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Career Summary
Years IP W L SV SO ERA WARP
10 1432.3 84 83 0 1050 4.49 13.9
Birth Date9-8-1978
Height6' 3"
Weight180 lbs
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WARP Summary

Standard

YEAR TEAM AGE G GS IP IP-SP IP-RP W L SV BS QS BQS PA H R ER HR TB BB UBB HBP SO ERA FIP FRA VORP WARP
1999 SEA 20 16 15 85.7 84.0 1.7 8 4 0 0 9 1 375 73 48 45 9 122 57 56 2 47 4.73 5.54 6.64 -1.2 -0.1
2000 SEA 21 15 15 85.7 85.7 0.0 4 4 0 0 6 0 363 75 37 36 7 112 40 40 1 60 3.78 4.32 4.26 16.1 1.5
2003 SEA 24 32 32 186.3 186.3 0.0 15 13 0 0 15 4 785 187 97 95 30 312 63 61 3 130 4.59 4.85 5.11 18.4 1.9
2004 SEA 25 23 23 127.7 127.7 0.0 7 7 0 0 9 0 565 139 73 71 21 244 47 47 5 99 5.01 4.96 5.06 15.0 1.5
2005 SEA 26 29 26 143.3 139.7 3.7 10 8 0 0 9 1 638 153 92 81 18 240 72 71 2 83 5.09 5.08 5.35 2.9 0.5
2006 SEA 27 32 32 186.7 186.7 0.0 11 8 0 0 15 0 811 183 106 93 24 305 84 82 8 156 4.48 4.67 5.07 18.6 1.7
2007 KCA 28 34 34 216.0 216.0 0.0 9 13 0 0 23 1 906 218 98 88 22 329 62 60 3 156 3.67 4.09 4.73 26.9 2.5
2008 KCA 29 34 34 210.3 210.3 0.0 14 11 0 0 21 1 886 204 98 93 19 313 73 71 0 183 3.98 3.64 4.34 30.9 3.4
2009 KCA 30 23 23 129.0 129.0 0.0 6 10 0 0 9 1 581 144 81 73 17 237 58 58 3 95 5.09 4.80 5.80 7.4 0.9
2010 KCA 31 20 9 61.7 48.7 13.0 0 5 0 0 2 0 281 65 42 39 9 106 38 35 2 41 5.69 5.56 5.78 2.1 0.2
Career2582431432.31414.018.384830011896191144177271417623205945812910504.494.605.08137.213.9

Advanced

'opp' stats - Quality of opponents faced - have been moved and are available only as OPP_QUAL in the Statistics reports now.
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YEAR Team Lg G GS IP FRA FRA+ TAv oppAVG oppOBP oppSLG oppTAv BABIP PPF PVORP PWARP VORP WARP
1997 WIS A 2 2 12.0 0.00 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .355 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1997 EVE A- 12 12 74.7 0.00 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .309 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1998 WIS A 26 26 149.0 0.00 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1999 SEA MLB 16 15 85.7 6.64 72 .258 .278 .345 .438 .263 .246 98 -1.2 -0.1 -1.2 -0.1
1999 NHV AA 10 10 59.0 0.00 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1999 TAC AAA 6 6 31.0 0.00 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
2000 SEA MLB 15 15 85.7 4.26 112 .234 .277 .349 .448 .266 .267 91 16.1 1.5 16.1 1.5
2000 WIS A 1 1 5.0 0.00 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
2000 EVE A- 1 1 1.0 0.00 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
2000 TAC AAA 3 3 14.0 0.00 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
2002 SAN AA 25 13 65.0 0.00 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .316 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
2003 SEA MLB 32 32 186.3 5.11 94 .254 .267 .333 .431 .264 .281 98 18.5 1.8 18.4 1.9
2004 SEA MLB 23 23 127.7 5.06 100 .276 .273 .340 .442 .264 .300 101 15.0 1.5 15.0 1.5
2004 TAC AAA 10 10 57.0 0.00 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .275 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
2005 SEA MLB 29 26 143.3 5.35 83 .284 .269 .332 .429 .267 .292 96 1.5 0.2 2.9 0.5
2006 SEA MLB 32 32 186.7 5.07 99 .260 .272 .337 .437 .260 .295 102 19.0 1.9 18.6 1.7
2007 KCA MLB 34 34 216.0 4.73 106 .245 .274 .342 .432 .268 .296 103 27.4 2.7 26.9 2.5
2008 KCA MLB 34 34 210.3 4.34 110 .246 .270 .338 .428 .266 .303 102 30.9 3.1 30.9 3.4
2009 KCA MLB 23 23 129.0 5.80 85 .279 .267 .336 .428 .263 .311 105 5.9 0.6 7.4 0.9
2009 OMA AAA 2 2 8.7 5.84 41 .177 .299 .366 .460 .302 .136 79 -0.8 -0.1 -0.8 -0.1
2010 KCA MLB 20 9 61.7 5.78 87 .275 .266 .331 .408 .256 .293 114 2.1 0.2 2.1 0.2
2010 NWA AA 1 1 4.0 3.15 115 .215 .243 .309 .368 .252 .200 82 0.6 0.1 0.6 0.1
2010 OMA AAA 4 1 8.7 5.33 85 .307 .283 .364 .439 .278 .321 92 0.2 0.0 0.2 0.0

