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I'm confused about what <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=45500">Brian Bannister</a></span> would have to do with how <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=47181">Matt Bush</a></span> and <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=68372">Sam Dyson</a></span> are used, considering that he works for the Red Sox. Did you maybe mean <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=18729">Jeff Banister</a></span>?
<span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=49168">Travis Wood</a></span> will not be in the Royals rotation, at least not to start the season. The rotation will be <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=56197">Danny Duffy</a></span>, <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=52572">Ian Kennedy</a></span>, <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=36564">Jason Hammel</a></span>, <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=45595">Jason Vargas</a></span>, and <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=69123">Nate Karns</a></span>. I don't know if that changes your numbers any.
I don't know how much it matters, but Reyes' UCL tear is a complete rupture, not partial.
Funny thing about Quintana...he's been not so good within the division. His numbers against the Indians are really nice, but he's had a good bit of trouble with the Tigers, Royals, and Twins. I generally see him only in divisional games, which is why I sometimes wonder about the hype (yes, he gets some; I've seen it).
The Royals were NOT the second wild card in 2014. The A's were, with 88 wins - one less than the Royals.
As a fan of another AL Central team, I have seen a lot of the Twins this year. I concur that you can squint and see a decent lineup, but in addition to suspect pitching, the defense is atrociously awful. That's two strikes against them, not just one, and another issue that the new brass needs to address.
Ah well, they'll always have <span class="statdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?search=PECOTA" onmouseover="doTooltip(event, jpfl_getStat('PECOTA'))" onmouseout="hideTip()">PECOTA</span></a>.
I don't consider <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=50101">Chris Archer</a></span> a homegrown Ray; he was drafted by the Indians and spent most of his minor league career in the Cubs organization.
I have this problem also...wish all the .gifs weren't autostart; that seems to cause the issue.
<span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/player_search.php?search_name=Chris+Young">Chris Young</a></span> has given up a home run in all 12 of his starts this year.
His starting stretch was interrupted by two homerless relief appearances in May, but still...12 starts in a row.
They have said they are:
I can never understand why the likes of <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=45544">Kevin Jepsen</a></span> and <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=58911">Trevor May</a></span> show up on these fantasy reliever rankings, but never <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=56449">Kelvin Herrera</a></span>.
Every Royals game I watch I wonder who these guys are and when they're going to send their ransom demands. They've been doing things like this at an alarming rate:
Ah. Yes, of course. You'd think I could have figured that out.
So this line is confusing:
"On Monday, the defending American League champions will attempt to sweep the Rangers..."
The Royals are playing the Nationals, not the Rangers, aren't they?
Speaking as a fan of neither team, Heyward's comments were ill-advised in my mind. But in all fairness to him, the vitriol started BEFORE he made them, and was trending on Twitter within seconds of the announcement of his signing. No, Cards fans, you can protest all you want about it being because of what he said about your team. Admit it: The REAL problem is that he signed with the Cubs.
I'm not so sure that King Felix's rumored velocity decline is the mirage you feel it is: His 4-seam velocity was down to 90.83 yesterday, following reports of it being down all spring as well.
Yeah, but everything I have heard says that the Indians are tapped out financially. A De Aza trade seems unlikely, given the Mets insistence that the acquiring team take the entire salary obligation.
But they traded Kinsler!
We need to also consider the opt-out - if he's good the first two years, he's out of there and the Royals are off the hook for the rest of it. It's a risk, to be sure, but the Royals have to maximize those two years, after which most of the core of the team will be gone to free agency.
You usually have the breakdown of votes somewhere; am I missing it?
But if it's on the Internet it must be true! :)
I live in Kansas City. Believe me, it is not the seat of Jackson County.
Loved the article anyway. I should have already said that!
Kansas City isn't the seat of Jackson County. Independence is.
It was actually the Braves:
The Bundys can say all they want about this and deny that it's a problem, but 293 pitches in three games in the span of four days for a 17 year old is just stupid. Bundy was way overworked as a high schooler and this is just one example.
I clicked on this in the hopes of finding out who The Outfield Creep is. Imagine my disappointment.
Can you include the signing/drafting team for players who were acquired in trade please? You did this for Fulmer, but not for Jones or Cessa.
(although yes, I can figure it out for Cessa since he came in the same trade with Fulmer...)
If Duffy is moved to the bullpen they better sign more than one starter, otherwise the rotation is dangerously thin.
Personally, I think there is zero chance Greinke will return to the American League. He likes to hit too much. An AL team is going to have to pay more than market value to entice him.
He's not saying that <span class="statdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?search=PECOTA" onmouseover="doTooltip(event, jpfl_getStat('PECOTA'))" onmouseout="hideTip()">PECOTA</span></a> should have projected the Royals' success, either for the whole season or just this game. He's saying the same thing I've been saying for months: PECOTA clearly does not know what to do with the Royals. This is the third year in a row that it has seriously underestimated them.
Not just last year and this year, but 2013 too, when they won 86 games. PECOTA projected them at under .500 that year too.
The game is changing and PECOTA hasn't changed with it...yet.
I've been trying to tell people for the last two years that <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/player_search.php?search_name=Ned+Yost">Ned Yost</a></span> does not call for bunts...
