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February 4, 2009, 09:33 PM ET
The THR’s Are Here!

by Will Carroll

Yes, the THR Spreadsheet is now available! (If you don’t see it, it’s in the top table there.) As promised, I got it out before February 15th, so early bird drafters … Happy Birthday!

Remember, the colors themselves are only part of the story. Each rating has a reason behind it and for that, you’ll need to read the Team Health Reports themselves. Those will start Monday and continue through February and March. Once teams open up their Spring Training Camps, Under The Knife will start up as well, coming in each Friday to update you on the injury situations around the league. UTK goes near-daily on Opening Day.

So enjoy, discuss, and prepare.

37 comments have been left for this post.

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Ilya
(31373)

Yovani Gallardo green?

Feb 04, 2009 19:02 PM
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BP staff member Will Carroll
BP staff
(1112)

Gallardo kind of broke the system. His arm is fine, he looked good before and after the broken leg, and that's not the sort of thing that should recur. The question is what his workload should be before he gets too risky and PECOTA's projection for him isn't that high, so ...

Feb 04, 2009 20:50 PM
 
Matt L.
(27995)

I thought Gallardo tore his ACL?

Feb 05, 2009 06:46 AM
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Fresh Hops
(41607)

Why not? One of the biggest fallacies you see in fantasy bsaeball is that if a player got injured he's likely to get injured again. The sample size (one season) is maximally small. You have to assess whether the player's problem is something systemtemic or accidental. In case of tearing an ACL while trying to field a blooper in front of the mound, I'd say accidental.

Feb 05, 2009 10:17 AM
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nsmith3
(34314)

I guess I won't draft Erstad in the first round.

Feb 04, 2009 19:12 PM
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Jelly
(9658)

Was it Francoeur that tanked the blue?

Feb 04, 2009 20:22 PM
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BP staff member Will Carroll
BP staff
(1112)

Sample size tanked the blue.

Feb 04, 2009 20:50 PM
 
Connor Tapp
(39299)

What does blue mean? Did I miss something?

Feb 04, 2009 20:34 PM
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Jelly
(9658)

Will used to do a blue color that was less risky than green. It was sparsely used by design, and as he says, sample size kind of killed it.

Feb 04, 2009 21:22 PM
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zstine1
(32591)

i have 3 questions...
1)am i correct in believing this data has not been integrated into PFM?
2)as this has been done for several years, are we able to now say that the average red player misses 20 games due to injury , the average yellow player miss misses 10 games, and green misses 5 or less games? obviously a red does not guarantee injury, but i am trying to get a handle on how the ratings would affect valuation of a player for fantasy baseball.
3) does the system account for the manager's past pitcher usage patterns (or to ask another way, is the red rating for volquez and cueto representative of their being managed by dusty baker, or only their age and 2008 usage?

Feb 04, 2009 21:05 PM
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abernethyj
(37180)

Seattle has a red rotation! Yikes! Good thing they have depth. I expected both Peavy and Lincecum to be red, also. Who has the healthiest team, Milwaukee?

Feb 04, 2009 22:55 PM
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ericmilburn
(30772)

Matt Cain red? That's a surprise.

Feb 05, 2009 00:58 AM
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R.A.Wagman
(32721)

Concussion question - why is Aaron Hill a green but Ryan Church is yellow? Otherwise, thank you.

Feb 05, 2009 04:09 AM
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BP staff member Will Carroll
BP staff
(1112)

Hill doesn't have any other history.

Feb 05, 2009 08:31 AM
 
RandyKutcherHair
(25282)

I was also very surprised to see Hill a green. Doesn't missing a big chunk of last season with a concussion at least warrant a yellow?

Feb 07, 2009 07:32 AM
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tomterp
(32514)

Interesting that you would have Ryan Zimmerman green, given his surgical repair to a small tear in the anterior labrum of his left shoulder. Yes, he came back effectively afterwards, but it would seem to me his very aggressive defensive play, featuring fully extended dives onto his glove side, would render him quite vulnerable to further incident.

