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I re-read the The Great American Baseball Card Flipping, Trading and Bubble Gum Book every spring... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_American_Baseball_Card_Flipping,_Trading_and_Bubble_Gum_Book

 
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You have Humber as a 'consider', but then in the composite, you have him as a 'sit'....

Jun 05, 2012 8:22 AM on Week 10
 
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Deep AL-Only 5x5 Could you please order the following pitchers and indicate which are worth rostering...Thanks... Beavan Br Chen T Hunter Noesi R Porcello J Tomlin

 
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The first two and half minutes of this clip have some classic TV Koufax...He always looked great in any of his NBC-Sports blazers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE8uiOYjkBA

 
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Great article!...I have only the following 3 comments: 1. Mark Fidrych's mid-season dead arm in July 1977 (not the original spring-training knee injury that caused the whole thing)...He was back to normal, having won 6 consecutive complete games in June, when his arm went dead against the Orioles on the Fourth of July. He tried to pitch twice more the next week, but that was it....And it turned out that the man died young twice... 2. We really DID hear a lot of Sandy Koufax through 1972...He was the color man for the NBC Game of the Week rain/back-up game through 1972, usually paired with Jim Simpson...He had a great voice and was expert at analyzing the pitchers --- I always remember how he said the word "delivery"...Back then, the Red Sox (and light-less Cubs) were one of only a few teams still playing Saturday day games (there was a big switch to night in the late 60s), so if the Sox were the main game, those of us in New England would get to see/hear Koufax (often in the Astrodome, which made a good rain-game venue)...I must have seen (on TV) Don Wilson pitch four times (outside of the ASG) and I always associate him with Koufax, who was broadcasting the game and positively gushing over his "great stuff"...Koufax was also in studio w/ Garagiola for the post0season pre-game shows... 3. Good call totally leaving Albert Belle off this list...

 
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Thank you...I know you'll get us (Deep AL-Onlyies) through this...

 
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Please...For the sake of all of us in ultra-competitve AL-Only leagues...WE need you people at BP to quit your "Times are Tough"-"Oh, what's the use" whining --- and instead step up and get out of the kiddie pool and start makin' some plays!...Instead of chasing Chris Parmelee around like he's 15-day-old bread at the Soviet Safeway, give us some anticipatory insights: (1) Is Ben revere coming up anytime soon? (2) Is Paulino worth anything? (3) Figgins? (could Tampa Bay get him and play him) (4) Will Kila actually do anything if does he plays (5) Could LaPorta get re-called? (6) Chisenhall? (7) Is Josh Tomlin worth it? (8) What about Bruce Chen (9) Is Noesi worth picking up? (10) What about Delabar in relief? We need answers here...Not "Times are tough."

 
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Mr. McQuown: Let's just forget this whole Clete Thomas business ever happened...Is Erik Komatsu worth picking up in AL-only? (If he is, I can't afford to wait the week to find out)...

May 04, 2012 12:08 PM on Outfielders for 5/4/12
 
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I appreciate all you do in this column to find usable players for us in deep deep leagues (it has helped me tremendously in my AL league)...It is a thankless task (though I am thanking you)...Now...Having said that...Clete Thomas?

May 04, 2012 7:24 AM on Outfielders for 5/4/12
 
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Clete Thomas?...Seriously?...Why do I think if this were 1969, you'd be touting Jose Vidal..."Sure Vidal can't hit, but have you seen that Pilot outfield?..Remember, he's hit over .300 the last two years in Triple-A, with OBPs over .370 and slugging over .580...Wait, forget it, even the Jose Vidal doesn't work...When picking up Jose Vidal in 1969 makes more snese than clete Thomas in 2012, then CLETE THOMAS SHOULDN'T BE TOUTED....

May 04, 2012 6:50 AM on Outfielders for 5/4/12
 
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I’d love to, but I can’t spend all day on this stuff... “’Do advanced metrics really help us much?’ It seems to me the advanced metrics allow us to separate the 100-120 "identical" players and quantify their contributions on the field.” These advanced metrics cannot tell a lead-off walk in the ninth inning of a tie game in a pennant race from one to Bob Bailey in the 9th inning of the 1st game of a doubleheader of a 11-1 Padres-Expos game in May 1970 because Mike Corkins was effectively wild but lost concentration. The point is that these advanced metrics assume (I’m simplifying a tiny bit) that all of these (essentially) unobservable factors about walks will even themselves out over the course off a season/career, so that we don’t have to worry about the context of a particular walk. This would seem like a good assumption, and it may be the best one can do, but it doesn’t work here. It doesn’t work because a player can spend year after year in pennant races, where every at-bat is a contested grind (Ask Eddie Murray about every game he played from 1977 through mid-1986, ask Carlton Fisk about August-September 1978) and it’s not going to even out with a guy like Toby Harrah. Look, Toby Harrah drew a ton of walks and had some great stats for a middle infielder—but he played like one season in a pennant race (1974) and the rest was spent in 5th or 6th place. I’d listen to Indian games where Herb Score’s enthusiasm was heart-breaking and Joe Tait’s bitterness was disturbing and Toby Harrah would draw another meaningless walk…. Now we look back on Toby Harrah and his comp is who, Bobby Grich?...Please... “You seem to have a bunch of arguments here, mostly ‘things were better back in the day, when players didn't just play for money" (even though they did) and "stats in a pennant race mean more.’" Players always played for money, yes. And I’m not saying things were better back in the day, it is just a function of technology. Today, every last dollar (due in large part to technological improvements that aid evaluating/measuring sales, customer preferences, income, elasticities, performance, etc.) can be squeezed out of one or another of the agents involved (player salaries, ticket prices, advertising dollars, television rights, prices for sports cable packages). This forces all involved to contest every last pitch, walk, RBI, win. I am not judging good or bad—-I am just recognizing it. All I am saying is before such near total (rent) extraction was possible, more emphasis was placed elsewhere—-and in some cases, yes, that made for a better game/season/experience, and in some cases it didn’t. One example is that players are better off today in that they don’t need to spend time in a second job in the off-season and can instead focus all the time on baseball—-that makes for a better product. However, an example the other way is that the player comes before the team. The objective is to maximize one’s own salary through stats, not team wins (the rationale is they are highly correlated, so why worry). You can say this is BS or impossible to prove, etc., but even from an economic-rational standpoint it makes sense. “Back in the day” people tried to maximize team wins over personal stats that happen to be positively correlated with team wins...And it makes a difference, on players who had to play in pennants races year in and year out. One more example on how things are worse today because of this rent extraction (not “things were better back in the day”). We get a team that after 125 games is 10 games out of first in their miserable division, and just happen to be 8 games behind another second place team in another (of 3 mind you!) miserable division. They catch and pass this second place in the other division, and 3 weeks later are the World Champions. Why? Because $ are maximized this way. Now people may think this was riveting, exciting, interesting baseball (which it was), but it does not in any way go about trying to determine the best team...But alas, it gets worse. A respected Baseball Prospectus writer has to take the time to rationalize for poor Yankee fans how to pride in the AL East Division Championship (one of 6 doled out every year)... As for these long, rambling comments of mine, like Mark Twain said, “if I’d had more time, I’d’ve written a shorter letter.”