Now, at a certain point you would like him to tell his players to stop that crap, but he really does just let them play.
How can he be the proclaimed worst tactical manager in baseball when he has no tactics?
Cain said it was his call. He also said he will never bunt again.
The <span class="statdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?search=PECOTA" onmouseover="doTooltip(event, jpfl_getStat('PECOTA'))" onmouseout="hideTip()">PECOTA</span></a> projection for this game is less about how much it likes Price than how much it hates the Royals. PECOTA is undoubtedly shocked that they won even one game this series, as it has yet to project them as the favorite.
Another good rule of thumb is "never make your audience feel dumb."
Sometimes it feels like articles of this ilk are meant to be an inside joke - and you're the only one not included. This time it's clear I wasn't alone.
Yost didn't call for a hit-and-run, nor for a run-and-hit. <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=24685">Rusty Kuntz</a></span> is ALWAYS in charge of when Royals baserunners take off. This did not come from Yost. The decision to send Hosmer came from him.
Here's a discussion of the play:
Dyson is not "so good on defense that he pushes Cain to a corner." That's a fallacy, and the Royals have said so repeatedly. When they bring Dyson in, they put him in center because he isn't at all comfortable in right. Cain, on the other hand, can play elite defense in any outfield position, and the team sacrifices nothing by placing him in right and Dyson in center.
I'd say he was pretty far off with the Royals too, as he picked them to finish fourth in their division.
You were sauteeing pasta? May I ask why?
My best tip for sauteeing pasta is don't saute pasta...unless the pasta is uncooked and you want to toast it before cooking.
If you want oil on your pasta, pour it over the pasta and toss.
This is actually the third year in a row.
Kluber's been scratched...
I fully expected to see the name "<span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=56299">Balbino Fuenmayor</a></span>" when I clicked on this article...very surprised.
It would be great if you would actually do this for the other teams you mentioned...
Jeff Foxworthy (who is a neighbor, good friend, and hunting buddy) says Yost is the funniest guy he knows. Who'da thunk?
So it's not at all clear from the article...is it correct to assume that only minor leaguers are eligible?
Are we absolutely positively 100% sure Worley said "see Earl?" No tape to listen to, but I can't help but wonder if he said "hurl."
Totally agree. Those who I've seen to argue otherwise have cited Canseco as an example, but they miss the fact that hitting a player in the field of play is completely different.
I think there's more than a small chance that the projections have underestimated the Royals for the third straight year.
Billy Butler was drafted as an outfielder.
Hosmer has a sprained finger and is not expected to play at all in Houston.
He had surgery to repair the injury and is out for the season. That's all I know.
<span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=52344">Kris Medlen</a></span>?
<span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=57705">Matt Dominguez</a></span> had a reputation as a slick-fielding third baseman when he was drafted. Now...not so much. And the metrics agree.
Is <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=734">Aramis Ramirez</a></span> even tradeable? He's having a horrible season and he's still owed $7 million.
The main reason Francoeur was left out there so long was because the Phillies' bullpen phone was off the hook. Attempts to contact them to warm someone up were futile. This was much discussed last night, so I'm surprised it's not noted here.
On another note...why are they still using wired phones in this day and age?
<span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=58407">Jordan Lyles</a></span> had season-ending surgery earlier this month, so I would imagine that most owners have already dumped him.
As a Royals fan, I know how I felt hearing the "what if they had sent <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=52054">Alex Gordon</a></span>" speculation all winter, so I haven't the vaguest clue how Rangers fans survived.
As a baseball fan, it was one of the most enjoyable and memorable games I have ever seen.
Go back and read the comment about Taylor Ward again.
No mention of <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=100727">Kyle Zimmer</a></span> pitching again, finally?
Considering that the Royals were rained out on Saturday, perhaps they should wear Friday's uniforms? At least that was a game that they won.
Am I the only one who is afraid that when somebody says Scwarber is "the best offensive catching prospect since <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=99903">Mike Zunino</a></span>" comes under the heading of damning with faint praise?
I think <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=70840">Jacob Lindgren</a></span> may have the inside track; he's in the majors now pitching out of the Yankees bullpen. And the Yanks will play the Nats in June.
Why am I confused by this? Players born April 1, 1989 and later aren't all U25...and those born in April and (most of) May of 1989 are actually 26 years old.
Somehow I don't think the Cubs are going to make the decision to do that to suit everybody's fantasy desires. Joe Maddon will do what he feels is best for the Cubs, not what's best for your fantasy team.
What am I missing?...<span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=1513">Johan Santana</a></span>'s game WAS a no-hitter.
I mean, I agree, the ball was fair, but to say the Mets don't have a no-hitter yet is rewriting history.
<span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=525">Mike Redmond</a></span> has offically removed Cishek from the closer role...
FWIW, <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=45621">Edinson Volquez</a></span> developed a blister on his thumb in the second inning, perhaps explaining the sudden bout of walk-itis.
When the season began, all the talk was "OMG, the Cubs are leaving Bryant in the minors for two weeks, they'll regret it when they miss the playoffs by one game!" Nobody was figuring on Bryant being in the bigs would actually cost them games instead.
Yost and Eiland were upset because a warning was issued, and that penalizes the Royals even though they were the ones who got hit.
