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Updated 7:04 am Pac, Feb 3 2012 Click a column header to sort by that column. Click again to reverse sort order. Mouse over a column header link to see the definition, or click the This page is currently grouped by division and sorted by Playoff Pct descending.
BP Comment Quick Links Mountainhawk (37208) Is this consistent with one of the three 'old reports', or is it a whole new methodology? fantasyking (11233) I think it says something about the wonderful randomness of baseball that the biggest favorite to win a division still checks in at "only" 57.9%. mikedee (37942) This thing consistently underrates the Phillies, year after year. Greg Ioannou (51725) That would be interesting to look at: is there systematic bias in these? Easy enough to look at initial predictions and results for each team over the years. mbodell (89) I was about to say the Jays are (almost) always underrated by BP over the past 10 years. That or the Jays have consistently performed better then expected. Jamie (57436) mikedee, Mountainhawk (37208) I figured that he meant the win total, not the playoff %. dianagram (9530) Mousing over the headings reveals no stat definitions. :-( drmorris (37508) Honestly surprised at how good the Giants look here, and that's coming from an overjoyed Market Street parade attendee. Many of the questions regarding methodology or why the winning percentages and win totals do not match up are likely covered in Colin's debut article about the Playoff Odds: Feb 24, 2011 10:13 AM evo34 (33584) Colin only says, "Due to unbalanced schedules, we come up with win-loss records that diverge a bit from the numbers on the depth charts." But this does not make much sense, since both systems should be using actual schedules as far as I know. If not, what exactly do they each use for schedules? TimMcCabe (26081) Surprised to see the "Wainwright less" Cardinals picked to win the NL Central. I'd place them third, behind Cincy & Milwaukee. mikedee (37942) I was referring to the win total; however, in light of current situations with the team right now...I'll take it back. RedsManRick (23592) What's the plan to update the depth charts (and I'm assuming this uses the projections in the depth charts)? The Reds depth chart still has Alonso as the primary LF and Carlos Fisher throwing more IP than Sam LeCure. Eugene (30925) I really liked looking at the graphs and odds history that have been available in the past. Are those still hanging around anywhere or are there plans to bring them back? TADontAsk (2173) I also liked being able to see how the odds change after each day's results. I hope that comes back as well. thelobster (45002) Anyone know where and when one can find the ELO adjusted playoff odds? I don't see them. The goal was to have one playoff odds report that reflected our best estimate of a team's chances, rather than three reports that were of varying utility as the season progressed (in the early going, the PECOTA report trounced the regular report, while later in the season the regular report and PECOTA report were probably pretty close to even). Apr 12, 2011 15:24 PM evo34 (33584) This report needs the team's actual W-L pct., as well as the current weighting of PECOTA vs. actual that being used for the expected win pct. Overall, a smaller, more professional/readable font, and more data (like last year's report) would be helpful. Thanks. OkayFine (10259) Why are you taking out information that we enjoyed? Personally, I thought the Elo numbers were most interesting, because as a chess player I know how to read that number. It happened to capture peaks and valleys in each team's proficiency in a way that your authoritarian method completely fails at. So you trained us for years to understand what your numbers meant and now you want to try to impose your view of what's valuable or interesting. No history. Fewer numbers to index. Opaque methodology. A complete failure. You get an F. jonjacoby (39984) wow the Astros playoff chances are the same as Bluto's gpa in "Animal House." Wondering what team hit sub-0.1% in playoffs odds the fewest games into the season. Mountainhawk (37208) Just to be clear, expected win percentage is the winning percentage for all remaining games, not where you expect them to finish the season at, right? It's the expected win percentage against a neutral schedule. Apr 21, 2011 08:01 AM evo34 (33584) Again, we need to know how actual stats vs. projected stats are being used to generate the expected win pct. As of now (May 4), none of us has any idea how much projections are being used. jrmayne (1468) I have a pretty good idea; it seems apparent. The Indians expected winning percentage has been at either .462 or .461 for as long as I've been tracking it. Which one of those it is doesn't appear to depend on the day before's results. I suspect it's due to rounding issues with the projections. Bob1475 (37933) What was wrong with last year's system? I could understand it and I could take whatever stat I thought more appropriate. This is simply mysterious with no explanation. If we are here we are statheads so don't dumb it down! GoodKingJohn (21105) jrmayne makes a great point here. I am not sure how much the actual stats (or third order stats) are used to project at certain points of the season. Clearly, the later into the season, the more the CURRENT stats mean, and the less the projected stats mean. somewhere, there is use for Bayes theorem, though I am not certain exactly how (not sure if BP is doing that) due to no real sample size used for projections. John Collins (110) In addition to what plincoln said, I'd note that getting Mauer back is not the only way the Twins could be expected to improve in the near term. Delmon Young, Nishioka and Thome have all been injured for much or most of the year so far, Morneau is apparently still