 
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What I would say is that there are a ton of great similar players from the Darrell Evans, Reggie Smith, Tony Perez era. I named about 36 of them, and I of course didn’t mention Dick Allen, Rico Petrocelli, Senator Garvey, Vada Pinson, Dusty Baker, Gary Mathews, Rick Monday, and fifty others. So there are about 100-120 of these guys. You could throw a blanket over them. They are clearly not in the same class as Aaron, Reggie, Clemente, McCovey, Stargell, Mays, Yaz, Bench, Morgan, Frank Robinson, Kaline, etc, etc….What should we do with them?...Do advanced metrics really help us much?...I don’t mean to discount Colbert, Gaston, Evans, Thornton, or anybody who played on lousy teams, but Carlton Fisk Steve Garvey, Dwight Evans, Eddie Murray, Thurman Munson (to name four off the top of my head) were facing an excruciating day-to-day grind in the late 1970s, while at the same time Dave Winfield was prancing around San Diego Stadium without a care in the world other than to promote himself. These guys would take themselves out of blowouts…They wouldn’t try an extract another HR in the 9th of a 13-1 game like Juan Gonzalez. Given there is very little separating about 120 or so great but not HoF players from this era, the context in which they played is of huge importance—including whether they were being counted on to keep their teams in contention day in and day out… I’m not saying not to count it for guys like Windfield, but it is a huge consideration, more so than trying to separate these guys with some advanced metrics that don’t acknowledge the context of the games being played...Look, in the last 15 years, Barry Bonds is about the only guy I can remember who regularly would take himself out of a blow-out to get 3 innings of rest…This was routinely done in the generations before this…It matters…

 
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This was very well written and enjoyable to read. Both Evans and Smith were solid players for long periods of time, and yes, if Tony Perez is going to be the gate-keeper than they both should be in the Hall of Fame. But if Tony Perez is the gate-keeper, then Ken Singleton, Bobby Grich, Don Baylor, Lee May, and Boog Powell (Balt), Roy White, Thurman Munson, and Bobby Murcer (NYY), Dwight Evans, Fred Lynn, and Cecil Cooper (Bost), Willie Horton, Norm Cash, and Bill Freehan (Det), Frank Howard (Wash) and Mike Hargrove and Andre Thornton (Cle), and George Scott (Milw) all should get in, and that’s just off the top of my head from the 1970s AL East. To be quite honest, way back before the Wild Card, way back before Juan Gonzalez and the gang over in Texas made it perfectly acceptable to score 7 runs in the 9th inning to make a 12-3 score 19-3 and have all 7 of those runs treated as though they were game-winners, way back before every at-bat in a 17-4 game was contested because it could mean tens of millions in future salary…Way, way back before then…There was a time…yes, there was a time…when….If the score was 9-3 in 7th, or the Padres were 28 games out in August, no-one gave a crap about the last 3 innings (players swung at the first pitch and got out of there) or about San Diego’s game against a team not in a pennant race (get it over with in 2:02 and go home). Nate Colbert and Clarence (before Cito) Gaston were Padres best hitters…And if they could have gotten hits in late September 1971, when NBC did the split-screen on the Saturday Game of the Week because the Dodgers and Giants were locked in a great pennant race, then it would have counted, mattered and people would have remember them for it….But it didn’t matter what they did against Houston or Philadelphia…Putting up 23-87-.275 (77bb) in this environment was nice, but even if you did it for 15 years, it didn’t make any difference—there was nothing at stake (challenge for the league HR or RBI title? Yes…but 23-87?...No)…You have to realize, back then, the stuff that matters now didn’t matter then…And I don’t mean walks…Walks always mattered…It’s just that drawing 3 walks in a Milwaukee-California game in September 1972 meant nothing... Now: Darrell Evans played meaningless game after meaningless game in Atlanta Stadium, and when he did hit 40 HRs to get some recognition, so did Davey Johnson. Then he went to SF, with those Giants teams from 1976-83…Again, doing a 20-78 (twice!) is nice, but he basically spent 1972-1983 on 4th and 5th place teams in the NL West, 23 games out in August, facing Dave Freisleben and Dan Spillner….Really, if he had done this in Cleveland over the same period it couldn’t have made less of an impact. Then on to Detroit, where they win the World Series in 1984, and he could have been injured all year and it wouldn’t have made mattered. From 1985-88, he had 4 solid seasons for a team playing meaningful games, and he really made an impression. He’s in his late 30s playing 1b and DH, and has a bit of both platoon and home-road splits, making him deadly against RHPs in Tiger Stadium. You know, there was a day-in day-out grind to the pennant races of the 1970s—guys on the Pirates, Reds, Dodgers, Orioles, Yankees and Red Sox were expending a lot more energy than guys on Indians, Padres, Angels, Giants, and Braves. Evans was certainly ready when the time came. He had a solid career, and shouldn’t be blamed for playing on bad teams, but there was nothing Hall-of-Fame about this guy’s career. Again, if he and Tony Perez had switched places I can see him getting in by doing the same thing for Cincinnati for 12 years, but are we going to let Jose Cruz, Jack Clark, Ron Cey, Bobby Bonds, Bill Madlock, Ted Simmons, Greg Luzinski, Dave Parker, Bob Watson, Cesar Cedeno, Jim Wynn, Al Oliver, Rusty Staub, George Foster, John Mayberry, Gene Tenace, Sal Bando, and Joe Rudi in?...These guys were all pretty good…Going back and parsing every walk, every park-adjusted OPS+, with a fine-toothed comb really can’t create any meaningful separation… Now: Reggie Smith is almost the exact opposite to Evans in that he played in a ton of meaningful games. He, like Evans, played well in them. But should he be in the Hall of Fame? Can you really separate this guy from the 18 AL East players I listed at the top or the 18 I listed just above here?

