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09-29

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Pitching Backward: TINSTAABOPP
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Jeff Long

09-17

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Pitching Backward: There is No Such Thing as TINSTAAPP
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Jeff Long and Jeff Quinton

04-18

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TINSTAAPP: TINSTAAP Episode 20: Sonny Gray v. Erasmo Ramirez
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Paul Sporer and Doug Thorburn

03-13

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TINSTAAPP: TINSTAAP Episode 19: Prospects, Prospects, Prospects!!!
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Paul Sporer and Doug Thorburn

02-28

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TINSTAAPP: TINSTAAP Episode 18: Starting Pitching Guide
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Paul Sporer and Doug Thorburn

01-16

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TINSTAAPP: TINSTAAP Episode 17: Offseason Chatter
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Paul Sporer and Doug Thorburn

10-04

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TINSTAAPP: TINSTAAPP Episode 15: Playoff Preview
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Paul Sporer and Doug Thorburn

09-24

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TINSTAAPP: TINSTAAPP Episode 14: Scherzer at Harvey
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Paul Sporer and Doug Thorburn

08-27

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TINSTAAPP: TINSTAAPP Episode 13: Hernandez vs. Perez
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Paul Sporer and Doug Thorburn

08-19

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TINSTAAPP: TINSTAAPP Episode 12: Mejia vs. Nolasco
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Paul Sporer and Doug Thorburn

08-09

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TINSTAAPP: TINSTAAPP Episode 11: Jimenez v. Fernandez & Hughes v. Kennedy
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Paul Sporer and Doug Thorburn

07-19

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TINSTAAPP: TINSTAAPP Episode 9: Erlin vs. Strasburg
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Paul Sporer and Doug Thorburn

07-10

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TINSTAAPP: TINSTAAPP Episode 8: Delgado v. Teheran
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Paul Sporer and Doug Thorburn

05-30

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TINSTAAPP: Episode 5: Miller vs. Kershaw
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Paul Sporer and Doug Thorburn

05-23

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TINSTAAPP: TINSTAAPP Episode 4: Verlander v. Darvish
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Paul Sporer and Doug Thorburn

05-15

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TINSTAAPP: TINSTAAPP Episode 3: Hamels v. Corbin
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Paul Sporer and Doug Thorburn

05-07

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TINSTAAPP: TINSTAAPP Episode 2: Bailey v. Lynn
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Paul Sporer and Doug Thorburn

05-07

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TINSTAAPP: TINSTAAPP Episode 1 (Pilot): Lincecum v. Cashner
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Paul Sporer

01-23

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BP Daily Podcast: Effectively Wild Episode 124: A World Without Easily Injured Pitchers/Hitter BABIP, and Whether Mike Trout Was Lucky/What We Think About Booing
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Ben Lindbergh and Sam Miller

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September 29, 2015 6:00 am

Pitching Backward: TINSTAABOPP

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Jeff Long

The "BO" stands for "Baltimore Orioles"

Recently Jeff Quinton and I wrote about our belief that the concept of TINSTAAPP has become a crutch for people who don't take the time to properly assess the state of pitching development. This was very difficult for me because, living in Baltimore, I've seen TINSTAAPP firsthand. The Orioles are awful at developing pitchers. Of course, the idea behind TINSTAAPP—that attrition among pitching prospects is much higher than it is among their position player counterparts—means that we should be careful before making sweeping generalizations about an organization's ability to develop pitchers. It does not, however, allow us to handwave decades of pitching-development incompetence.

Perhaps "incompetence" is too strong a word. After all, so much of what impacts pitching prospects is out of the Orioles' hands. Other teams though, like the Cardinals, have proven adept at drafting and developing pitchers. Why have the Orioles struggled so much to develop pitching while other teams have had at least mediocre results?

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September 17, 2015 6:00 am

Pitching Backward: There is No Such Thing as TINSTAAPP

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Jeff Long and Jeff Quinton

TISNSTAT? Sure, TISNSTAT.