recovering from his concussion, and Nathan is still getting back into form after TJ. If most of those players are restored to 2009-10 form, the Twins are not much different than the team that won 90+ games last year. plincoln (789) GoodKingJohn - in the past, I'm pretty sure they have used some time-weighted combination of PECOTA projections and current team quality (3rd-order WPct, I think). The expected WPct currently used above, however, is 100% PECOTA/depth chart and 0% current stats. Of course, you're absolutely right that a better estimate of team strength would include this year's performance thus far; I believe they recently re-ran one of Rany Jazayerli's studies showing that by this point of the season current-year performance is, in fact, meaningful. ttl (26201) What I don't understand is why the "Expected Winning Percent" in the Playoff Odds Report table above doesn't seem to be updated in line with the corresponding values from the Team Depth Chart pages (which have been updated over the course of the season). Best I can tell, those numbers should match... wwfwwf (18923) The Red Sox have won the past 2 days and their playoff odds have decreased. Is this because their true talent level is above that of the Rays and Yankees, so they are "expected" to win more games, especially when they were playing an inferior opponent, the Blue Jays? Lassaller (8624) That partially explains it, sure. We also need to look at the strength of their opponents. evo34 (33584) Please change "Expected Win Pct" to a name that is more accurate. It is not the expected winning percentage of the team; it's the true, schedule-neutral strength of the team. cdmyers (34972) Does the current report reflect changes to the depth charts due to trade deadline action? Patrick M (5956) What are the sorting criteria for this report? The sorting for the projected last place teams in the NL look out of whack. (E.g., how the heck does Houston escape the cellar?) Jason Brannon (76) gdejong (19270) What explains the Phillies expected win percentage of .530? Are they that much worse than Atlanta? (.559) nickdemola (52627) That SF/Arizona thing looks weird. Zona's up 3 in the loss column and the Giants have had more runs scored on them than they've scored this year. Take into consideration all of the DL time SF has now, and I don't think that looks right. Do we really believe that the Giants' second string is that good? dosmoney (8337) How do the cardinals beat the brewers yesterday without a 1 day change in their playoff odds? Clearly incorrect. Juris (1283) I don't like your use of 100.0% odds when the Magic Number is still 1 or more. This is analogous to probabilities for T-tests that are sometimes reported as .000. We are all told in our stats training to interpret that as <.001 -- since there remains some finite chance that the difference is not significant. Juris (1283) To add to my point. If a team has been MATHEMATICALLY eliminated, sure it's OK to say 0.00%. But if a team hasn't yet eliminated all contenders MATHEMATICALLY, then it's post-season odds should be 99.9% or less -- not 100.0%. Juris (1283) What caught my eye on this is that you now have the Tigers listed as 100% likely to win their division. But the Magic Number as of this morning is 6 versus the Indians and 5 versus the WhiteSox. Neither of those teams is mathematically eliminated from winning the division, though the probability of either one of them winning is very very small. I would therefore list the Tigers' chances as 99.9%. In any event, Go Tigers! Patrick M (5956) There's only so much screen real estate to go around, so at some point you have to decide how many decimal places you are going to show, and round accordingly. dogstar30 (12901) The one day delta column reflects Saturday's games rather than Sunday's, even though the update time is Monday morning. I don't know if other columns have not been updated. harderj (32137) Sorry if this is a stupid question, but is there a way to find out what playoff odds were on a historical date (e.g., July 31st, 2011)? KHolmes (1134) How did TB win and their PS odds decrease, not only decrease, but decrease by more than the Angles who lost? keef66 (1775) Does odds report include the possibility of the one-game playoff between Sox and Rays (thus projecting only one winner), or do the percentages represent the aggregate chance of the team either winning or tying for the division championship (allowing for two champions)? terryspen (30748) Red Sox 55 percent to the Rays 45 percent with two games left????? I don't think the computer is taking into account that while the Rays will be playing a Yankee team that really doesn't care beyond keeping their timing sharp and getting some backend pitchers some innings, the Red Sox will be facing an O's team for whom this series is their season. rdcramer3 (16554) Hopefully someone will soon be explaining why/how, tied at game 161, the Cardinals' and Braves' post-season chances are so enormously different (and, considering their oppositions, in the wrong direction!) Cardinals645 (26292) Think it's broken at the moment, but if you use the archive thing in the comments above you might be able to see what they're supposed to be. Source: http://twitter.com/#!/cwyers/status/118904730276737024 There was a data feed error last night that not only failed to update the games from last night, but overwrote the games that I hand-entered last night. I did some manual data entry and am rerunning the playoff odds - Cardinals should be above 50%, albeit not by a heck of a lot. Sorry about that. Sep 28, 2011 06:45 AM yankeetripper (32361) Why does Boston have a higher sim win but Tampa has a higher percentage to make playoffs? With just 1 game left this doesn't make much sense. Also the simulation include a tie breaker if played? reznick (8445) Harrumph:
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