 
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Carl Yastrzemski's voice = UConn coach Jim Calhoun's voice...

 
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thanks

Aug 19, 2011 9:55 AM on Giant Problems
 
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Any news on Scott Baker?...

Aug 17, 2011 12:03 PM on Giant Problems
 
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Thank you for the detailed and informative analysis...

Aug 17, 2011 9:10 AM on Outfield for 8/17/11
 
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Mr McQuown: I was hoping you could provide some advice on some AL-Only SPs (before Friday)... Maybe rank these guys (with a cut-off) and/or rate them on a scale of: Yes!; Probably; Depends on Matchup (Sea, Oak, LAA, Minn, Balt, KC); Never!...Don't worry about Ks... The list: Carmona, T Hunter, Paulino, Chen, Hochevar, Pineiro, Pavano, Blackburn, Duensing, Hochevar, Furbush, Wakefield. Thank you...

Aug 17, 2011 8:04 AM on Outfield for 8/17/11
 
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I think Epstein looks like Jake Gyllenhaal...

Aug 08, 2011 8:36 AM on Moping About Moneyball
 
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The problem with/for Huff is that his next two starts are at boston and at Texas...I didn't even bother checking after that...

 
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Trade Deadline on 15-June-1976: NY Yankees traded Rudy May, Tippy Martinez, Dave Pagan, Scott MacGregor and Rick Dempsey to the Baltimore Orioles for Ken Holtzman, Doyle Alexander, Grant Jackson, Elrod Hendricks, and Jimmy Freeman...The Yankees secure the pennant in 1976 with this trade, before buying the next two...The Orioles traded Rudy May to Montreal the next winter (with Byrn Smith) and got Don Stanhouse and Gary Roenicke...So for basically Grant Jackson and Doyle Alexander, the Orioles got 8 years of Dempsey catching and Scott MacGregor in the rotation, plus both of the L-R duo in the bullpen (Tippy Martinez and Stanhouse), plus the RH half of the LF platoon...The trade help them beome the best team in basball over 1979-83...

 
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MIke: Any movement on saves in KC if Soria is traded?....Is it (still) Crow / Coleman / Wood / Holland?...That is, if I have room for only 1 of these guys, its Crow, right?...Help!....I can see Coleman taking over his job too...

Jul 07, 2011 5:17 PM on Relievers for 7/7/11
 
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I'm sorry to have to say it, but these "On the Beat" entries are now basically identical to Peter Gammons' Sunday Boston Globe columns from the 1980s...Only a bit more obnoxious...Gammons (and now, sad to say, Perrotto) can't seem to tell you anything before it happens..Then once it happens, well, it was obvious and here are the fifty reasons...Gammons was pulling this crap well into the late 1990s..."Well, its a real mess in X right now, A wants to leave, B has a bad shoulder, C really feels he shouldn't have signed with them, scouts are telling me D can't get around on the curveball anymore...Can they turn it around? Who knows.....blah blah blah"...This column is a joke right now...Sorry to be the one to say it...

Jul 01, 2011 6:27 PM on The Buck Stops...Where?
 
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I'm the guy who asked about Holland a few weeks ago...He's been great, but as yet doesn't get a ton of appearances...I'm in a competitive AL-only league and am going to need to get KC's closer once Soria leaves, but I really only have 1-2 roster spots at most, so I've got Crow, but out of the other 3-4 spots (I don;t think Wood would close) I don;t know who to hedge with...

Jun 17, 2011 9:09 PM on Relievers
 
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If Villanueva DOES make both starts, would he move up to consider or start?

Jun 10, 2011 8:29 AM on Weekly Planner #11
 
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For Al-only: Could you comment on Greg Holland of KC?... Great day yesterday (6k in 2.2ip), and he has allowed no runs yet(9.1ip, 0er, 13k, 4bb (1 w/ intentiona), sub-1 whip)...His numbers earlier this year (and prior) in Omaha looked good -- he closed a bit...Among Crow, Coleman, Collins, Soria, and Holland (plus Jeffries in AAA now), they have a lot of options, but does he stand a chance of closing? Also, what are chances that Matt Moore (currently a Biscuit, but a great Biscuit) gets called up this month?...Or is this Kevin G's Call?

 
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"Marlboro-stenched doghouse"...[applause]....And it is a large one too --- you've basically got to go back to Dick Williams Fenway-Park, late-1960s, tobacco-juice-floorboard-rotting, Yaz-calling-the-shots doghouse to find one as large (Mike Andrews, George Scott, Tony C, Billy C, Reggie Smith, Russ Gibson, Ken Harrelson)

 
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When the initial 'you gotta get Robertson' rec (for ML, not AL-only, mind you) was made last week, he'd already been walking guys at pretty good clip --- I don't see what the poor guy did differently in the last week that he hadn't the previous 2-3 weeks...If anything he was getting worse when the rec was made...

 
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Please....Please....We AL-only guys need a bone every day.... Juan Cruz?

 
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Thanks...