Statistics For All Levels

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Year Team Lg W L SV G GS IP H BB SO HR GB% BABIP H/9 BB/9 HR/9 K/9 WHIP ERA VORP WARP
1997 WIS A 0 2 0 2 2 12.0 12 4 14 1 0% .355 9.0 3.0 0.8 10.5 1.33 3.00 0.0 0.0
1997 EVE A- 3 4 0 12 12 74.7 75 24 62 7 0% .309 9.0 2.9 0.8 7.5 1.33 3.98 0.0 0.0
1998 WIS A 8 7 0 26 26 149.0 136 63 168 9 0% .000 8.2 3.8 0.5 10.1 1.34 3.44 0.0 0.0
1999 SEA MLB 8 4 0 16 15 85.7 73 57 47 9 41% .246 7.7 6.0 0.9 4.9 1.52 4.73 -1.2 -0.1
1999 TAC AAA 2 2 0 6 6 31.0 31 13 24 3 0% .000 9.0 3.8 0.9 7.0 1.42 3.19 0.0 0.0
1999 NHV AA 3 4 0 10 10 59.0 51 26 56 3 0% .000 7.8 4.0 0.5 8.5 1.31 3.05 0.0 0.0
2000 SEA MLB 4 4 0 15 15 85.7 75 40 60 7 47% .267 7.9 4.2 0.7 6.3 1.34 3.78 16.1 1.5
2000 WIS A 0 0 0 1 1 5.0 1 2 6 0 0% .000 1.8 3.6 0.0 10.8 0.60 0.00 0.0 0.0
2000 TAC AAA 1 1 0 3 3 14.0 10 10 15 1 0% .000 6.4 6.4 0.6 9.6 1.43 3.86 0.0 0.0
2000 EVE A- 0 1 0 1 1 1.0 3 0 0 0 0% .000 27.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 3.00 9.00 0.0 0.0
2002 SAN AA 4 6 0 25 13 65.0 68 32 56 8 0% .316 9.4 4.4 1.1 7.8 1.54 6.51 0.0 0.0
2003 SEA MLB 15 13 0 32 32 186.3 187 63 130 30 39% .281 9.0 3.0 1.4 6.3 1.34 4.59 18.4 1.9
2004 TAC AAA 1 3 0 10 10 57.0 55 27 45 8 0% .275 8.7 4.3 1.3 7.1 1.44 5.05 0.0 0.0
2004 SEA MLB 7 7 0 23 23 127.7 139 47 99 21 36% .300 9.8 3.3 1.5 7.0 1.46 5.01 15.0 1.5
2005 SEA MLB 10 8 0 29 26 143.3 153 72 83 18 41% .292 9.6 4.5 1.1 5.2 1.57 5.09 2.9 0.5
2006 SEA MLB 11 8 0 32 32 186.7 183 84 156 24 45% .295 8.8 4.0 1.2 7.5 1.43 4.48 18.6 1.7
2007 KCA MLB 9 13 0 34 34 216.0 218 62 156 22 48% .296 9.1 2.6 0.9 6.5 1.30 3.67 26.9 2.5
2008 KCA MLB 14 11 0 34 34 210.3 204 73 183 19 40% .303 8.7 3.1 0.8 7.8 1.32 3.98 30.9 3.4
2009 KCA MLB 6 10 0 23 23 129.0 144 58 95 17 49% .311 10.0 4.0 1.2 6.6 1.57 5.09 7.4 0.9
2009 OMA AAA 1 1 0 2 2 8.7 3 7 4 0 55% .136 3.1 7.2 0.0 4.1 1.15 3.10 -0.8 -0.1
2010 NWA AA 0 0 0 1 1 4.0 2 3 3 0 30% .200 4.5 6.8 0.0 6.8 1.25 0.00 0.6 0.1
2010 OMA AAA 0 1 0 4 1 8.7 10 4 6 1 45% .321 10.3 4.1 1.0 6.2 1.61 8.28 0.2 0.0
2010 KCA MLB 0 5 0 20 9 61.7 65 38 41 9 45% .293 9.5 5.5 1.3 6.0 1.67 5.69 2.1 0.2