We're all familiar with the idea that pitching prospects aren't exactly a sure thing. Given the choice, most any evaluator will take a position player over a pitcher if talent (current and future) is equal. This simple concept has long been summarized by the acronym: TINSTAAPP. You may notice the blue text back there. That's because TINSTAAPP is such a constant in baseball analysis that it was once the name of a pitching-centric podcast here at Baseball Prospectus.

BP's role in proselytizing baseball fans into the cult of TINSTAAPP has been significant, starting with no less than the introduction of the concept itself more than a decade ago. Indeed, BP's founder Gary Huckabay is often credited with being the first to coin the term on the rec.sports.baseball forum, and it's been a mainstay of BP's analysis ever since. The unofficial description of TINSTAAPP can be found in the glossary of Baseball Between the Numbers, a Baseball Prospectus book published in 2007:

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A new season is upon us! The first regular season episode of TINSTAAPP includes several emails, an expanded discussion on several guys that both Doug and Paul have noticed early on in the season, a look at their Model Portfolios from a BP project, and of course the Game of the Week.

The guys discuss some guys who have caught their eye early on, look at their model portfolio project at BP, and read user emails! (Send your questions to pitchingpod@gmail.com)

Paul's Portfolio

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The guys deep-dive their top 25 SP prospect lists and discuss the differences, similarities, and guys that they love the most this year and beyond.

The guys delve into their top 25 pitching prospect lists, discuss some killer new technology headed to baseball, and read user emails! (Send your questions to pitchingpod@gmail.com)

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The guys are back to discuss their recently released 2014 Starting Pitcher Guide. They answer some emails, look back at some best/worst calls from the 2013 guide, deep-dive this year's guide, and get into how they feel about Pittsburgh's future aces, Gerrit Cole & Jameson Taillon.

The guys are back to discuss their recently released 2014 Starting Pitcher Guide. They answer some emails, look back at some best/worst calls from the 2013 guide, deep-dive this year's guide, and get into how they feel about Pittsburgh's future aces, Gerrit Cole & Jameson Taillon.

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The guys return from a winter hiatus to talk Hall of Fame pitchers, Masahiro Tanaka, and the upcoming Starting Pitcher Guide that they are currently hard at work on.

The guys return from a winter hiatus to talk Hall of Fame pitchers, Masahiro Tanaka, and the upcoming Starting Pitcher Guide that they are currently hard at work on.

We are looking emails for future episodes, so please feel free to send your questions to pitchingpod@gmail.com! The schedule will be a little sporadic until the guide is released, but they are looking at 7-10 day intervals at the most.

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Across two days, the guys talk about what the playoff matchups MIGHT be and then what they are and they do so without a flux capacitator, too.

Doug and Paul discuss plenty about the playoffs, but also diverge a bit from the mound men to discuss some TV. Don't worry, that Turner/Zimmermann GOTW will be discussed, just not in this episode.

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The guys aren't dead! Just a brief hiatus, but they are back to talk tons of pitching greatness including youngster Max Scherzer and Matt Harvey!

Rundown:

0:00 – 3:12 -- [Intro]

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August 27, 2013 11:17 am

TINSTAAPP: TINSTAAPP Episode 13: Hernandez vs. Perez

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Paul Sporer and Doug Thorburn

The guys get one of Felix's worst starts of the season to break down as Texas unloads on him in the second inning. Plus Alex Wood's insanity and Doug goes to Boston!

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0:00 – 8:40 -- [Intro]

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A quicker-than-usual episode that still packs a punch including a lot of reliever talk.

A shorter episode with Doug on the eve of a trip across the country, but the guys still pack plenty into their 2.5 hours (I know, in what world is 2.5 hours a short episode??). The GOTW was broken, but the guys adjusted and still discussed Mejia before what now appears to be a season-ending elbow injury.

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The double GOTW pod is a success as the guys break down four different pitchers including their new favorite: Jose Fernandez.

Fernandez, Fernandez, Fernandez!!!

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Paul & Doug discuss what is wrong with Jon Lester since mid-May and dive into Strasburg's season. Next GOTW: Francisco Liriano at Mike Leake

Stephen Strasburg gives the guys a very interesting start to discuss as he shows flashes of brilliance in a start that ended up rather mediocre statistically speaking. Robbie Erlin suffers a tough day, but the outlook isn't quite as grim.

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