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October 20, 2009, 06:50 PM ET
Loading Up: Rivera and the Spitball

by Will Carroll

When the controversy of the “did he or didn’t he” spitball came up today, I immediately consulted the expert on spitballs, Mat Kovach. His work on the illegal pitch is amazing and he’s one of few people I know who understand the lost art of loading the ball up. I asked him for his take on Mariano Rivera’s YouTube moment:

“Alright, talk of the ever elusive spitball! Oh wait, an optical illusion that makes it look like Mariano Rivera spit on the ball? Drat!

“When I first saw the video, I had to laugh. Nobody would load their spitball by actually spitting on it. Running the video frame by frame showed that Rivera was spitting off to the side of the mound and if you follow the spit, you can see it pass the ball as the transition to the Angels dugout is occurring. I don’t care how long you look at it; you won’t see the boat .. umm … spit hit the ball.

“There any many ways to load up a spitball, or the scuffball, but I’ll focus on the spitter. None of them include standing on the mound in front of the world and depositing an enormous amount of spit on it. Based on research of many former spitballers, including Bob Shaw and his Hall of Fame student Gaylord Perry, it is a very simple, secret process. Even during the days of legal spitters, people rarely saw a pitcher load one up. You need to look for it; you aren’t going to see it by accident.

“A pitcher will have a source of something slippery: spit, Vaseline, KY Jelly, baby powder, etc., but let’s just call it spit. He might get spit from his mouth, hide it on his hat, between his legs, on his waist. Heck he might just sweat enough!

“Typically the pitcher will first transfer the spit to the glove. Move the ball into their glove getting some on baseball in the horseshoe part between the seams. Then, they’ll rub that in, either in the glove or by removing the glove and rubbing the ball in both hands. Pitchers are always rubbing the ball, so the key here is the transfer. They’ll make sure to get some spit on their index and middle fingertips.

“With the ball and fingertips loaded, they will make a move to the rosin bag, bounce it around and not touch their fingertips. Touch the rubber and look for the sign. Maybe signal to the catcher to indicate what is coming, or he just might surprise the catcher.

“When the pitcher grips the ball, he’ll touch his fingertips to the load spot on the ball, making sure the rest of the fingers are raised up off the ball. A typical fastball wind up is used, but instead of throwing the ball and allowing it to just roll off the fingers, the ball will be squeezed out like it is a watermelon seed when he does his normal pronation of the wrist. (This is the hardest part of the pitch, getting the wrist action and squeeze timed right.)

Yes, there are variations to loading it up, but the basic principle is the same. Spit to ball. Rub ball. Spit on fingers. Rosin bag. Fingertip grip. Squeeze it out. This is the most common why that absolutely is not use in the game today. Really. Never Happens.

“Then the ‘evil’ spitball will look like a fastball, albeit about 4-5 MPH slower. The real trick is in squeezing the ball and the slippery points which greatly reduces the spin. With the slower speed and lack of spin, the ball will be effected by gravity more; appearing to drop like a rock. Joe Posnaski wrote in The Soul of Baseball that Tony Oliva and Buck O’Neil had a conversation saying there was no such thing as a split-finger fastball, there are just spitballs. That is what a batter will see when a good spitball is thrown, a split-finger fastball. The spitter is just a little bit less taxing on the elbow.

Why yes, I think the spitball should be legal. Help save the pitcher!

“Mariano Rivera’s grip and motion just would not work for a spitball. He grips his pitches tightly with both fingers, keeps his wrist fairly straight and controls the movement by adjusting how the ball rolls off his middle finger. His follow through doesn’t have the snap or pop that spitballers have.

“So no, Mo didn’t load up a spitball. But does that mean either championship series is void of spitballs? (insert Steroids Era joke here)”

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BobbyRoberto
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What?! Talk of spitballs in the playoffs? I thought the Cardinals were eliminated! Oh wait, Dave Duncan specializes in the "scuff" ball, not the spitball.

Oct 20, 2009 17:49 PM
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Mat Kovach

Kinda funny how, after the 70's, the spitball/scuff ball path crosses Cleveland often.

Oct 20, 2009 18:24 PM
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Swingingbunts
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Will, not to change the subject but what's the word on Pujols' surgery? Could it explain his lack of power down the stretch? Will he be ready for spring training?