Plate Discipline

YEAR PITCHES ZONE_RT SWING_RT CONTACT_RT Z_SWING_RT O_SWING_RT Z_CONTACT_RT O_CONTACT_RT SW_STRK_RT
2008 3514 0.5205 0.4637 0.7979 0.6435 0.2677 0.8683 0.6142 0.2015
2009 2235 0.4957 0.4326 0.8313 0.6327 0.2351 0.8645 0.7434 0.1677
2010 1099 0.5041 0.4397 0.8565 0.6065 0.2661 0.9107 0.7310 0.1393
Career68480.50980.44970.81820.6340.25680.87390.67510.1805

Injury History

Date On Date Off Transaction Days Games Side Body Part Injury Severity Surgery Date Reaggravation
2010-07-09 2010-07-09 On-Alr 0 0 Right Elbow Soreness -
2010-05-26 2010-09-01 60-DL 98 86 Right Shoulder Inflammation Bursitis -
2010-03-26 2010-04-11 15-DL 16 5 Right Shoulder Stiffness -
2009-08-30 2009-10-05 DTD 36 33 Right Shoulder Fatigue -
2009-07-12 2009-08-13 15-DL 32 26 Low Back Strain -
2009-06-26 2009-06-26 DTD 0 0 Right Arm Fatigue -
2009-04-28 2009-04-28 DTD 0 0 Low Back Tightness -
2009-03-02 2009-03-06 Camp 4 0 Low Back Soreness -
2008-04-11 2008-04-11 DTD 0 0 Left Thigh Contusion Batted Ball -
2006-08-17 2006-08-26 DTD 9 8 Right Forearm Soreness -
2006-03-06 2006-03-13 Camp 7 0 Abdomen Soreness Oblique -
2005-08-20 2005-09-16 15-DL 27 25 Right Knee Inflammation Patellar Tendinitis -
2005-07-28 2005-07-28 DTD 0 0 Right Shoulder Stiffness -
2005-04-28 2005-04-28 DTD 0 0 General Medical Respiratory Flu -
2001-10-03 2001-10-03 On-Alr 0 0 Right Shoulder Surgery AC Joint 2001-10-03
2001-04-01 2001-10-22 60-DL 204 162 Right Shoulder Surgery Frayed Labrum 2001-02-05
2000-07-31 2000-10-18 60-DL 79 58 Right Shoulder Strain - -
2000-05-29 2000-06-13 15-DL 15 13 Right Shoulder Inflammation - -

Compensation

Year Team Salary
2010 KCA $12,400,000
2009 KCA $11,400,000
2008 KCA $11,400,000
2007 KCA $7,400,000
2006 SEA $3,700,000
2005 SEA $2,535,000
2004 SEA $1,950,000
2003 SEA $325,000
2001 SEA $275,000
2000 SEA $252,500
YearsDescriptionSalary
10 yrPrevious$51,637,500
10 yrTotal$51,637,500