Feb 05, 2009 06:58 AM
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SteveR61
(24633)

Dustin Pedroia yellow? Have I missed something? What's up with that?

Feb 05, 2009 07:18 AM
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BP staff member Will Carroll
BP staff
(1112)

Small hustle player at 2B. It thinks he's more David Eckstein than I do.

Feb 05, 2009 08:32 AM
 
SteveR61
(24633)

Thanks for the response, and for posting the spreadsheet.

Feb 05, 2009 09:00 AM
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eighteen
(1432)

Thank you, Will.

Feb 05, 2009 07:58 AM
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raybert
(3618)

wow. Only 3 Red Sox are "green." They have been aggressive of late gathering "low risk-high upside" types of folk. But many of those have that label due to injuries driving down price. If you've got a large collection of those (and high priced players - Ortiz, Drew, Beckett) with injury histories it's not hard to envision a perfect storm scenario for this squad (not saying it will happen, odds are they win 95 games, but you could see the domino effect happening).

Feb 05, 2009 08:56 AM
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alskor
(39403)

That already happened. We called it "2006."

Feb 05, 2009 10:05 AM
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nmhesketh
(45901)

I was pretty surprised about Daisuke. His ability to stay healthy and effective at the same time seems to be a result of a carefully designed workload. Even with the creativity of the Red Sox staff, I imagine this would warrant a yellow.

Feb 06, 2009 10:26 AM
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ChuckR
(8063)

They weren't on the spreadsheet, but given the quantity and quality of free agents still out there, is it possible to get a rating on members of the '31st team'?

Feb 05, 2009 10:16 AM
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BP staff member Will Carroll
BP staff
(1112)

We'll update things as players sign. I don't think the rating on any of the players would be surprising if I ran them, but I honestly haven't.

Feb 05, 2009 11:49 AM
 
ccseverson
(24244)

What! Ellis, Crosby and Chavez all red. How can that be? :)

Well, I suppose the only surprising thing there is that Giambi didn't join them in making an all red infield.

Feb 05, 2009 12:28 PM
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Evan
(47)

I love that Roy Halladay can throw 250 innings and still be green.

Seattle's pitching staff looks terrible, though. One yellow and the rest red. Ouch.

Feb 05, 2009 13:13 PM
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rmorgan93
(17605)

It makes me nervous to see Chris Iannetta red. Is it just because he's a young catcher? No major injuries as far as I know.

Yeah, yeah, wait for the Team Health Report. I know!

Feb 05, 2009 15:21 PM
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John from Bel Air
(22673)

I him being a young catcher is the primary reason. Same rating for Wieters even though I can't find any history of him having previous injuries in college or minors.

Feb 06, 2009 11:59 AM
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krgrecw
(44970)

will, can you make the spread sheet mac accessible? You can't blame a guy now days for not wanting to download outside programs. A .pdf version per chance?

Feb 05, 2009 21:02 PM
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BP staff member Will Carroll
BP staff
(1112)

You should be able to open Excel in iWork or save and upload to Google Docs.

Feb 06, 2009 09:18 AM
 
jwood1889
(40228)

Pavano red?

Feb 05, 2009 21:06 PM
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juiced
(41014)

Will , why give Cain a red?

Feb 06, 2009 11:19 AM
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dbiester
(25354)

One more reason to buy a color printer.
Any early prospects on Utley's injury and return of power?

Feb 06, 2009 13:39 PM
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rotoman21
(47760)

I'm new to BP, what do the three colors mean?

Feb 06, 2009 19:13 PM
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rmorgan93
(17605)

They have to do with a players' injury risk. A green light means a player is relatively sure to be healthy (not withstanding freak accidents and so on), a red light means a player is an injury risk, and a yellow light is in between. If you do a search for previous years' Team Health Reports, you'll find a more involved explanation.

Feb 07, 2009 09:42 AM
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bonagreg
(10425)

Would be great if the color codes could be integrated into the PECOTA table so we have one reference source.

Feb 07, 2009 08:15 AM
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