Oct 20, 2009 17:57 PM
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phillipsburg74
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If the goal of posting a salacious title is to generate hits, congratulations. However, I think it's slightly reckless to link "The Great" Rivera (as the superlative Jon Miller always refers to him) with the spitball in your headline. It would be akin to posting, "Will Carroll Comes Out" as the headline and inside the article, the full title, "Will Carroll Comes Out Against Misinformation."

Oct 20, 2009 19:57 PM
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pcanderson

Except that the only reason anyone's talking about is because Rivera has some people accusing him of throwing a spitter. It's not reckless or salacious. In fact the post did everything I expect BP to be doing: we not only find out that Rivera wasn't doctoring -- which I suspect people knew anyway -- but you also discover that the "spitball" is misnamed. It's better as "spitter" or even "spit-pitch." Loading up is only part of it. The technique of throwing it -- just like the technique of a cutter or a curveball -- is the key to a good one. ("The ball will be squeezed out like it is a watermelon seed when he does his normal pronation of the wrist. This is the hardest part of the pitch, getting the wrist action and squeeze timed right.") Where else are you going to find that kind of stuff but at BP? Salacious is a swimsuit issue posing as a sports magazine; reckless is a media conglomerate whose "analysts" are shills.

Oct 21, 2009 05:01 AM
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agentsteel53

"I don’t care how long you look at it William Black’s out there, you won’t see the boat .. umm … spit hit the ball."

I alas cannot parse this.

Oct 20, 2009 20:31 PM
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molnar
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eVo7aBze1w#t=0m53s

Oct 21, 2009 16:28 PM
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gaborde

There have been a LOT of typos on BP recently, and not just in unfiltered. I'm available if y'all need a copy editor, haha.

Oct 21, 2009 01:38 AM
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Patrick

I agree. I'm not usually one to nitpick, but it's distracting and not hard to fix.

Oct 21, 2009 07:18 AM
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3n2sports

I threw a modified spitter my first couple years of D-III play using sweat (if any of you have seen Andy Ashby pitch, I sweat like him). I dropped it from my repertoire because I had no control over the damn thing, but loading it up is very easy to do. I actually learned it from Joe Kerrigan who was giving a talk about pitching. The grip he demoed was Vicente Padilla's "sinker"

Oct 21, 2009 11:48 AM
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Richard Bergstrom

Maybe it was a neighborhood spitball. Spit near enough to the ball so batters might think, in the future, that you'll throw a real one, but not close enough for the umpires to throw you out of the game.

Oct 21, 2009 17:23 PM
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Richard Bergstrom

If pitchers can transfer the spit or substance to the glove before the ball... then isn't it possible to just spit in their glove? Perhaps in a mound conference where a pitcher shields his mouth with the glove? I know there's a rule where you can't go to your mouth while on the mound with your pitching hand, but I'm not sure if that extends to the glove hand.

Oct 24, 2009 13:12 PM
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BP staff member Will Carroll
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Very possible. Problem with spit is that it dries up quickly and isn't really that slippery.

Oct 24, 2009 13:23 PM
 
Mat Kovach

Spitting into the glove would be to obvious. The art of loading the spitter is based on being *specifically* non-obvious. The MLB rules on spitters are a bit non-specific, but spitting into the glove is going to raise the eyebrows on the umps.

Lastly, in reality, spit is the typically the last choice of lubricant for a spitballer.

Oct 24, 2009 19:34 PM
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Richard Bergstrom

I realize spit is the last choice and that there are other, slicker substances that are better. But the basic idea of touching your glove to your face or covering your mouth still applies. What if you had a slick substance on your nose, your cheeks, or maybe something even more innocuous like your knee. Rub your knee with your glove to get the substance transferred to the glove, then apply it to the ball and the fingers. I mean, it's not like throwing spitballs are an exact science, and as Will mentioned, more a function of the squeeze and pronation, so there is some room for lubing tactics besides the supposed "I blow in my hand" idea.

Oct 25, 2009 00:50 AM
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prs130

I throw a boogerball. Catchers describe it as "gross."

Oct 24, 2009 22:19 PM
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