 

Service TimeAgentContract Status
9 y 29 dCasey Close, Greg Landry5 years/$55M (2007-11)

Details
  • 5 years/$55M (2007-11). Signed by Kansas City as a free agent 12/06. $2M signing bonus. 07:$7M, 08:$11M, 09:$11M, 10:$12M, 11:$12M. No-trade protection. Award bonuses. Retired 1/11, forfeiting salary in final year of contract.
  • 1 year/$3.7M (2006). Re-signed by Seattle 1/06 (avoided arbitration, $4.2M-$3.35M). $0.225M bonuses ($25,000 for 190 innings pitched, $50,000 for 200 innings pitched, $75,000 each 210, 220 innings pitched).
  • 1 year/$3.525M (2005). Re-signed by Seattle 1/05 (avoided arbitration).
  • 1 year/$1.95M (2004). Re-signed by Seattle 1/04 (avoided arbitration).
  • 1 year/$0.325M (2003). Re-signed by Seattle 2/27/03.
  • Drafted by Seattle 1996 (1-22) (Acadiana HS, Lafayette, La.).

2014 Preseason Forecast

Last Update: 3/11/2014 05:35 ET

PCT W L SV G GS IP H BB SO HR BABIP WHIP ERA FRA VORP WARP
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Diagnostics

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Upside By Year

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Comparable Players (Similarity Index )

Rank Score Name Year Run Average Trend

BP Annual Player Comments

YearComment
2011 It is far more fun to pretend that Trey Hillman was fired due to the restraining order that Meche took out after the manager repeatedly attempted to murder what remained of his arm than it is to acknowledge that he was done in by mere incompetence. The damage done to Meche during the Dead Arm Days of 2009 did not heal, and he spent most of last season either absent from the mound or getting shelled. When he returned from a shoulder-related 60-day DL stint in September, Meche pitched in relief and showed some promise in that role, recording 7.6 strikeouts per nine innings pitched and a 2.8 K/BB with a fastball that sat at 93. At $12 million, he would make for a pricey bullpen arm in 2011, but an expensive and effective reliever would be preferable to a third straight year of disappointing, injury-riddled rotation work at the same price tag. Ned Yost is on board with the idea of using Meche in short stints, so that's likely what his future holds.
2010 After two years of better-than-expected performances, the pitcher with the biggest contract in franchise history finally lived down to his pre-Royals rep as fragile and ineffective, battling back spasms and then a dead arm before finally being done in by a managerial assassination attempt: after two poor outings at the end of June after which Meche complained of a dead arm, Hillman left him out for 121 and 114 pitches in consecutive starts. He pitched only one more time before going on the DL with a bad back. He returned 33 days later, pitched four bad outings in August which increased his ERA from 4.50 to 5.09, and was then shut down for the rest of the season with shoulder inflammation. Like Don Corleone, Meche has survived the hit, but we won't know until the season starts whether he'll go on, albeit in enfeebled fashion, make a full recovery, or see Sollozzo make another attempt on his life.
2009 The Epic turned in another solid season, joining CC Sabathia, Bronson Arroyo, Ted Lilly, and Brandon Webb as the only pitchers to make at least 34 starts in both 2007 and '08. This combination of durability and success places a feather in the cap of Moore, who was seemingly the only person in the universe who felt the injury-prone righty was worthy of a five-year, $55 million contract three offseasons ago. That deal now stands as a bargain. The Royals need to exploit Meche's transformation by putting together a contender soon, especially since a no-trade clause eliminates management's ability to cash in by selling high.
2008 In 1987, Danny Jackson finished 9-18 for the Royals despite an above-average 4.02 ERA. Even though he had the lowest run support in the American League that year, Jackson was labeled a pitcher who just didn't "know how to win, " and the Royals shipped him to Cincinnati for Kurt Stillwell that winter. In 1988, Jackson won 23 games for the Reds. Nineteen years later, Gil Meche went 9-13 for the Royals despite a stellar 3.67 ERA, but by August the papers in Kansas City had changed his name to "Gil Meche, who has the lowest run support of any American League starter " (Carlos Silva nipped him for last place at season's end). Meche's record was properly recognized as an anomaly in what was universally considered a triumphant first season with the Royals, and he was named the team's Pitcher of the Year by the local media. We've come a long way, baby.
2007 Gil Meche leaves town with his commemorative `I Survived Being A Mariners Pitching Prospect and All I Got Was This Lousy Arm Surgery` t-shirt, which, on the back, lists a partial roster of his fallen comrades, fellows such as Ryan Anderson, Jeff Heaverlo, Matt Thornton, Ken Cloude, and Bobby Madritsch. Well, he also gets a five-year, $55-million contract from the Royals. That works out to a guaranteed million dollars for each one of Meche`s career wins. The buyers should beware of his home-road splits: 3.76 ERA, with 8.93 K/9, 3.35 BB/9 and 0.91 HR/9 at cushy Safeco in 2006; 5.14 ERA, 6.24 K/9, 4.68 BB/9, and 1.38 HR/9 on the road, and that road ERA doesn`t count his 10 unearned runs allowed.
2006 Once a fireballing prospect and one of the brightest lights in the Mariner system, Meche had shoulder surgery in early 2001 and hasn`t been the same since. As orthopedic surgeon and TJ pioneer Dr. Frank Jobe has noted, the complexity of the shoulder means that whenever you hear a report stating something like `partial fraying of the rotator cuff,` you can be pretty sure there was also damage to the labrum and other structures, as was the case with Meche. The allure of a young arm slinging 97 mph fastballs drives teams to do some loopy things, and in today`s market, $4 million for a pitcher coming off of a 26-start season isn`t all that loopy. But the M`s are chasing a dream that`s not coming true. Until sports medicine technology takes a big leap forward, Meche`s 2003 (32 starts, 4.59 ERA in a pitcher`s park) is as good as it`s going to get for pitchers coming off major shoulder surgery.
2005 After struggling early, Meche was sent to Tacoma to work on his approach and endurance. He was to work on his endurance by being forced to throw 115-126 pitches every start he made, no matter what that took. He came back a different pitcher entirely.