 
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Regards AL-only SPs: I'm beginning to get lost on who's in and who's out...Any way to quickly say whether the following AL-only SPs are worth pursuing (or at least rank them with a cut-off)? Freddy Garcia Phil Humber Jesse Litsch Mark Buehrle Jason Vargas

 
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The AL-only/NL-only options are a great addition...

Apr 22, 2011 7:55 AM on Leaving on a Jed Plane
 
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I'm in a very competitive AL-only league...Very competitive, they are sickos that get up at 3:10am in the morning to claim Santos, etc. etc....While I think you work here is great, your picks only serve to tell me whether I grabbed the right guy weeks ahead of time (for example Chris Getz, drafted him!...Sale, long gone....It would be great if you could go deep for one pick each time -- say an AL-only or NL-only pick...Thanks...

 
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The last time I saw Ramirez play was 26-August-2008 in Washington, DC...In the middle of a pennant race, LA was down 2-1 to the lowly Nats after 5 innings. In the top of the 6th, LA loaded the bases with one out. Ramirez stood on third base (Larry Bowa was coaching third). He was promptly doubled off third when Nomar Garciaparra lined out to Ryan Zimmerman (LA lost 2-1)...Larry Bowa's body language told you everything you needed to know about Ramirez... This is how I will choose to remember this "man"...He is an ass...There is no other way to describe him...He disgraced the game time and time again...Like all of you here, there are hundreds and hundreds of baseball players I remember fondly --- Frank Robinson, Richie Hebner, Al Oliver, Ken Griffey, Don Buford, Keith Foulke, Roy White, Paul Blair, Bill Lee, Curt Flood, Fred Patek, Doug DeCinces, Gene Tenace, on and on and on...Ramirez is not one of them...This guy is a horse's ass.

 
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I never liked this guy anyway.

Apr 08, 2011 2:50 PM on Manny Ramirez Retires
 
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The 1983 Orioles had two separate 7-game losing streaks.

 
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Say what you will about Ruben Rivera, but he saved the Yankees in 1996 --- they owe everything to him...All you Yankee fans know it --- the 87 things that happened in October for the Yankees to pull off their championship wouldn’t have if not for Rivera. On 9-August the Yankees were up 9 games on Baltimore and a month later on 9-September they’d gone 11-18 over the previous month and were in complete free-fall, 3 up on Baltimore (and Chicago was even closer for the WC)….In the last of the ninth, up a run with one out, Wetteland walked 2 guys and then Higginson came up and drilled what was going to be the game-winning hit, putting the Yankees just 2 up on Baltimore (and Chicago)…Rivera made an unbelievable catch, saving the game, and the Yankees went on a streak after that…He doesn’t make that catch and the panic in NY would have continued…

 
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Yes yes yes...When these guys are eventually ranked, Goodwin stands alone, but Komminsk is no worse than third...Who can forget John Sterling's nightly cocksure: "Let me tell you something...And you can take this to the bank...It might not be this year, or next year, but someday, this Brad Komminsk is going to be one heck of a hitter."

 
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Here is my solution... 1. Add NL teams in Brooklyn and Montreal. 2. Move Houston and Washington to the AL (also, Washington loses all gold trim from the uniform). 3. Two 16-team leagues. Play each team 10 times, plus 12 interleague games --- your rival 6 times if you have one. Rotate blah blah blah... 4. All teams make the play-offs 5. League champions get 8 days off. 6. Second-place teams get first round byes. 7. Play-offs: Round 1: 9-10, 8-11, 7-12, 6-13 5-14 4-15 3-16 play best-of-3, with higher seed spotted a game. First game at lower seed, game 2 (if necessary) at higher seed. TAKES 2 DAYS. Two games played at 1pm, 4pm, 7pm, 10pm on 2 networks. Round 2: (right back atcha, no off-day). 7 teams advance. All re-seeded again...Second place team enters, plays lowest remaining seed, etc. Same rules as Round 1, and again it TAKES 2 DAYS. Games at 1pm, 4pm, 7pm, 10pm on 1 network. 4 teams advance. Round 3: Rinse repeat. TAKES 2 DAYS. 2 teams advance. Round 4. Rinse repeat. TAKES 2 DAYS. 1 teams advance. Round 5. Now we just do the ALCS and NLCS as before, with the league champion getting home field advantage. THE END

 
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Great article...Consider yourself lucky though --- you could have gone through life with this as your definitive of the 1966 World Series, like I did: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8BVcGoREYwc/R8TnZFrofUI/AAAAAAAAArA/ulY_VRm1e6U/s1600-h/1966+WS+1970.jpg

 
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I have no emotional ties to Andy Pettitte...Though omitted from the article and comments, I would credit him with having the best pick-off/holding-runners-on-first ability of any pitcher I can ever remember. Other than that, I think he was a solid pitcher over a lengthy career, but nothing special. He certainly should not be in any Hall of Fame discussion... Pettitte basically kept having Dennis Martinez's 1979 season over and over again --- characterized by a lot of game-to-game variance, but which is solid, not spectacular, and probably very much appreciated by his team’s fans...I think career-performance-wise he most closely resembles Milt Pappas --- both had about the same number of solid seasons over about the same length of career, with similar variances to their in-season pitching performances (though the NL Pappas pitched in 1966-72, was far superior to the one Pettitte did).

Feb 04, 2011 10:31 AM on Dandy Andy Bows Out
 
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Why not have give San Jose rights to the A's and give Oakland rights to the Giants?...The Giants get Oakland for San Jose

 
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The 'ridiculously obnoxious one that does the Yankees broadcasts' says: "It may not be this year, or the next...but you can count on it --- one of these years Brad Komminsk...is going to be one heck of hitter..."