If Kazmir didn't hit Cain intentionally there was no need for a warning.
<span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=56723">Danny Salazar</a></span> has been sent to the minors again.
A hillcat is supposedly a cross between a bobcat and a lynx.
That doesn't mean he can't still squat!
Considering that high school senior athletes have been known to select their colleges based on which sneaker company it uses, I would not be at all surprised to learn that the colleges with the coolest uniforms attract the best players. Therefore, I think it's unwise to dismiss the correlation between success and jersey out of hand.
And yes, I'm serious.
Is Nick Maronde considered a bust these days?
Home run rates are more subject to the vagaries of luck than they are attributable to "figuring out how to limit the long ball," and fly ball pitchers like Hughes are always going to give up their fair share.
Doug, is there a downside or injury risk to pitching exclusively from the stretch, a la Carrasco? I've always heard that starters shouldn't do it, but I've never heard a reason why.
In consideration of the "Convertees" and the 25% rule, I'm curious to see what PECOTA thinks of Wade Davis - another Convertee - this year.
Ditto on that...the Royals were next on the schedule, not the Tigers. Now the Royals don't appear on the schedule at all. What gives?
No, he can play, and almost assuredly will. It will, of course, be in the Padres system, though.
It's not so much the signing of Rios that's blast-worthy - it's signing Rios for $11 million when it's way more than he is likely to be worth.
Considering that there was a lot of talk prior to the trade that the Giants were going to non-tender Sanchez that offseason, yeah, I think you are misremembering a bit.
Infante played hurt all season, so one could hope that a healthy Omar is a better player in 2015.
Wow...Slade Heathcott went from #4 in the system last year to non-tendered this year?
And Heisey makes seven...
I realize Infante is getting older and may be kaput, but let's keep in mind that he played hurt all season, with shoulder issues. I expect that any day now there will be an announcement that he's having it cleaned out. It hampered both his ability to swing the bat pain-free and to throw the ball.
Of course not, not at BP. That would be admitting that the man might have done something right.
How can you mention the pool of available DHs this offseason without bringing up Victor Martinez?
I just can't see any team giving up a draft pick to sign Robertson, so I'm guessing he becomes the first player to accept a QO.
I too chuckled at the thought of Butler to the Phils. Surely he plays 1B while Howard goes to the OF, right?
I've heard many things about Sam Selman, but "expected to move quickly" is not one of them.
Can somebody get ahold of Evan Brunell and have him tell us what Strickland said to Salvador Perez? I'm a terrible lipreader...
It didn't happen Monday, but I see that Kyle Zimmer had to be shut down again...such a shame.
Well, maybe I'm wrong to say it's the premise of the article..."worst team based on performance"...but what constitutes "performance?"
The Royals finished with a better record than the A's and were, by the article's premise that the better team is the one that won more games, not the worst AL team in the postseason.
Crow hasn't been on the postseason roster yet, and he won't be this time either. Other than The Cyborgs at the back end, it's Frasor, Finnegan, Collins, and Duffy.
No wonder I was confused by that paragraph...all I could think was "wasn't Bruce Bochy managing the Giants in 2012?" followed by "I don't think that was 2012."
Duffy is a question mark because a) he had shoulder issues in September and missed most of the month, b) when he came back he was more Danny Duffy 2011 than Danny Duffy 2014 (ie, lots of pitches, lots of deep counts), and c) his mechanics have been really out of whack ever since the injury. Did you notice how much he was fighting it during his one ALDS appearance?
Yost would like to use him, and I sure would like to see him. When he's on he absolutely netralizes lefties, but unfortunately I'm not sure he's considered the best option right now.
Matt Shoemaker vs the Royals this year: 2 games, 9 IP, 19 hits, 11 runs (10 earned), WHIP 2.33, ERA 10.00. Granted, these two games were the only two times I saw him this year, but he looked so ordinary both times that I'm astounded he turned in such a good season overall.
Royals are using Ventura to start Game 2, and Duffy will be in the 'pen.
Aaron Crow left off the roster.
But...but...but...Dalls Braden assured us most emphatically that Melvin made zero errors all night!
That game definitely put the "wild" in "wild card."
While I think he probably will retire, Josh Willingham states that reports he has made the decision to do so are incorrect and premature.
Mustard may absolutely go inside the bun.
Don't the A's need a combination of two wins and/or Mariners losses to clinch a wild card, not one? One would make for a tie with Seattle.
As an aside, do we have the slightest idea WHY Ned Yost would have Yordano Ventura go 117 pitches last night?
Because the eighth inning is Clippard's inning.
Ned Yost doesn't have a monopoly on this kind of thinking.
Link to the article about Danny Duffy's shoulder is broken too.
Brandon Finnegan and Kyle Zimmer may be part of the Royals' "plethora of hard throwing arms with which to refresh their bullpen" but Christian Binford decidedly is not, as his fastball barely hits 90.
Hmm...ESPN in Oakland last night, followed up by a trip to Kansas City for this Sunday night. Aren't they afraid of losing the East Coast? What is the world coming too?
I'm not so sure...remember the names that will be free agents this offseason. Lester, Scherzer, Shields... Not exactly a seller's market trying to trade a pitcher when there are so many big names out there who won't cost you players.
