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Ben talks to former Baseball Prospectus editor-in-chief Steven Goldman and Banished to the Pen's Darius Austin about how Warren Spahn avoided the 1950s Dodgers and what we can learn from the way managers used their pitchers when rotations weren't rigid.

Audio intro: Neil Young & Crazy Horse, "Days That Used to Be"
Audio outro: Dr. Dog, "My Old Ways"

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