Jan 25, 2011 10:24 AM on The Punished
 
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Applying 1950s-style KC A's/Yankees strategies requires two kinds of moves in the NY --> KC direction: (1) Trading two-years-away young players to KC for usable major-league-ready talent, and (2) trading washed-up players to KC for talent that just got the two years in at KC and is ready-to- go...There is a variant: (3) sending a struggling over-valued player to KC to see if he can turn it around, getting someone who can contribute, if he turns it around , you get him back in a year or two...The idea is that the Yankees get the 25 best players between the two teams and KC gets a combo of 25 washed-up or two-years-away guys...This explains how a team win 14 pennants in 16 years (that and a league-wide agreement not to bring in too many African-Americans or Latinos)...

Jan 17, 2011 3:30 PM on Royal Re-Gearing
 
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Then the next year, with THE SAME ROTATION, they won the World Series....

 
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Half the 1967 Detroit Tigers rotation were in the top 6 "worst WARP totals w/ 200+ IP" --- Earl Wilson and Mickey Lolich were the other two SPs that year (and Lolich actually had the all-time worst in 1966)...The team still won 91 games (despite a left side of the infield of Ray Oyler and Don Wert), and fell short because they lost the second game of a DH on the last day of the year...

 
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Actually, the next week's GOTW was the third great one in a row -- Atlanta at Pittsburgh (25-April-1970)...what action from the last of the 6th through the last of the 8th, ending w/ Stargell's HR over the roof in RF... http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1970/B04180CIN1970.htm

Nov 29, 2010 10:05 AM on Willie Mays
 
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The Mays catch on Tolan in 1970 was on 11-April 1970 (Tolan's second at bat, in the third inning). http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1970/B04110SFN1970.htm It was actually the NBC Baseball Game of the Week (the first GOTW telecast of the season), so it was watched by a national-television audience...It was 1-1 in the last of the ninth, bases loaded and one out. Clyde King let Gaylord Perry bat and hit hit a grounder to Concepcion, who booted it...The next week, the same two teams were the NBC GOTW, this time in Crosley Field...What a game...The Reds led 8-3 in the 6th, and then Sf scored 7 in the 6th and 4 in the 7th and won 16-9...

Nov 29, 2010 10:00 AM on Willie Mays
 
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This is a good question...The obvious choice would have been the 12-July-1969 "Oldest Living Tape of a Regular Season Baseball Game" between the Phillies and Cubs (free somewhere online, I forget where), but Allen was, I think, DLed at the time and, anyway, doesn't play...The 1976 NLCS is another possibility -- he's back with the Phillies at least, and still pretty productive (this is the only post-season in his career).

Nov 25, 2010 6:46 AM on Dick Allen
 
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Funny how the Sainted [not by me] White Rat figures into both the Hassler and David Clyde sagas... 1. Herzog began Clyde's demise (he's even confessed to leaving him in too long in starts so fan's could 'get there money's worth') and Martin finished him off...At least Herzog had the excuse of being a rookie manager with little major league playing experience. Martin was an established manager with a celebrated Yankee career behind him...If ever Martin's "pugnacious" "fight for my players" style was ever going to be worth anything, it would have been insisting that he was going to use Clyde like he wanted, not how Bob Short did...What is so ridiculous? Why don't you just ask Clyde yourselves?...I can imagine the BP Q&A --- BP: "What was it like playing for Billy Martin?" DC: "Billy was great. Really. I was a 19 year-old kid at the time and I learned so much from him, but also Art Fowler, who, you know, followed Billy everywhere he went and really helped me with my mechanics. I find it absolutely hysterical that anyone would think Billy has anything to do with my unfortunate career path." 2. Back to Hassler: League average lefty?..This guy, remember, showed up in KC mid-year (he and Gura were in-season acquisitions that year, though Gura was a far better pitcher at any point in their careers) after a year and half of some of the worst pitching this side of Kevin Ritz or the 1969 Expos...He had lost 15 games in row (which at the time, I think, was an all-time record), and had an ERA over 5.00 (which was unheard of at that time). He pitched well for two months for the Royals. This was basically like Spicio Spinks getting hot for two months, or Al Santorini, or Steve Dunning...He was left-handed and had had two good starts against the Yankees that summer...So you start him in Game 3 of the ALCS? Then the next year his ERA is the equivalent of 5.40 and you bring him back to start Game 2 (the famous Hal McRae tries to kill Willie Randolph game)? This was nuts...Believe me, Yankee haters at that time were pulling out their hair when this guy showed up on the mound staked to a 3-0 lead (which was HUGE at the time) in the bottom of the first. The only laugh we had that agonizing night was when Reggie did one of his pre-taped up-close interviews with players that they ran between pitches. ABC went with this one for Hassler -- Reggie: "What has it been like for your wife, going through those 15 consecutive losses?" Hassler: "Well, my wife doesn't follow baseball at all, she doesn't understand it, so it hasn't really been a problem." ABC decided we needed to know this.

Nov 24, 2010 11:39 AM on Billy and George
 
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Let's just be thankful that Palmer, Eddie Murray, and Frank Robinson are on this committee --- Martin will need grab 12 of the remaining 13 votes.... Let's also be thankful he left MInnesota before he could destroy Bert Blyleven...

Nov 22, 2010 8:10 PM on Billy and George
 
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Let’s look at Martin in terms of his “value added” at each stop 1. 1969 --- You basically get any year of Bill Rigney’s career (plus the Dave Boswell thing). 2. 1972 --- You get any year of Mayo Smith’s AL career (without the Mickey Stanley move). 3. 1973 --- He develops Ron LeFlore (but only because he knew someone at the same prison --- figures), so you get any year of Jimmy Conway’s Atlanta career. 4. 1974 --- He develops Steve Foucault (impressive), gets a productive year out of Cesar Tovar, but destroys David Clyde (he’s never given credit for this), basically you get the first year of any Chuck Tanner stint, WITH the subsequent deterioration, only he’s not around to get blamed for it…Note: George Bamberger was much more impressive in 1978 --- and he didn’t get the Pilot-Royal-Mariner-Jay expansion jump Martin got in 1969 (vs. 1968) or in 1977 (vs. Lemon, Michael, etc). 5. 1976 -77 --- Any more impressive than Jim Frey?...Frey won the AL pennant w/ KC in 1980 (sweeping the Yankees) and a tough NL East in 1984…And, yes, Andy Hassler was a big deal in the 1976 and 1977 ALCS…Believe me, it was unheard of at the time to cart a guy of this mediocrity out to start games of this magnitude…If they’d’ve won his starts, KC’d’ve won the series in 4 and a sweep respectively… 6. 1981 --- Again, are serious you about this?... Thank God he didn’t get the full summer to abuse these guys…Dr. Richard Kimble would have gone nuts chasing four one-armed men around the Bay Area with Lt. Gerard in pursuit. In sum, he’s a BillRigney/MayoSmith/JimFrey comparable.