Mike Montgomery = Wonka Bar
Priceless. I'm still laughing.
Turns out the average high temperature in August in Jamaica might not be as high as Big Papi thinks: around 88 degrees.
Perhaps he should have picked a place like Phoenix or something, where the average high in August is 104.
There are more than a few whispers that George Kottaras is NOT a good guy - bad in the clubhouse, other players don't like him, rude to strangers, embarrasses those with him, an overall bad representative or ambassador for the team he plays for, you name it. Hence he wears out his welcome with new teams quickly. Most journeyman types wind up with the same team more than once; notice this has never happened with Kottaras.
Scott Downs pitched for the Royals on Sunday; yesterday was not his debut.
I don't see this as a problem to worry about at this point; these things tend to have a way of working themselves out. If nothing else, somewhere along the line the Cubs will need premium talent to trade for pitching, since there is basically none in their system.
And your point was?
At least they got eight years and two Cy Youngs out of Sabes before trading him. The one that still eats at me is David Cone for Rick Anderson, Mauro Gozzo, and Ed Hearn. I hated it then and I hate it now.
Re Schwarber, he's SUPPOSED to tear up Low A, isn't he?
I know you listed Yohan Pino as a "sit," but didn't the Twins send him down yesterday anyway?
Hmmm. The Royals' slogan this year is "Be Royal," not "The Royal Way." Something apparently got lost in the translation in the 65 miles from Kansas City to your source in Topeka.
The Royals have said that Cuthbert playing first is temporary, and that he will move to second in a couple of weeks.
Actually, Guthrie's whiff explosion wasn't just in his last start, as he has struck out nine in each of his last two outings. Still can't trust him, though.
JD Martinez didn't make a throwing error to allow Billy Butler to go to second. His error was in letting Butler's single skip by him in the outfield and get to the wall. Doesn't matter much, I suppose, but it was way funnier this way than a throwing error would have been.
Missouri is not a small state, and Kansas City and St. Louis, being on opposite sides of it, are far apart. Examples of cities in other states that are closer to Kansas City than St. Louis is include Des Moines, Omaha, and Wichita, and Indianapolis is closer to St. Louis than Kansas City is.
Monte Harrison is from Kansas City, not St. Louis, so not a "local kid" for the Cardinals.
Damien Magnifico...now that is a truly magnifico name.
The Rockies are playing the Royals in KC this week; who do you see them using at DH?
If Josh Kalk had indeed parachuted out of a Tropicana Field luxury suite to tackle Matt Moore before his final pitch it would have been quite a feat...considering that the game was in Kansas City.
With Pelfrey under contract through 2015? Not likely.
Tonight's Rays-Yankees game is the second of the series, not the first.
He has a hamstring injury.
And unfortunately the game was rained out. No Yordano Day until Tuesday.
It's new under the new CBA, yes.
Such a clause is impermissible under the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
How does anybody have an "amateur contract?"
Trying to figure out why you have Holland in Tier 3 for saves when PECOTA projects 32. Isn't that Tier 2?
(Also can't understand why PECOTA projects the lowest strikeout rate of his career, but that's an entirely different question...)
As somebody who knows zilch or less about cricket, I love this explanation for its zany incomprehensibility. I do have a couple questions, though:
"When both sides have been in and all the men have out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game!"
First, how do you score?
Also, I thought some cricket games simply never end at all - does that mean that it's possible that either side is never in twice and / or out twice? If true, then is the score rendered moot?
Is Ryne Stanek really considered to be a relief-only prospect now? I can't imagine the Rays aren't going to try to develop him as a starter. I would have thought he'd be in the "maybe he'll have to move to the bullpen later" group, not the "reliever only" group.
Not to belabor the point, but the very same evaluator described Ventura's fastball as "straight," yet you say it has "explosive tailing movement." How can that be?
Surpised there is no Justin Nicolino amongst The Bad? 5 runs 7 hits in 1 2/3 IP. Against a college team. Oy, that was ugly.
Adam Katz was Ervin Santana's agent for about three months in 2012, after which he went back to Bean Stringfellow, and Stringfellow remains Santana's agent currently.
Well, here it is 2014 and I think Steven's placement of Wieters on the list was spot-on after all. He's not a useless player, but he's nowhere near what he was expected to be.
And an expensive Boras client to boot.
I assume when Craig selected "Raul Mondesi Jr." he means Raul Adalberto Mondesi. Raul Ramon Mondesi Jr. is Raul Adalberto's older brother in (I believe) the Rays system, although he didn't play last year.
Raul Ramon Mondesi Sr. apparently has a George Foreman complex.
He asked the world about a year ago to call him Raul (even though his older brother is also Raul).
Matt Adams' September didn't consist of just his home runs, so only bringing up who he hit them against isn't really the point. He faced plenty of replacement-level pitching and hit .315/.344/.609. Oh, and don't forget the totally unsustainable .368 BABIP for the month.
Anybody taken in the minor league phase of the Rule 5 draft is the official property of his new team, who may assign him to any of its affiliates it wishes. No strings attached, and no requirements that they stay with that affiliate for any minimum length of time.
There is also a AA phase; there were no selections this year. Not sure how eligibility is determined for the minor league phase.
