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December 13, 2008, 01:23 PM ET
Groucho, Ghosts, and Getting In

by Will Carroll

Christina Kahrl did a great job, better than what I can do, in saying what gaining membership to the Baseball Writers Association of America means for Baseball Prospectus in announcing our inclusion on Wednesday. But what does it mean for me and for what I do going forward? That’s the more interesting question.

At first, the answer was ‘nothing’; membership in the organization meant no significant changes. It was, after all, the work I’d done that got me to this place, so why change? I would have more access, being able to go to games in places where the teams haven’t been quite so forward looking about access to press boxes and clubhouses. Access is nice, but it’s not going to change what I write. I do a sourced column about 30 teams, so being in Cincinnati or Chicago, the closest major league cities, isn’t going to give UTK a big bump. If anything, I guess I can plan ahead to a trip to St. Louis this summer.

There will be occasions when my path will fortuitously cross with an injured player, giving me the chance to get a first hand account. Aside from that, I’ll still be doing what I do and just as importantly, not doing what I don’t do.

So far, BBWAA members have been nothing but gracious. They seem as excited about having BP in there as we do about being there. I’m not going to lobby them to use VORP in their stories, but I think they’ll begin to see us not as those snarky guys who write a blog, but people who love baseball and look at it from an analytical, evidence-based mindset whenever possible. The ability to sit down and talk baseball will be an opportunity for us to learn from each other. I can imagine some managers can look forward to some questions they haven’t heard before in press conferences. I hope Ozzie Guillen has read up on his military history.

For me, though, this is much more about meaning than about change. I thought a lot about Doug Pappas on Wednesday after the announcement. He should have been the first with a card saying “Baseball Prospectus” at the bottom. It’s a validation, albeit an unneeded one, for the vision of Gary Huckabay, the behind the scenes work of Clay Davenport, the clarion writing of Joe Sheehan, and many more. It’s a validation of the readers and subscribers, saying that yes, this kind of content from this kind of organization is valid.

There’s one other point that hasn’t been brought up by many, and that is that our inclusion is in large part because this is our job. Christina and I, as well as several others at BP, live and breathe baseball, but we also do this to pay the bills. We saw all too clearly that many in the organization are being visited by the bad economy and the death of newspapers. The BBWAA exists as a trade union for those professional writers, dealing with the issues that face them, such as access to teams, travel, and other business. While many others can make an argument on quality of work, I also believe that one must be a professional writer, one who’s main and indeed only job is that of writing about baseball. (I’ll make a slight exception for other sports, if you’ll allow me to indulge my football gig a bit.)

I don’t doubt for a bit that people out there like Alex Belth, Rich Lederer, or Derek Zumsteg write on par with anyone and far exceed my writing talent, but Alex is an accountant, Rich is in investments, and Derek is a full-time curmudgeon - oh wait, he’s a project manager too. I hope that teams will grant them credentials, but I know that some won’t. I was just in their shoes. Perhaps the inclusion of BP will make teams step back and think next time a net-based writer applies to come to a game. I also hope that more writers like me — especially ones from BP — come up for me to vote “yes” on in coming years.

Most of all, it’s an honor. While others may make the Groucho Marx argument, point to a dinosaur or ten in the membership, or the Edinson Volquez flub as strikes against the BBWAA, I’m proud to stand beside people I considered heroes - Peter Gammons, Ken Rosenthal, Tracy Ringolsby, and Hal McCoy to name but a few - and now they’re colleagues and in some cases, friends. I may not be able to vote for Tim Raines yet, but someday, our votes will be counted alongside others, those who came before us and after us.

Seven years ago, I walked into the Opryland hotel, wide-eyed and not knowing what to expect. I had no real reason to be there, having completed my first season of sending out an email to friends that talked about injuries. My dad talked me into going, I think because he thought I’d get a job. I hoped to meet Peter Gammons, Rob Neyer, and Joe Sheehan. (I still haven’t met Rob …) As I made my first long walk through the lobbies of the Opryland, I happened across Gammons, wearing a suit and New Balance sneakers. He greeted me warmly and I tried to stammer out thanks for helping me by mentioning UTK.

I ran into him in the hallway at the Bellagio. We were both wearing sneakers and we were both members of the BBWAA. Amid the bells and whistles of Vegas, I think I saw Doug Pappas. He was smiling.

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drmorris

I agree -- as validating as this must feel for you (and for us), it's pretty much just business as usual for BP. It's *not* business as usual for the BBWAA, for which this really is a watershed moment.

