLB | 136 | 474 | .227 | .257 | .314 | .370 | .000 | .216 | 100 | -15.3 | 12.3 | 7.2 | -3.7 | -2.1 | 1.1 | -0.3 | 1.1 | -0.3 |
| 1975 | BAL | MLB | 96 | 326 | .216 | .255 | .317 | .376 | .000 | .237 | 96 | -14.2 | 8.6 | 5.1 | -1.4 | -2.3 | -1.1 | -0.3 | -1.1 | -0.3 |
| 1976 | BAL | MLB | 93 | 314 | .214 | .250 | .305 | .352 | .000 | .241 | 93 | -13.6 | 7.9 | 4.8 | 1.0 | -2.9 | -6.1 | -0.6 | -6.1 | -0.6 |
| Career | MLB | 3190 | .245 | .247 | .307 | .361 | .254 | .240 | 96 | -45 | 80.2 | 46.7 | -5.1 | -15.1 | 53.2 | 5.5 | 53.2 | 5.5 | ||
Statistics For All Levels
| Year | Team | Lg | PA | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SB | CS | AVG | OBP | SLG | ISO | TAv | VORP | FRAA | WARP |
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| 1964 | KC1 | MLB | 55 | 2 | 9 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 20 | 0 | 0 | .170 | .200 | .264 | .094 | .163 | -6.0 | -0.6 | -0.7 |
| 1967 | KC1 | MLB | 106 | 9 | 19 | 4 | 0 | 5 | 11 | 4 | 50 | 0 | 1 | .188 | .219 | .376 | .188 | .245 | 0.5 | 0.5 | 0.1 |
| 1968 | OAK | MLB | 276 | 15 | 47 | 4 | 0 | 7 | 28 | 25 | 68 | 1 | 2 | .191 | .266 | .293 | .102 | .232 | 1.1 | 0.8 | 0.2 |
| 1969 | OAK | MLB | 150 | 11 | 16 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 22 | 19 | 41 | 0 | 0 | .126 | .236 | .220 | .094 | .193 | -2.8 | -0.6 | -0.4 |
| 1970 | OAK | MLB | 258 | 21 | 60 | 7 | 0 | 10 | 29 | 22 | 38 | 0 | 0 | .259 | .320 | .418 | .159 | .275 | 15.7 | 0.0 | 1.7 |
| 1971 | OAK | MLB | 398 | 39 | 92 | 13 | 1 | 15 | 40 | 28 | 77 | 1 | 1 | .253 | .307 | .419 | .165 | .287 | 23.1 | -1.0 | 2.5 |
| 1972 | OAK | MLB | 450 | 39 | 88 | 13 | 0 | 19 | 59 | 34 | 68 | 0 | 2 | .218 | .283 | .392 | .174 | .274 | 17.8 | -0.4 | 2.1 |
| 1973 | CLE | MLB | 383 | 43 | 80 | 11 | 1 | 17 | 43 | 35 | 86 | 3 | 3 | .233 | .309 | .419 | .186 | .262 | 9.8 | 0.1 | 1.1 |
| 1974 | CLE | MLB | 474 | 45 | 85 | 10 | 1 | 16 | 46 | 42 | 91 | 0 | 4 | .200 | .274 | .341 | .141 | .227 | 1.1 | -3.7 | -0.3 |
| 1975 | BAL | MLB | 326 | 30 | 63 | 7 | 0 | 12 | 41 | 16 | 82 | 0 | 0 | .205 | .245 | .345 | .140 | .216 | -1.1 | -1.4 | -0.3 |
| 1976 | BAL | MLB | 314 | 20 | 58 | 7 | 0 | 4 | 17 | 25 | 56 | 0 | 0 | .204 | .271 | .271 | .067 | .214 | -6.1 | 1.0 | -0.6 |
Injury History beta
| Date On | Date Off | Transaction | Days | Games | Side | Body Part | Injury | Severity | Surgery Date | Reaggravation |
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| 1973-06-29 | 1973-08-18 | 50 | 49 | - | Wrist | Fracture | - | - |
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| 2011-01-18 13:00:00 | Good afternoon Marc ... thanks for the chat.