Nov 22, 2010 4:09 PM on Billy and George
 
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Let’s check in on Billy Martin: 1. Won the AL West in 1969 --- beat out the Seattle Pilots and KC Royals expansion teams 36 games against these two!), the dysfunctional White Sox and Angels (Sandy Alomar!), and Oakland (two years removed from their dreadful Kansas City existence, with Danny Cater holding down 1B, Phil Roof catching, and Jose Tartabull and Tommie Reynolds totaling 600 PAs in the outfield)..Wow!...Then they got swept by the Orioles…Then the next year Bill Rigney (who’d never finished higher than 3rd in his 12-year managerial career) took the same team to the same division title…Basically, a fine 1965-67 Twins team slumped in 1968,making Martin look better than he was --- on top of that, he ruined Dave Boswell… 2. Won the AL East in 1972 --- the Orioles had an off year, somebody had to sneak in (think Cincinnati in 1971, Pittsburgh in 1973, etc)…The most likely winner would be the division’s previous pre-Oriole World Champion, Detroit, so this is nothing special either --- this was the remnants of the 1968 Tigers holding on against Rob Gardner’s Yankees and always-unlucky Red Sox (32 years before 2004)… 3. Texas in 1974 --- Fergie Jenkins (who wasn’t with Texas in 1973) dropped in his lap (for Bill Madlock), and won 25 games…Again, before-after comparison makes him look better than he was…If Texas keeps Madlock (which they should have, did this move make any sense?), Martin has another solid young hitter to go with Burroughs, Hargrove, etc, but he’s got to find 41 more starts and 25 wins from somewhere else – team probably finishes fifth with 69 wins…. 4. Yankees 1976-77 (78) ----After Steinbrenner and Autry decimate the two top AL franchises of the previous decade (Baltimore and Oakland), the Yankees fill the void…Orioles lose Grich, Baylor/Reggie, Torrez, Grimsley, etc., and it takes them until 1979 to re-load --- again, like in 1972, Martin was there to cash in (barely winning the division in 1977, even w/ Tom Shopay holding down CF for the Birds for a month)….Oakland loses everybody: in their stead, the Andy-Hassler-led Royals fall in the play-offs each year…Gets humiliated by the 1976 Reds, beats the 1977 Dodgers (avoided the superior Phillies team ousted in Game 4 of the NLCS which was played in the worst conditions of any post-season game in history)… 5. The Oakland years…Come on…Are you even serious about this?...The entire AL East fit above the entire AL West at that time…He made the post-season because the music stopped on June 18th at 4:33 am and he was next to a chair…He ruined countless young pitchers with great promise… 6. And finally --- Where you see hit-and-run/suicide-squeeze small ball, I see a sick, sadist maniac …What he did to Jimmie Piersall was unconscionable….Really, how does that not get a mention?…And the bean-ball battles….Tony LaRussa is a rank amateur in this department compared to this guy…What series with the Orioles went by without him instigating a bean-ball war?…I remember one time Palmer went and hit Elrod Hendricks (who was with the Yankees at the time) just to move things along…and the rest: Pestering opponents over uniform codes…Pestering opposing pitchers over little ridiculous things to throw off their rhythm (including arguing with umps long past the point of reason)...And don’t forget pine-tar game: You think Tim McCelland (who was always a lousy, lousy umpire anyway) would have called Brett out if it was anybody else but Martin? --- He was afraid that if he’d ruled otherwise, Martin would have grabbed the bat and smashed his skull with it…You want this guy in the Hall of Fame?

Nov 22, 2010 10:21 AM on Billy and George
 
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Mr Hertzel: Where did you go to high school?...We Rhode Islanders always claimed Richie Scheinblum as a Rhode Island product (similar to how we claim Paul Konerko today), and I assumed because he went to high school here (I know Davey Lopes did)...

Nov 15, 2010 9:25 AM on The Yankee Princess
 
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I think it would be great if there were a metric that accounted for a player's involvement in pennant races --- in the sense that having to go out there day after day and keep your team in the race counts for more than playing for a team that is out of the race by late April... One comparison is between the above-mentioned Garvey and someone like Dave Winfield...Garvey was involved in the constant grind --- April through September --- keeping his team in the race (be it 1973, 1976, 1979, 1980 when they missed, or 1974, 1977, 1978 when they won)...There was added pressure from being in a pennant race, and I think a player should get some credit for that... On the other hand, Winfield played baseball (during his Padre years for sure), like the NBA plays basketball durung the regular season --- it was basically an exhibition... Guys like Garvey, Eddie Murray, Grich, Cey, Schmidt, Hebner, Munson, Nettles, Bumbry, Lopes, Griffey (Sr), Rice, Dw Evans, Maddux, Morgan, Baylor went 10 years at a clip of constant pennant-race grind, while for the most part guys like Winfield, Dale Murphy, Yount, didn't... I really think the fact that Garvey was playing in so many meaningful games should count more than a San Diego-Atlanta game in 1978...I realize players shouldn't be penalized for being on lousy teams, I'm just saying, those order the constant grind should be given credit for it...