Pre-anvil treatment: 7.06 ERA, 43.1 IP, 55 H, 6 HR, 29 BB, 41 K
Post-anvil treatment: 3.95 ERA, 84.1 IP, 84 IP, 15 IP, 18 BB, 58 K

The walks that plagued him earlier in the season disappeared as he put more balls into play. Before, more than a third of balls in play turned into hits. After, only a quarter did. Walks and defense, that's all it was. Meche is getting expensive and nearing free agency, which makes the team's decision to risk breaking him in order to turn him into something useful easier to understand.
2003 Not to revive a dead horse for further beating, but when Meche complained about his shoulder and the organization thought he was exaggerating or didnít have the grittiness required to pitch, what did that do to his career? Meche was ostensibly put in Double-A for the warmer weather, and he did okay, considering it was essentially an extended rehab assignment. Mecheís comeback included a stretch on the DL for soreness and "mental things" (seriously, thatís what they said) related to Mecheís problems with putting too much pressure on himself and being unable to pitch. He ended the season throwing in the 90s again, with his curveball breaking. Meche might win a rotation spot in spring training, but given his history, the Mariners would be wise to be extremely cautious with him. So they sent him to the Venezuela winter league, where he got a couple starts and looked really good. Is this the guy you want to be piling innings on, though?
2002 When he was cracked open for the second time by Dr. James Andrews, Meche said, "The first time [...] he didn't really know what to look for, and he didn't see a big problem. So when I was trying to come back, it was the same thing all over again. Hopefully, this time they got it." Mecheís shoulder saga has been going on since mid-2000, when "strained right shoulder" was the best diagnosis a team of baffled specialists could offer. The Mís said his most recent surgery was "exploratory," just as the last one was initially described. Mecheís comments indicate the presence of an impingement that the first operation was supposed to fix and didnít, necessitating the second one. He managed that 2000 line despite something deeply wrong with his shoulder, his velocity coming and going. Meche may return eventually, but history is littered with amazing pitching prospects made mortal by injury; Roger Salkeld comes immediately to mind. If Meche ever comes back, the team will likely have to put him on a Bill Swift-like protection program, either with extremely low pitch counts or a conversion to relief. Depending on his health, Meche could becomes another Troy Percival or a young version of the older Terry Mullholland.
2001 Gil Meche lost 10 mph off his mid-90s fastball last year, sometimes from one inning to the next. Despite being examined at by more doctors than a stripper at an AMA convention, his ailment garnered no more technical description than a "dead arm." Thatís certainly distressing, but his performance while working at such a disadvantage suggests how dominant he could be when healthy. With no substantive diagnosis, the Mariners enter this season unsure what to expect but certain that Mecheís return is crucial to their success.
2000 Go to the head of the class if you saw this coming. Meche was the youngest hurler to advance four levels in less than a year and throw at least 75 league-average innings in the majors since Dwight Gooden lit up the Big Apple as a teenager in 1984. Overworked, Gooden tore his rotator cuff at age 24 and was never the same. There is a lesson to be learned from Goodenís demise. While Piniella deserves credit for using Meche judiciously last year, there is a misguided tendency to increase a young pitcher's workload based on major-league experience instead of age, which is the relevant variable.