Jaime Garcia .... is 2010 the best version of him to expect or is there room for growth? (dianagramr from NYC) | I mentioned this a bit earlier, and it's why I didn't pick him up in a Scoresheet dispersal last week. He's really good, but I don't think he's going to be much better than he was (especially on the ERA side--that's going to come up even if the peripherals stay the same). Of course, Dave Duncan is in St. Louis, so Garcia will start to get 65% groundballs or something and dominate just because I said this. (Marc Normandin) |
| 2010-11-23 13:00:00 | "I haven't been wild about any deal so far this winter." Not even Jake Westbrook re-upping with St. Louis for2/$16.5M? They had a need, and how could they have filled it for less? (Bill from New Mexico) | It's not a horrible deal if you can guarantee he'll be healthy, and he's a good fit with Dave Duncan, but the guy's got one 30-start season out of the last four. (Jay Jaffe) |
| 2010-07-26 14:00:00 | Ken, who you think are the best 3 managers in baseball? (Zooey from LA) | Great question, and frankly, one I haven't really thought much about. Win-Loss records have so much more to do with the talent a manager's given than any innate skill the manager has. Was Joe Torre truly a great manager when he was in NYC? I can't say that I know. I guess if I were running a team I'd do my best to sign Tony LaRussa, assuming that Dave Duncan comes with him. My other two would be Bobby Cox and Ozzie Guillen, who never gets enough credit for how well he manages a pitching staff. Maybe I'm just voting for interesting managers! (Ken Funck) |
| 2010-04-21 14:00:00 | How often do we ever see a pitcher 'work on a new pitch' in spring training and see it actually pay off long term? I am thinking of Mike Pelfrey, who seems to be missing a lot of bats with his split-change this year. If he can get the K rate to around 7 per 9, he is a completely different pitcher. (J.P. from Hartford) | In Chicago most White Sox pitchers are taught cutters, which helped turn Gavin Floyd and John Danks into legitimate front-mid rotation hurlers. That seems to be more organizational philosophy than, say, Cole Hamels working to learn a cutter this off-season. In St. Louis, Dave Duncan works his magic with sequencing and location moreso than new pitches, but to the same effect. I agree that we don't hear about true success stories with these newer pitches as much as the failures, but Big Pelf wouldn't be alone if his split-change remains effective. (Eric Seidman) |
| 2010-04-21 14:00:00 | How long before Brad Penny turns into a pumpkin? (Bill from New Mexico) | I'm very bullish on Penny and have been for the last couple of years. Especially now that he's with Dave Duncan there is no reason to expect him to implode. It's easy to forget how good he was only three years ago, and from 2001-07 for that matter. I'll gladly take my chances on a guy who throws 95 and is now dedicating himself to inducing grounders. (Eric Seidman) |
| 2010-03-24 11:00:00 | I know there's just a limited amount of players who have gone to "Swing Doctor" Jamie Cevallos, it seems that he knows what he's doing and should be given a consultant job for some team(possibly for the Rays). Is it just a matter of time or are the Reds/Rays waiting to see if the results continue with Sutton, Ruggiano, Ashley and Zobrist? (jlarsen from Chicago) | I'm surprised he hasn't been hired in some capacity by a team. He might simply prefer to work independently, because of personality or whatever.
Slightly relatedly, it's very hard to separate the causes for coaches like this. It's true the sample is still pretty small, but even when we have bigger samples (say like we did with Leo Mazzone or Dave Duncan), it remains hard to identify exactly the coach's contribution. (Tommy Bennett) |
| 2010-03-17 14:00:00 | Cardinals pitching prospect Jaime Garcia has looked downright evil this spring, but doesn't seem to be in serious consideration for the rotation, which definitely has a vacancy. What's going on, Christina? Flash-in-the-pan syndrome? Justifiable desire to hold the workload down for a TJ survivor? Or a noxious manifestation of Dave Duncan's aversion to working with young pitchers, particularly starters? (Bill from New Mexico) | Hi Bill, always a pleasure to see you on the boards... I think it's very much a matter of politburo-style turnitis, in that it isn't his turn yet. He's having a great camp, he's coming back from injury, and especially because of April scheduling, I could see him spending the first month or two getting regular starts for Memphis. By June, we'll know if McClellan's calling for reinforcements (inevitable, if you ask any Civil War buff), or if Rich Hill's redeemable and that's just in the fifth spot. Duncan's deserved reputation or no, I'm just not that wild on bets that Kyle Lohse and Brad Penny will be totally fine, so I think Garcia's going to be put to work at some point this season. (Christina Kahrl) |
| 2010-02-23 13:00:00 | "Stagecoach" was one of the greatest movie of all time. John Wayne was terrific in it, but so was everyone else, plus the direction, story and scenery. Hard to put many other films in its class, period. And by the way, since you like Cards pitching: what do you think of Kyle McClellan becoming a fifth stater? (gerrybraun from Red River) | Ever see the bad remake, with Bing Crosby? Nothing against Bing, who made some fine films... I like Kyle McClellan as a fifth starter more than I like Kyle Farnsworth as one. That said, his so-so control and low-ish strikeout rate sing middle reliever to me and suggest a guy who could have trouble getting through the lineup too many times. If anyone can make it work, though, it's Dave Duncan. (Steven Goldman) |