I'm proud of the BBWAA for its recognition that media is no longer a business of scarcity; as with so many other industries, the Internet has democratized it in wonderful ways. (The newspapers and magazines now enduring various stages of financial collapse are learning this the hardest way possible.) This realization feels obvious to a lot of people, but as I've seen first-hand, the "legacy media" has been very slow to fully awaken to the fact. Credit is due the baseball writers who appreciated this inexorable reality and finally embraced it.

This is not a validation of "the stathead revolution" nearly so much as it's a validation of the plain truth that the Internet is at least as relevant a news source as the daily sports page, and within a generation the debate over its accreditation will look positively quaint.

Dec 13, 2008 10:54 AM
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BP staff member Will Carroll
BP staff

Very well said, Dr.

Dec 13, 2008 11:20 AM
 
Brecken

Congrats on the spot. I'll admit I thought at first it was you two because you had the 10 years of service, not that you'll now have to wait another 10 to get the vote...

Dec 13, 2008 11:09 AM
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Scott D. Simon

Will, just FYI, this unfiltered post shows that you're capable of crafting a great piece when you put your mind to it. We love your reporting on injuries, but don't denigrate your own ability to write.

Dec 13, 2008 13:43 PM
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pondertex
(447)

Go to Yankee Stadium and take a victory lap around the pressbox.

Dec 13, 2008 14:00 PM
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cggarb

I agree that the BBWAA should be for full-time baseball writers. The thing is, that provision should eliminate 35% of the current membership.

Lots of great columnists and great guys on that list, but they sure aren't full-time baseball writers.

Congratulations.

Dec 13, 2008 19:49 PM
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Brian Oakchunas

Congrats. Were the two of you the first and only 'internet-only' writers to be admitted or were there others?

Dec 14, 2008 10:57 AM
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Matt Hunter

Rob Neyer, Keith Law as well Brian

Dec 14, 2008 11:27 AM
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Jon Morse
(911)

On a tangent, it's telling that y'all got your cards the same week that the two big papers in Detroit announced that they're only going to deliver papers two days a week, instead offering their subscribers PDFs online the other five days. That coincidence, more than anything, demonstrates why this is the right thing for the BBWAA to be doing.

Dec 14, 2008 23:29 PM
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Brian Kopec

Yup...these latest admissions are validation for the BBWAA...not for the newly admitted. For them, no further validation was needed.

Dec 15, 2008 06:21 AM
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radarbinder

The existence of BP was a logical extension of the work of Bill James and his early cohorts to bring the fan's attention to ways and means to further explore the game and the meaning of the statistics which were and could be generated. I have been a Sabrguy since Bill was publishing his paperbound yearly Abstracts (which I still miss, darn it!). BP has done a wonderful job and I applaud you and agree with briankopec that inclusion into the BBWA is an upgrade for them rather than you. You guys have been groundbreaking and fascinating and absolutely deserving!

Dec 15, 2008 09:58 AM
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Peter Gammons

Considering Under the Knife is the most important read in the industry, the pleasure of knowing you is mine.'
Now, can I talk you into Alan Trammell...?

Dec 15, 2008 10:32 AM
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BP staff member Will Carroll
BP staff

Trammell would get my vote, but I don't think he'll still be eligible in 2018!

Dec 15, 2008 12:30 PM
 
sbnirish77

Hopefully this will bring a more structured editiorial review to the articles written here.

Dec 15, 2008 11:11 AM
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John Carter

Will you not be able to vote on Hall of Fame and MVP matters next year?

Dec 15, 2008 12:26 PM
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BP staff member Will Carroll
BP staff

Ten years.

Dec 15, 2008 12:28 PM
 
BP staff member Will Carroll
BP staff

Correction - ten years for HOF, other yearly votes are apportioned by the chapter.

Dec 15, 2008 12:28 PM
 
Matt L.

I could be wrong, but I believe the end of year awards are largely handed out to local beat writers who cover a specific team.

Dec 15, 2008 12:46 PM
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BP staff member Will Carroll
BP staff

Matt, you're right because that's by and large the membership of the chapters, but now, there's a couple of us who aren't beat writers. As I said, they're distributed by the chapter presidents. John Perrotto could probably speak to this a lot better than I could.

Dec 16, 2008 12:45 PM
 
Dr. Dave

I'll second the nod to Gary Huckabay -- without his dream and drive, BP wouldn't have happened, or wouldn't have happened effectively. Take a bow, Gary -- this BBWAA's for you.

And Doug, I hope you're watching. We haven't forgotten.

Dec 15, 2008 18:23 PM
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godfather

wtf cares? follow game, make up own mind re the deserving....or not...the idea that a great needs a hall pass from self-serving hall monitors is ludicrous

Dec 24, 2008 16:27 PM
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