Unfortunately, I don't believe it ever will.
Am I the only one who finds it EXTREMELY strange that Scott Boras would sign his premium FA of the winter so early in the offseason? We haven't even made it to the winter meetings yet. It makes me very suspicious of Ellsbury - Boras knows way more about him than we do. I have a strong feeling that this is going to turn out very badly for the Yankees.
Miller and Adams for Profar feels like too much for the Cardinals to give up to me. I think the Rangers would have to add another piece. Seems like a good foundation for a deal, though.
(Full disclosure: I'm neither a Rangers nor a Cardinals fan.)
Johnny Giavotella's career minor league slash line is .305/.378/.438 and you call that uninspiring? I guess that you must only dig the long ball. My guess is there are several teams out there that would be willing to give him a chance since the Royals so obviously aren't.
Royals and Indians will be playing at Progressive Field in Cleveland, not at Kauffman.
Holland often brings out his splitter for lefties; surprised he didn't give it a shot there instead of wringing the slider well dry.
I was just going to ask...thought maybe I was confused or something.
It's an NL-only article, but I'll help a bit: Duffy will start today, and the Royals have said that he is taking Davis' rotation spot for the rest of the season. They want him to get 5-6 starts or so.
"Hobbs Johnson" is an outstanding baseball name. Sounds like it came straight out of the Dead Ball Era.
The Angels didn't HAVE to chase guys like Blanton & Hanson. They could have instead held onto guys like Haren and Santana. Granted, Haren isn't what he was and has had some brutal stretches in DC, but Santana has been pretty darn good. In any case, I'd take Haren and Santana over Blanton and Hanson any day, and I said that before the season started. But the point is they didn't have to chase after two starters when they already had two starters under contract for the year. DiPoto opted to downgrade his rotation, and the Angels are paying for it.
For the Royals you're far more likely to see Danny Duffy than Yordano Ventura. Actually, not mentioning Duffy here is quite the oversight; he's pretty much guaranteed to be a September callup. Some of the guys listed here are pure speculation or even doubtful.
And Reed blew another one big time last night...
I just still can't buy "money in the bank."
Dan Vogelbach looks like Santa Claus.
For the unaware, I would like to point out that was Zimmer's AA debut.
I should have said that I specifically went with Santana because he is more expensive. The Royals took a much larger risk. Also, other may disagree, but I think he waws more of a surprise than Liriano. Both are fine choices, though.
Is that 13 at the end of Duffy's stat line 13 Ks? If so, pretty good for 5.1 innings.
Since you invited criticism in the comments, I'll put forth my two cents. I'd take Ervin Santana at SP over Liriano. What BP said: "Santana was an absolute mess last year, and although some of that was bad luck, Kansas City may not do a lot to help him turn things around. He doesn’t lose a lot in any one spot, but when you add up the losses in park, offensive support, and defensive support, it matters. He’ll get a bit of a boost at catcher, but that’s about it. If he’s to bounce back, it’ll mostly be on him."
The only thing right about that was the lack of offensive support. Not only wrong about Santana, but wrong about the Royals defense, which by some measures has been the best in MLB this year.
"Bullpen grades on most Dominican arms..."
This doesn't surprise me, as I think most evaluators do, but I've never seen one say it. Can you explain why (as in, why most get bullpen grades, NOT why no one says it)?
Kepler..."looking ahead to the remainder of June?" Was the blurb on his written last month?
The Royals were using Francoeur almost exclusively against lefties since May. The problem with the "Frenchy as a platoon player" meme is that he really hasn't even hit lefties since 2011.
Stick a fork in him.
Is anyone else put off by the idea of a 27 year old (Lennerton) playing in the "Futures" Game? I guess it underscores the fact that real first base prospects are hard to come by.
How is Addison Reed, he of the 6.75 ERA and three blown saves since June 1, classified as "money in the bank?"
My guess is he projects to be more valuable to a real baseball team than to a fantasy team.
Is Gasparini considered a better prospect than Max Kepler was when he signed?
Jake Odorizzi worth stashing?
"...the O’s had every reason to exhaust the non-surgical options before sending Bundy’s UCL to the scrap heap..."
"...you might well ask why the Orioles would waste time that Bundy could have used to start working his way back."
To me that implies that the assumption is the Orioles decided whether he was having surgery and when, which may not be true.
Why is it that everybody forgets that athletes actually have a say in whether or not their bodies will be cut on? Everybody is blaming the Orioles for the delay, and lost among the accusations is the fact that Bundy himself may very well have made the decision to explore all non-surgical options first. Surgery is not without risks. Athletes are people too, and most people try to avoid surgery when viable, potentially successful other options exist.
So he almost made first tier but instead you give him a down arrow simply because you don't want too many guys in the first tier? That makes no sense. He's not trending downward at all.
No need for grammar policing either, especially when "re-aggravate" is perfectly acceptable when one means "aggravate again."
I can't figure out why so many people want to call Billy Butler Brett. I hear it a lot.
Same thing they've said all along...that his baserunning and fielding still need work. And that they would like for him to cut down the strikeouts before coming up.
Considering the Rays have said that they haven't even had any discussions about bringing Myers up, I doubt that it happens any time soon.