With the Mariners, Meche often had difficulty controlling his breaking pitches, so he would abandon them and survive by spotting his fastball. That's not a recipe for continued success.

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DateQuestionAnswer
2011-01-18 13:00:00 (link to chat)1st manager sacked? Who ya got?
(paulbellows from Calgary)
I don't know, but is there a way we can fire Trey Hillman again? Gil Meche just announced his retirement, an event that came about with more than a little help from Hillman falling asleep at the wheel in Kansas City and effectively destroying what remained of Meche's shoulder. (Marc Normandin)
2010-12-20 13:00:00 (link to chat)Given their recent history with getting position players across the gulf from "prospect potential" to actual "big league performance", and given the bus loads of fine prospects they've been amassing recently, should they be making some changes in their minor league operations to try to get the best results from these kids? They've had some fine youngsters just not realize the potential implied by their MLEs. Beltran was a long time ago...
(Cris E from St Paul, MN)
Given the Beltran shout out at the end I was able to deduce that by "they" you mean the Royals. And yes, the Royals should be playing their young players. Nobody goes to their games even with "superstars" like Jose Guillen and Gil Meche, so go ahead and win 66 games with the young guys, let them begin to develop at the MLB level, and see what happens. I don't think it's as much their MiLB operations as it is the way the MLB team operates. Don't sign Francoeur when you have Mitch Maier. Don't look at a third baseman if you have Moustakas. Don't screw with Alex Gordon when he deserves an MLB roster spot, etc. (Eric Seidman)
2010-05-14 13:00:00 (link to chat)It's killing us Mets fans watching Jerry make horrible strategic decisions every day (re: bullpen usage, lineups, bunting, etc.) and directly losing games as a result. Can you think of a manager ever having been fired for incompetence in in-game managing, as opposed to general incompetence (i.e. team is losing too much)?
(Dan from Brooklyn)
Ned Yost's summary execution in September 2008 -- over the mess he made out of the improper usage of LOOGY Brian Shouse -- comes to mind, as does the mess Trey Hillman made out of Gil Meche's start over the weekend. I linked both of those in today's Hit List bit on the Royals. Sleep tight, Dayton Moore. (Jay Jaffe)
2010-04-16 13:00:00 (link to chat)Royals Fever! Catch it! I loved your old work on them. So I keep hearing how their ownership is smarter. So exactly how smart is a team that thinks Jason Kendall and Yuniesky Betancourt help form a strong middle core? And Gil Meche was worth signing to a huge long-term deal......
(dangor from New York)
Royals fan in NYC. They're everywhere. Obviously, they're misguided in their thinking on those players, though not so much Meche. The brass there just values the wrong things, in my opinion. Latest example is Luis Mendoza, who was picked up two days before the end of spring training and four days later was brought in to protect a one-run lead in the eighth. Yeah, he's got a 94 mph sinker. He also doesn't have a track record of, you know, retiring batters.