| 2010-01-28 14:00:00 | The Cardinals signed Rich Hill--any chance Dave Duncan can get his career off life support? (dwiest12 from NoVA) | If anyone can and if his arm is sound, it's Duncan, and it isn't like Hill's that far removed from being a very good big-league pitcher. That said, questions about his arm and his head will have to be answered. I may have seemed overly flip in suggesting that he could be the Cards' third-best starter this year, but it was something of a poorly-put left-handed compliment, because Lohse has to come back and I'm not really wild about Brad Penny. (Christina Kahrl) |
| 2010-01-26 14:00:00 | Tommy-
Your thoughts on the Cardinal off-season and how it sets them up for another run in the NL Central? (Jake from St. Louis, MO) | I think the Cardinals are the clear favorites in their division. My biggest concern would be with their pitching, but whatever Dave Duncan does, it appears to work for them. (Tommy Bennett) |
| 2009-12-15 14:00:00 | Still a believer in Ben Sheets? Where do you think he'll wind up? (Phil S. from NJ) | Absolutely, I'd rather put my money on Ben Sheets and a "maybe he's still that good" than Joel Pineiro and a "maybe he thrives away from Dave Duncan." But after the time away, I wonder if he wouldn't like to be on a contender. I could see him landing with the Dodgers on an incentive-laden deal after they clear up some of their arbitration issues and get a better sense of their own freedom of action. The Mets might be a similar sort of suitor. If he elects to change leagues, maybe Anaheim. (Christina Kahrl) |
| 2009-11-24 13:00:00 | Suppose you're Joel Pineiro and trying to decide which offer to grossly overpay you you're going to accept. If you're looking for another team with a pitching coach with the powers of a voodoo curse (let's face it, how else could Dave Duncan have done with Pineiro what he did?), which team, and which coach, do you find most appealing? (Bill from New Mexico) | Pineiro is unlikely to sign somewhere because of a specific pitching coach. The Cards may have taken a chance on him given Duncan's super-powers, but I cannot foresee a situation in which he and his agent decide that Team X is the place to go because they have Pitching Coach Y, unless it involves the Cardinals being in the ballpark of other offers. This just has the feel of an eventual Mets overpay. (Eric Seidman) |
| 2009-10-11 13:00:00 | Do you think that Cardinals fans and Larussa himself were delusional for thinking that Joel Pineiro as the #3 starting pitcher would get them out the NLDS? (Dan from Lexington-Concord) | Did they have a better option? They got to the playoffs on two good pitchers and just enough from the back half. Can they win next year without Dave Duncan spinning golden pitchers out of straw? (Will Carroll) |
| 2009-10-06 13:30:00 | John -- Do you think Tony LaRussa will be back with the Cardinals next year? How much of this is contingent on them signing Matt Holliday (of whom Tony is a huge fan)? Or on keeping Dave Duncan around? (Matt from Chicago) | I think La Russa is staying, regardless of Holliday and Duncan. He seemed very content when I caught up him in early September, probably as content as I've ever seen him. I have a gut feeling if they win it all this year, he might retire. He didn't give any hints of that but it's just a suspicion I have. (John Perrotto) |
| 2009-09-24 14:00:00 | Do Dave Duncan's pitching philosophy, and every St. Louis pitcher behind Chris Carpenter and Adam Wainwright, lead Secret Sauce to underestimate the Cards' playoff chances? (jalonzo from NYC) | I think the idea that any team is better than an 18-20% chance to win the World Series overestimates everyone's playoff chances. Secret Sauce is what it is, a formula based on the track record of successful teams. Everyone's favorite team not rated well by it is the exception. (Joe Sheehan) |
| 2009-09-10 13:00:00 | Thank you for the chat. Do you think Erik Bedard will make a close to full recovery and be effective for a few more years? Any other pitchers who have made it back from a torn labrum in their pitching shoulder? (Sumi from Monterey Park) | Very few and most are extreme examples like Roger Clemens and Curt Schilling. I don't have a lot of hope for a Bedard return, but if I was his agent, I'd get him to Dave Duncan no matter what. (Will Carroll) |
| 2009-08-28 13:00:00 | Dave Duncan -- justifiably unhappy with how his son was treated by the Cardinals organization, or an example of why teams shouldn't have the offspring of managers/coaches in the organization? (xxxx from yyyy) | It was a truly unfortunate situation. Chris has lost his power because of his injuries and thus all his value. His father seems to have a hard time coming to grips with that. (John Perrotto) |
| 2009-08-28 13:00:00 | Maybe I'm forgetting, but it feels like Dave Duncan works best with older, more established pitchers and not young rookies. I don't recall anybody coming up during his time in Oakland. (Rick from Denver) | Nobody jumps out at me either from the Oakland days but he is the master of getting a lot of mileage out of retreads. (John Perrotto) |
| 2009-03-06 14:00:00 | Are you optimistic about the Skip Schumaker 2nd base experiment in St. Louis? Also, is Christina aware that she uses the word "tasty" too much in her writing? (jbuofm from Peoria) | Having not seen him play yet, I'm not terribly optimistic simply because the track record for these types of conversions isn't all that great. Anytime you're moving a guy to a more difficult defensive position the success rate is low, and it doesn't help that Schumaker's defensive numbers don't support the idea that he's a good enough defender to pull it off.