I don't know; the Rays have said they haven't discussed bringing him up at all.
Funny to read this today knowing that Jose Alvarez was sent back to AAA last night.
Time to pick up Myers? Where is he going to play? Unless the Rays have an injury, there's no room for him, except as a fourth outfielder, and I doubt they want to do that.
Yost's comments on this were pure comedy. Seems the Royals statisticians have been providing him with a lineup on a daily basis for a long time but "I have never used it before."
That's tantamount to saying "so yeah, we have these guys that we employ and pay presumably good money to and they crunch the numbers and do all sorts of statisticky things and make recommendations based on that, and then I ignore them."
If Kevin Kouzmanoff is in the Marlins system, he can't be playing for Omaha, which is the Royals AAA affiliate.
He needs an article about a good pitching coach?
Further about Lamb...that sounds in no way like his pre-surgery scouting reports. Command was always his calling card and he was said to have a plus changeup. Did surgery just totally do him in? A sad reminder the TJ surgery is not foolproof.
For some reason, that Phil Garner photo is positively frightening.
I have to admit that the mathematics involved in saber stats go way over my head, so when you launch into the "Gory Mathematical Details" I often skip forward to the conclusion. As a result, I'm not sure if this is the appropriate article for this question, but I'm going to ask it anyway, since it's a discussion of defensive metrics and WAR. And again, the question involves Bryce Harper.
I've heard Harper's rookie year characterized as "the greatest ever by a teenager." Tony Conigiliaro sprang immediately to mind, so I checked the numbers. Using basic stats, Tony C's rookie season at age 19 in 1964 he hit .290/.354/.530 with an OPS+ of 137. Harper at age 19 hit .270/.344/.477, OPS+ 120. Tony C's rate stats were better too, and it certainly appears that he had the better teenage season. But then you turn to WAR...Conigliaro's was 1.6, Harper's 5.2, and I'm sure that's where anaylsts trumpeting Harper as the best teenager ever are basing their statements. That's a big difference, and it appears to be in dWAR. Was Tony C that bad a defender? And given that it was 1964, how do we know? Should we even compare the two using strictly WAR?
Having seen a lot of Jamey Wright over the years, I feel I can safely say that Jamey Wright closing would be positively frightening.
I love the scouts' comments, but sometimes they make me shake my head. Yunkiesky Betancourt has finally found plate discipline? He's not swinging at everything like he used to? Don't believe it. His 0-swing rate is 44%, the highest of his career and 25% higher than his career average of 33.9%. Overall, he's swinging at 58.5% of pitches, also the highest of his career.
Tommy Hanson's expected WARP for this point in the season was 0.4? Really? Why? How is that justified after 0.9 for the entire 2011 season and 0.0 for last year?
People seem to forget that, when it comes to Rodney, last year was the outlier, not the norm.
Guthrie's improvement is "suspicious?" What do you mean, "suspicious?" It sounds like you are accusing him of something. It's really very simple; and Dave Eiland talked about it late last season. As the Yankees pitching coach, he had watched Guthrie for many years, and always felt that batters could see the ball out of his hand too well. Eiland suggested a bit of a hip turn in his windup, and when Guthrie incorporated that beginning in his fourth start after joining the Royals, it did wonders for him. Nothing "suspicious" about it, and both Eiland and Guthrie have been very public in discussing what he changed.
So a scout is just now "starting to wonder" about Ackley? How recently has this scout arrived on this planet?
John Lamb at 84-86. Ugh. If that's the best it ever comes back, does that make him a non-prospect?
And, for that matter, neither is Luis Mendoza. It will be Wade Davis.
Verlander is not pitching tonight; Scherzer is.
Given all that Ian Snell has been through, and the personal difficulties, I am glad to learn that he is still in baseball. Good for him. I hope he has found some happiness.
Oh, I got it now. 7-for-41.
Trying to figure out Boegaerts line so far...he's 7-for-14 with 14 strikeouts?
What's this I hear about Adalberto Mondesi saying he wants to go by Raul now?
As a pitcher, predraft scouting reports were a mix of praising the results while noting that he had zero clue what he was doing. (They read something along the lines of, "If somebody teaches him how to pitch he could be scary.") Indeed, by his own admission he had never had any pitching instruction at all.
In my naive world it seems to me that picking up pitching would be a whole lot easier than picking up hitting, so moving him to the mound is a thought. I think you have to give him plenty of time to see how those other skills play out first, though.
It's certainly a high-risk gamble, and with Starling it was from the get-go, but when you're you have a chance at a superstar you take it. Maybe that pick does go bust, but the game is won with superstars. I can definitely understand the Royals giving him a shot. And it's still possible that one day it will go "click" for him.
I would think that would have been well within the Royals' radar already. Remember they went through this with Hosmer during his first full season, found that he had a vision problem, and promptly sent him to have Lasik.
I was bummed in 2010 when the Royals failed to get Gray signed after they drafted him in the 13th round. I remain bummed today.
I'm not an expert at all, but everything I know about the option rules dictates that, if a player was on a major league 40-man roster as Cox was and he plays any time that year in the minors, he has used an option. So yes, 2010 would certainly count as an option year. But here's another question: Under these circumstances, isn't he one of the rare players who qualifies for a fourth option year?
