Joe Sheehan, ineffectively disguising his identity with Groucho nose and
glasses, asks this week’s question:

Dear AFTH Guy,

The Mariners tied the major-league record for wins. Looking past that,
though, where do they rank historically if you look at things like run
differential, or use VORP or like tools to compare them to other great

It’s only natural to want to compare the Mariners’ record-setting season to
the other great teams in baseball history. In the following analysis, I’ll
be using VORP (Value Over Replacement Player) to measure a team’s
performance. VORP is described in detail at,
and the 2001 VORP results are posted at

Let’s start with the offense. The Mariners accumulated a team total of 423.9
VORP, led by Bret Boone‘s 86.7, Edgar Martinez‘s 68.3, and
Ichiro Suzuki‘s 61.0. In addition the Mariners had three more
players with a 30+ VORP (Mike Cameron, John Olerud, and
Mark McLemore). The only players who were below average hitters for
their positions (in at least 300 plate appearances) were David Bell
and Al Martin. Seattle becomes the 13th team to post a total of 400+
offensive VORP:

Year Team             League     VORP

1894 Philadelphia NL 486.2 1927 New York AL 479.6 1896 Baltimore NL 466.8 1930 New York NL 465.9 1931 New York AL 463.2 1897 Baltimore NL 448.2 1894 Baltimore NL 441.6 1895 Philadelphia NL 440.3 1887 Baltimore AA 428.9 2001 Seattle AL 423.9 1936 New York AL 419.3 1891 Boston AA 413.0 2001 San Francisco NL 412.5 1892 Brooklyn NL 400.0

Of course, of the teams listed above, two were from the 19th-century
American Association, and six were from the 1890s after the pitching mound
was moved back to 60 feet, six inches. The only 20th-century teams to
achieve a 400 VORP lineup were the Babe Ruth/Lou Gehrig Yankees of
1927, 1930, and 1931, and the Lou Gehrig Joe DiMaggio/Bill Dickey
Yankees of 1936.

The careful reader will note that another team from this season snuck on to
the above list. The Giants had the top National League player at three
positions–left field, shortstop, and second base. Of course, having a
player post the highest VORP by a position player in history is a good start
towards reaching 400 team VORP. Barry Bonds posted a 154 VORP, a
higher total than eight teams (Angels, Orioles, Royals, Devil Rays, Blue
Jays, Expos, Mets, and Pirates).

The Mariners also led the majors with a 279.5 team pitching VORP, which
squeaks into the top 50 all-time team pitching performances. Combining
offense and pitching, the Mariners achieved a total of 703.4 VORP, the
second highest total in history:

Year Team             League     VORP

1927 New York AL 760.3 2001 Seattle AL 703.4 1936 New York AL 682.8 1939 New York AL 680.7 1896 Baltimore NL 680.1 1897 Baltimore NL 674.4 1998 New York AL 647.9 1898 Baltimore NL 635.9 1948 Cleveland AL 634.3 1891 Boston AA 629.9 1998 Houston NL 623.8 1911 New York NL 623.2 1890 Louisville AA 622.7 1894 Baltimore NL 618.8 1912 New York NL 616.9 1931 New York AL 616.1 1998 Atlanta NL 608.8 1887 Baltimore AA 608.7 1996 Cleveland AL 607.3 1895 Baltimore NL 604.6 1932 New York AL 604.5 1905 New York NL 604.2 1937 New York AL 603.8

Few will be surprised by the presence of the ’27 Yankees atop the list (and
nearly a full Ichiro ahead of the 2001 Mariners at that). The Baltimore
Orioles of the National League in the mid-to-late 1890s are possibly the
greatest unheralded team ever–they posted five straight years with winning
percentages of at least .644, equivalent to 105 wins in a 162-game season.
The 1906 Cubs, who won 116 games, totaled just 563 team VORP, though that
was in a much lower run-scoring environment. The 111-win Indians of 1954
compiled a VORP of 519.

So where do the Mariners rank? Well, they have the second-highest team VORP
ever, tied for the most wins ever, and have the fifth-highest winning
percentage in the post-1893 era. They’re a balanced team, leading the majors
in both offensive and pitching VORP. They’re definitely one of the top five
teams of all time, and arguably second behind the 1927 Yankees.

One bit of bad news for the Mariners–winning a lot of games doesn’t
guarantee post-season success. Of the five teams who’ve won at least 110
games during the season, only three have won the World Series–and a .600
winning percentage is a letdown for teams of this caliber.

Keith Woolner is an author of Baseball Prospectus. You can contact him by
clicking here.

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