Maybe if Dave Duncan gets involved enough to teach him how to scuff a baseball? (Jay Jaffe) |
| 2008-08-01 14:00:00 | I am amazed to see the St. Louis Cardinals doing so well this year with seemingly so little. Is this a career year for Tony LaRussa? (mwanders from Moscow, ID) | Well, the guy does have a couple World Series rings, including one won with a team that was barely over .500 after 162 games. But if this is a career year for TLR, it's one for Dave Duncan as well, patching together that pitching staff. I mean, Kyle Lohse and Todd Wellemeyer are 1-2 in SNLVAR on that staff, and if I told you that was a playoff contending recipe at the outset of the year, I'd be doing the Hit List for the Outer Mongolian Independent League myself. (Jay Jaffe) |
| 2008-07-09 13:00:00 | Will, in your opinion, who are the top 3 pitching coaches in the game today (or employed recently)? Briefly, why? (Rick from Chicago) | Do you mean in the game or guys like House, Wolforth, etc? I'll take this as in the game and say that if I were GM, the guys I'd want to interview to be my pitching coach would be Jim Rooney, Brent Strom, and Leo Mazzone. (Mike Maddux and Dave Duncan have jobs, so I don't think they'd be available.) (Will Carroll) |
| 2008-06-27 14:00:00 | The Cards' were supposedly going to use this year to sort things out for '09. Now they've got the second best record in the NL and their bullpen is suspect. Johnny Mo won't trade top prospects for relief pitchers will he? (The King from Grinnell, IA) | No, not top prospects, nor should he. I expect he'll take his time, see if Izzy's going to get ironed out, review the cheap pick-ups, work a few connections, and land a moderately talented thirtysomething who might suddenly magically improve after Dave Duncan shows him a thing or two, and it'll only cost him a non-40-man C prospect out of A-ball. (Christina Kahrl) |
| 2008-06-17 15:00:00 | Enough chatter about those teams hogging the top 10. What about my beloved Nationals? Is this the worst hitting lineup in recent times? Also, on the Dave Duncan theme, I think Randy St. Clair is underappreciated for getting decent pitching out of a staff of 89 mph retreads and kids. (macman from dc) | Whew, 2:30 into this I think I've blown past my pitch count and am into a Category V start. This question and one more....
Good point about St. Clair and the Nats, particularly their rotation. If Shawn Hill could remain healthy it would be even more impressive. As bad as the lineup's hitting has been, it's fundamentally not as awful as, say, the Mariners'. Injuries have taken their toll, limiting Nick Johnson and Ryan Zimmerman or knocking them out of action for extended periods. The important thing is that there's a lot more upside here than a place like Seattle. Lastings Milledge, Elijah Dukes and Wily Mo Pena may not live up to they hype, but I'd rather see what they can do than watching the death throes of Richie Sexson's career and the half-dozen battles to get OBPs over .300 in that lineup. (Jay Jaffe) |
| 2008-03-03 13:00:00 | Dave Duncan has fallen in love with Clay Mortensen. Do you think he could move up the rankings this year? (Chris from St. Louis) | He could, but at the same time, what does that really mean. Is there a Cardinals pitching prospect that Duncan is talking about how much he hates? Of course not, so take all of those kind of comments with a grain of salt. That's nothing against Mortensen, that's just saying that Dave Duncan's public statement don't change anything about what we know about him. (Kevin Goldstein) |
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