(Even if he is, the Marlins are under no obligation to use that option if they prefer to outright him off the roster instead.)
I'm not sure how anybody can justify the contined production of Big League Chew when you consider that candy cigarettes were banned decades ago.
I don't know where people get the idea that putting him on the 40-man roster will circumvent an already-levied suspension. Perhaps from what the Brewers did with Jeremy Jeffress I suppose. But that was an entirely different situation. Jeffress was added to the roster to avoid additional suspensions, not to escape serving one already levied. Singleton will have to serve the suspension whether he's on the 40-man or not. And if the Astros should bring him up to the majors, he would still have to serve it.
I thought Tepesch had already been announced as the fifth starter for the Rangers; am I wrong?
Francisley Bueno actually has an interesting story that you could have included. He appeared in only one major league game for the Braves in 2008 before resurfacing with the Royals in 2012. During his one 2008 game Alfonso Soriano over-enthusiastically celebrated what he thought was a home run (in fact, the ball hit the wall and went for a single). Bueno took exception to this and threw over Soriano's head in his next at-bat. He was ejected from the game and given a three game suspension. However, the Braves had optioned him back to the minors before he served it.
He spent the rest of 2008 and 2009 in the Braves minor league system, then pitched in Mexico for the next two years before signing a minor league contract with the Royals after the 2011 season. When the Royals called him up last season, there was the little matter of his still-pending suspension. An appeal was filed, allowing him to pitch in ten games before he actually served the supension - more than four years after it was initailly levied. (It was cut to two games on the appeal.)
Bueno actually pitched quite well last year and has a decent chance of showing up in the Royals bullpen at some point again this season.
After exhaustive research, I have discovered that Abraham Nunez was the hitting coach for the Royals Dominican Summer League team last year, and this year will serve as the hitting coach for their Appalachian League Burlington affiliate. So yes, Burlington...but right church, wrong pew.
The Royals Low A club hasn't been in Burlington since 2010. They spent the last two years in Kane County of the Midwest League and are moving to Lexington in the Sally League this year. Abraham Nunez, to my knowledge, isn't a manager anywhere in the Royals system.
I wouldn't say that David DeJesus "fits the job description to a tee." Like the aforementioned Boesch, he also meets only two-thirds of the job description as, despite where the Cubs have played him, he really doesn't have the arm for right field.
I'm curious about Archer's posture pre-trade(s). This is his third season in the Rays system; he was drafted by the Indians in '06, traded to the Cubs in '08, then again to the Rays in '10. It would be interesting to look at tape of him in each of the other two organizations; it may give some insight into whether the Rays specifically teach this as opposed to drafting it.
That pitch was a travesty.
Does anybody else find the strike zone shift for left handed batters as aggravating and unfair as I do? I know, I know, everybody always says that one main thing they want from umpires is individual consistency in calling the strike zone, and they are consistent with this. It just seems like a very large and unfair advantage for right handed hitters that the same pitches that are balls for them are strikes for lefties. If this is the stike zone for lefties, then pitches equidistantly outside to righties should also be strikes.
The article puts the statement in quotes, so I assume it's a direct quote from James:
“Right or wrong, it is my opinion, until somebody can show me where I’m wrong, that carrying left-handers in the bullpen is a complete waste of time and resources.”
He makes no mention of the word "situational." Maybe that's what he meant, but that's not what he said.
I'm a little confused about the explanation of James' statement about lefties in the bullpen. It sounds like he's not advocating that the platoon advantage isn't as beneficial as people think, but that teams would be better off with smaller bullpens in general, replacing those guys with more bench players. That's a totally different argument, and blaming it on the lefties is simply incorrect if the point is keep a smaller bullpe. In that case you should simply keep the best pitchers regardless of handedness, and blaming it on the lefties is baseless.
I wouldn't classify Luke Hochevar as "a member of the organization that preferred him to the other high-ceiling talents available in the 2006 draft." True, it's still the same organization, but he only people in the organization who remain from the time of the 2006 draft are David and Dan Glass.
Sugar Ray Marimon's given name is, indeed, Sugar Ray. First name Sugar, middle name Ray.
I'd also like to nominate Torii Hunter, who will turn 38 in July and is projected for 2.3 WARP.
What perfect timing...Carp has been traded to the Red Sox.
Duffy had had a tear in his UCL since 2009; it just finally gave out to the point of needing surgery. But you could still have a point...perhaps it wouldn't have given out if he hadn't had the velo increase.
Can you "freeze" the column headings so that they are readable when we scroll down? It's so frustrating to look at the numbers only to think "which stat is in that column again," have to scroll up to find it, then back down once more and find the player again.
Three Royals. Well, we knew it was going to be an interesting season.
I still wonder how the entire rest of the prospect world missed on Salvador Perez. Royals prospect fans certainly knew about him as the catcher of the future.
Why does PECOTA bother projecting an 18-year-old who hasn't played above rookie ball?
No, the CBA specifically does NOT say that the ten worst teams' draft picks are protected. It says the first ten picks are protected. There is a very distinct difference, and the wording is very different from the last CBA, where it WAS the 15 worst records from the previous season.