You'll never catch me calling the Royals dumb because I know Dayton Moore and like the man and he's always been very good to me. I also know that he's not dumb. I just don't agree with the way he evaluates big-league talent. I have hope that he'll redeem himself when some of his pitching prospects hit Kansas City. (Bradford Doolittle)
2010-03-15 16:00:00 (link to chat)do you trade Gil Meche for future usable parts if you were a smart GM? how about if you were KC's current GM?
(KC from KC)
Zing!!! I have a better question. Where exactly is the line of people just dying to trade for Gil Meche? If someone wants him and will give something useful, then yes trade him. Maybe someone will panic at the trading deadline. Maybe Miley Cyrus will answer my e-mails. (Russell A. Carleton)
2010-02-02 13:00:00 (link to chat)Have you heard anything on how Gil Meche is recovering from being ridden like a rented mule?? Have the Royals upgraded their medical staff with the recent changes??
(kcboomer from KC)
He's signed for how many more years in KC? 2? I don't know, it's not like the Royals are contending. I'd deal him the second he looked healthy. And yes, the Royals made a massive upgrade with their staff. (Will Carroll)
2009-08-25 13:00:00 (link to chat)What do you think the future holds for AJ Burnett in terms of health? Is he a former-injury prone pitcher like Gil Meche or is he a big time injury risk going forward?
(Zack from dc)
You'll always have to sweat his arm, as he's rarely been able to string together 65 starts without a DL trip. I would say that the Yankees will get something like 100-110 starts from him over the course of the contract. (Joe Sheehan)
2009-04-20 13:00:00 (link to chat)Joe, what's your take on Edwin Jackson's start to the season? I realize it's only three starts, but it looks like he's cut down on his walk rate. Do you think he can maintain this control as the season goes on?
(Maurice from Brooklyn)
I do. He was just so young when the DOdgers called him up, and then he got traded to the AL East...the talent is there, and the Rays did a very good job with him last year. I don't know that the Tigers are the best place to continue developing, but I think the steps forward we've seen are real, and he'll be a midrotation guy for a while. There's not a star upside, but if you can picture...maybe Gil Meche? Bronson Arroyo? That kind of guy. (Joe Sheehan)
2008-09-16 13:00:00 (link to chat)The surge was the equivalent of the Royals signing Gil Meche - it might net a few extra wins in the short-term but it's not going to fetch a WS. Go big or go home.
(ndubby from sfo)
I love this. Baseball is great for making all kinds of real-world analogies. I recall that the continuation of that FDR comment I quoted earlier, the one about experimentation, was, "I don't expect to make a hit every time at bat, but you have to try..."

Oh, Matt of Ontario, if you want me to follow up on your point, feel free to email me and I'll get back to you. (Steven Goldman)
2008-04-29 14:00:00 (link to chat)re: "sad panda" .... is that a South Park reference? :-) OK ... I need to dump Gil Meche, do I pick up John Danks or Jair Jurrjens? Kyle Lohse isn't for real is he?
(dianagramr from NYC)
Pick up Danks and Jurrjens. Extended exposure to Lohse can severely damage your judgment, even if I was forced to grab him during the playoffs last year. That's a dark time in my life I'd rather not discuss. (Marc Normandin)
2008-02-28 14:00:00 (link to chat)Last off-season, we saw some $ thrown around, reflective of the enormous current revenues for MLB (i.e., Gil Meche rolling around on a pile of $100 bills). This off-season, you have guys like Shannon Stewart, Lohse, etc., practically begging for work. Was this an industry learning more? Or was it just a lack of "name" players?
(Jim Clancy from Exhibition Stadium)
I think more the former than the latter. Take it from experience: you don't have to be a "VORPie" to share a mindset with one about player value. (Christina Kahrl)


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Although he has not thrown an MLB pitch in 2014, Gil Meche threw 8,366 pitches that were tracked by the PITCHf/x system between 2007 and 2010, including pitches thrown in the MLB Regular Season and Spring Training. In 2010, he relied primarily on his Fourseam Fastball (92mph), also mixing in a Cutter (87mph), Curve (77mph) and Change (84mph).