 
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I agree with Jed.... But on top of that, what is amazing is how quickly he turned around the players he got for even less: Cuellar for Blefary (hold for a year) for Pepitone Wynn for Osteen (hold for four months) for ...nothing... Roric Harrison for Bouton (hold for a year) for...nothing... Staub for Billingham (hold for two years) for use as a throw-in... Well, the trade for Dave Roberts from San Diego for three dogs-playing-poker-posters that same winter as the Morgan trade was a good one...As was Jerry Reuss for two more of those posters that spring...Then after a couple of years, he traded Ruess for Milt "if only he wasn't behind Manny Sanguillen" May...Then he traded May and Roberts to Detroit for three posters and Leon Roberts... A great article would compare the Astros dealings from about 1968-71 with the Giants from about 1963-66 (Matty Alou for Joe Gibbon; Hundley and Hands for Lindy McDaniel; Felipe Alou for one year of Bob Shaw; Jose Cardenal for Jack Hiatt; Cepada for Sadecki) to see who was worse...

Nov 09, 2010 11:32 AM on The Joe Morgan Trade
 
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This was probably the most exciting series of five games or less since the two in 1969 and 1970...

 
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Number 1: The Pirates were not a wild pitch away from a WS (in 1972)...They were a wild pitch away from still having to record a third out to reach extra innings in a game for the pennant... Number 2: The Pirates run ended in 1975, period -- when a decent team finally inhabited the NL East, the 1976-83 Phillies, that was it...The Phillies simply had an off year in 1979...Hebner-Oliver-Sanguillen-Robertson-Cash-Zisk-Clines-Giusti-Reuss-Alley-Moose-Ellis were long gone...The 1968 Columbus Jets had made their mark and had moved on --- to be replaced by "Adipose"-Ed Ott, Omar "Blow" Moreno, Phil "The ball was wet, like a bar of soap, that's why we lost Game 1" Garner, and "Mentalcase" Tim Foli, and John "Valley of the Dolls" Milner...Please...

 
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"Serious Horses' Ass" [sic]????... Let me remind you that BP is bascially the embodiment of every managerial move that that 'horse's ass' ever made...From bringing someone named Mike Dimmell into his first major league game as a defensive replacement in RF and having him throw the tying run out at the plate in the last of the ninth http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1977/B09020CHA1977.htm, to realizing that Mark Belanger owned Bert Blylven and Rich Gossage, EVERY metric/theory that BP conceives must be tested against: "Would Earl Weaver do it?"...Everything....Everything this sites creates must meet that criterion...And you can him a serious horses' [sic] ass?...Shame...

 
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Torborg was a character made for a TV situation comedy, sort of a Sgt. Vince Carter from 'Gomer Pyle, USMC' meets Sgt Ernest G. Bilko from the 'Phil Silvers Show' meets Cap Capogrosso from 'Ball Four' meets Det. Tony Barretta from 'Baretta' sequel.

 
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Believe me, I don't know how old you are, but this team was certifiably obnoxious...That the quietly-confident Orioles were subjected to these clowns for two weeks in October was tough to take... If the Phillies hadn't had an off year in 1979, this team would be totally forgotten...The apt sit-com isn't "Friends" or "Gilligan's Island", its either "Lotsa Luck" or "That's My Mama", shows that had one lucky year with a big fat guy as the center of the show...The only fond memory I have of this group of derelicts is Dave Parker in his typical juvenile manner saying, "When the leaves turn brown, I'll be wearing the batting crown", and then being sent a bag of leaves from some fan...

 
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I thought it might be in reference to the Orioles' Moe Drabowsky calling from the O's bullpen to the A's dugout pretending to be Finley, and telling Alvin Dark to get Lew Krausse warmed up, then five minutes later calling back and telling Dark to sit him down...Finley blew a gasket the next day...

Oct 25, 2010 10:21 AM on The ALCS Outcome
 
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I'm still trying to figure out the Charlie Finley/Mule reference from last week....

Oct 25, 2010 9:15 AM on The ALCS Outcome
 
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Why isn't Jim Wynn included with these five?...He was fine in 1972, off in 1973, fine again in 1974-75...It looks as though Berkman is similar to Wynn in 1976 (98), but why not 1972?

Oct 25, 2010 8:42 AM on Cratering
 
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I cannot figure out the reference to Charlie Finley and his mule...I'm totally stumped...

Oct 21, 2010 12:43 PM on ALCS Game Five
 
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Let's no down-play what Buck has done here...As an Orioles fan, it was pretty amazing to watch...Here are the Birds' records from August 1st through the end of the season for the past 10 years: 2001 19-35 2002 18-40 2003 21-36 2004 32-28 2005 23-35 2006 22-33 ---------- 2007 19-38 2008 16-37 2009 20-40 ---------- 2010 34-24 In any sport, there are certain common-sense items, call it low-hanging fruit, that any manager/coach with any brains can come in and change right away...Bill Parcells comes in and immediately changes special teams, QB, and what-ever else the moron before him was screwing up, and the improvement is evident immediately...Rick Pitino gets his team in shape, presses all over the court, and shoots a ton more three-pointers than the previous moron...Here, Buck has come in and said, "OK, no more Scott Erickson losing concentration and walking the lead-off batter in the third inning on four pitches...OK"...There are a lot closer to contending than this article leads one to believe...

Oct 15, 2010 8:00 AM on Baltimore Orioles
 
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Any time you get Nick Blackburn in a post-season series, you can't feel too badly --- was Rocky Coppinger not available?

 
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A little misleading in the first paragraph, because the 10 occurrences don't include, off the top of my head, serious, passionate 3-way races in 1948, 1950, and 1974.

 
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In 1977, The Yankees won the AL East w/ 100 wins (100-62)...Going into the final day of the season, the Orioles and Red Sox were at 97-64, and scheduled to play each other at Fenway Park (they took turns eliminating each other from the race on Friday and Saturday)...That final Sunday was Tiant vs. Palmer...The loser would be a 97-win third-place team...But the game got rained out...We did get to see Rick Dempsey in his most memorable rain-delay tarp performance...

 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoBI-WOJh7Q The clinched-fist reaction of the Yankees fan at 0:41 was priceless...

 
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Cox was not "a third baseman in the Tigers glory days" -- you might be thinking of Don Wert...Cox never played for Detroit...Not that the tigers had any 'glory days' back then (1966-72?) --- they basically challenged when the Orioles were having an off-year (1967-68, 1972)... As for Cox's 1968 season --- 135 games, 7hr-41rbi-.229avg-.300obp-.316slg, this was approaching Rick-Auerbach-1972 proportions... What's funny is that with so few rookie 3Bs in 1969 --- he ended up with the prestigious "1968 Topps All-Star Rookie" designation as the best rookie 3B...His 1969 card had this important-looking trophy on it to honor his wonderful work... To show you how pathetic things were, his counterpart from the previous year was Bobby Etheridge (3B of SF) and I think Coco Laboy got it in 1969 (I seem to remember a trophy on Laboy's 1970 card...I also remember Bobby Bonds got one of the Topps slots for OF in 1968, and Bench got the one for catcher (certainly worthy), so it wasn't all bad...

Jun 25, 2009 9:46 AM on Player Compensation
 
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I'm going to split the difference of the last two guesses and say Ozzie and Henderson are the two other HoF taken... Fingers is an interesting guess (since the reliever HoFs have a late-round vibe) but I think he and Catfish Hunter were signed before the draft came into play (early 1960s)...Eckersley was a big deal SP... My other guess would be Eddie Murray --- the Orioles had so many prospects around then (early 1970s -- Flanagan, D.Martinez, Dauer, K.Garcia (don't laugh), Mike Dimmell, Jim Fuller, Paul Mitchell, Don Hood, and all those expansion draftees: Jesse Jefferson, Bob Gallasso, Mike Parrott, Mike Darr) I could see him going in the 8th round...

Jun 09, 2009 1:37 PM on The Naked Draft
 
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EDWIN JACKSON...And he's "not obvious" because Sheehan didn't mention him... How is Wang on the list?...Our they going to count Atlantic League wins?

 
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OK, I'll try again (that wasn't bitterness BTW, I was simply trying to make light of the situation, which I guess wasn't a good idea)..Anyway, here goes: "If Will gets burned by a source too many times, he/she becomes an ex-source"... This doesn't correct the fundamental problem --- which is that there is no way to penalize the guilty party... Any source from Team X is going to say the same thing to Will Carroll --- "the injury to Team-X-player is minimal, he'll be ready to play the minute he comes off the DL"... If Will Carroll makes the serial liar an ex-source, and then moves on to the next Team-X serial-liar, how does that correct the fundamental problem?... Firing the guy/gal as his go-to-liar doesn't penalize the liar --- he/she doesn't give a crap what Will Carroll thinks of him/her as a person for lying....ESPECIALLY if someone like Roger Clemens is waiting for the guy/gal in the clubhouse with an aluminum bat.... To sum up: Will Carroll cannot create competition among sources within an organization to get accurate information...If anything, they have incentive to throw false information out there...

Jun 02, 2009 2:47 PM on Treading Water
 
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Here is what is of little value to his readers: Will Carroll: The Grady Sizemore injury? Johnny the Snitch (shining shoes): Yeah?...I don't know anything about it... Will Carroll: Any information? Johnny the Snitch: Maybe I do, maybe I don't... [Will Carroll gives Johnny a dollar bill bribe] Johnny the Snitch: Sources tell me that the team doesn't expect him to miss more than the minimum fifteen days.

Jun 02, 2009 12:27 PM on Treading Water
 
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My mentioning of the Sizemore/fantasy angle is nothing more than an explanation of my motivation for the click --- for the past three years, I'd managed to avoid doing so (rather easily)... All of that distracts from the real issue: how one should relate information from a "source" --- or in this case "sources"... And that last point is important: the fact that Will Carroll used "sources" rather than "source" shows intent to convey even more weight to his injury-info tidbit. The issue (nothing to do with my fantasy team or Sizemore): 1. The source is anonymous. 2. The source pays no penalty for passing on bad information. 3. Will Carroll continues to convey this info like White-House stenographer Judith Miller... This to me is a big issue --- the information is worthless and its being expressed as though got some value to it (when it's actually about as sensible as getting it from Frank Drebin's shoe-shine boy)...

Jun 02, 2009 10:45 AM on Treading Water
 
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Here's my constructive comment: Reading/interpreting a full medical report, then assessing/estimating the length of a DL stint based on a the report is useful. Plenty of value-added there... Talking to a "source" (akin to Jeffrey Rosen's horse's-ass portryal of S.Sotomayor two weeks ago), and then reporting the stuff is useless... There is no incentive for any "source" to provide accurate information...Especially when there is apparently no penalty for doing so, since Will Carroll continues issuing information from these sources (for years) with no caveat (caveat being: this information is useless)... As to my three-year hiatus: given the length of Sizemore's injury will in fact determine whether I win the league, I broke down and clicked on a Will Carroll article for the first time in three years....And got just what I deserved --- the guy's (Sizemore) going to miss 10 weeks minimum....

Jun 02, 2009 10:05 AM on Treading Water
 
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Ehem...Is Will Carroll ever right about anything?... I used to use this guy for injury information for my fantasy baseball team (3-4 years ago), and he always got bad information --- always...I put myself at a dis-advantage using his information, it was awful...Well, I have Grady Sizemore in a competitive AL-only league (where he's a top pick)...I figured, why not, after a 3-year hiatus, let's just check what Will Carroll has to say... Well what happen?....His "sources" tell him "the team doesn't expect him (Sizemore) to miss more than the minimum fifteen days"...Great, I think...Should I trust this clown?...Is he any better now than he was three years ago...Well, no, he isn't...

Jun 02, 2009 8:10 AM on Treading Water
 
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Rice\'s candidacy has mirrored the revelations of steroids use in baseball. Rice\'s \"non-roid\" numbers now look excellent. In the late 80\'s and thru the 90\'s, the game\'s bloated \'roid numbers overshadowed Rice\'s power stats.

Jan 12, 2009 12:34 PM on July 31-August 4, 2001