His first step would be to act like he actually wants to be there, something he totally failed at in Kansas City and Colorado.
To this day I remain incensed that Sutter is in the Hall and Quiz was totally disrgarded.
You have to bring up Yordano Ventura as well, then, as he regularly hits 100 as a starter, and can take it up a notch or two from there if he wants.
Why is it that Jesus Montero medium-deep league keepable, but Salvador Perez isn't?
(c) A Club and Player (or their designated representatives) shall
not enter into any agreement, understanding or contract, or make
any representation, promise or commitment, whether implied or
explicit, either orally or in writing, that the Club will not make a
Qualifying Offer to a Player, or that a Player will not accept a Qualifying Offer if one is tendered to him. Any Club or Club employee
that violates this provision will be subject to discipline by the Commissioner, including the potential forfeiture of draft selections.
How do we know that Morse is penciled into an outfield corner? Perhaps the M's intend to play him at first base.
Geoff, I can find your comments about Feliz in the chat you reference, but not any mention of Byung-Hyun Kim. What am I missing? I was curious to see what you said.
Considering that I, as a rabid AL fan, was totally unaware until now that Edwin Encarnacion DHed in 82 games this year, I can imagine the same is true of many if not most AL managers and coaches who voted for the award. I thought Encarnacion was primarily a position player.
Only the top 10 picks are protected under the new CBA, instead of the top 15, so the Mariners' pick at 12 would be the one they would surrender.
I agree, the offseason content is horrible, and they show the same thing every year. I mean, I enjoyed Ken Burns' "Baseball," but how often does one need to watch it?
I'm definitely not going to defend Moore; certainly you make some excellent points, but there are some misperceptions in your assessments.
The Meche signing was fine, until Trey Hillman opted to turn his shoulder into mincemeat.
Everybody in the industry thought that the Royals traded Melky Cabrera at the right time (and no, Sanchez was not going to be non-tendered; there were multiple teams that were upset about that trade because they felt they had made better offers for Sanchez).
Minor League POY plus others for a pitcher on the wrong side of 30...and a 27 year old pitcher who, with options, is under contract at reasonable prices for five more years and will also step into the starting rotation.
Every GM makes mistakes, but I agree there is the perception out there that everything he does is wrong. Couple that with the fact that they traded with the Rays, who everybody assumes do everything correctly (John Jaso for Josh Lueke, anybody? How about Pat Burrell?), and there was no way he could win popular opinion with this one.
Texas fans would howl in horror at that trade. From what I've seen and heard they would think that package with the addition of a high-upside relief prospect (say Tanner Scheppers) could net them David Price.
Agree...my first thought on that one was "Toronto better be sending a really good prospect." Part of my perception, though, is I'm not a Gose fan at all and don't see why he's so highly rated. Guy can't hit.
I'd rather have both Archer and Alex Cobb. Archer by a long shot. I also definitely prefer Taylor Guerrieri, although that is perhaps immaterial as he is still so young. Not sure about Alex Colome; I think that's closer to where Odorizzi slots.
Even with the departure of Shields, I have difficulty seeing Odorizzi cracking the Rays rotation. They still have at least five better pitchers, more when you consider their minor league pitching prospects. Unless they have a sudden rash of injuries, or Friedman goes nuts trading pitchers away, I'm not sure how much of a fit he is for them - other than to help satisfy the "you can never have too much pitching" requirement.
Montgomery? Well...it will be interesting to see if they can fix him. At this point he looks like strictly a bullpen arm to me. He could be a nice cheap bullpen asset, though, but I'm not sure how much that would help mitigate the possibility that Myers becomes Young v.2.
Is there something I'm missing here? What is the point? Just to be pseudo-funny?
Call me humorless, but I'm really tired of organization-bashing of this nature. It's old and unnecessary.
You know what? The Royals ARE going to keep trotting out Luke Hochevar every fifth day.
Baseball America thinks the Royals did well. Jeff Passan - a KC-based writer for Yahoo Sports - is OK with it. There are opinions on both sides.
Jason, you are incorrect in stating that part of Moore's motivation was to placate an angry fanbase. Believe me, the fanbase is MUCH angrier now than it was yesterday.
Well, let's see...this is a (supposed) recap from five years ago, so we can't call Alex Rios a soon-to-be 32 year old when he was then a soon-to-be 27 year old. If you're thinking in the now, the Jays can't trade him since he's with the White Sox.
Now that he's with a real team his popularity will explode.
Man, I hate myself for saying that.
Any idea why in heaven's name the Mariners would pay Jason Bay $700,000? Given that the Mets will be paying him $18.125 million for 2013, there's no way they should give him anything more than MLB minimum.
The way the article is worded it appears Jason is looking at only players on teams reviewed BEFORE the Royals, so Myers would not be included in the pool of possibilites.
Zack Greinke's WARP in 2009 was 7.2. That's substantially higher than 3.7 and it's within his last four seasons.
It's a bit early to put the "bust" label on Hosmer and Moustakas. As for Gordon, he didn't "forget to hit" for a few years. Scouts knew he has a huge hole in his swing that major league pitching would exploit. Until he demonstrated a willingness to change his swing to eliminate that hole, hitting, especially for average, was going to be a problem for him.
That's about what I figured. Thanks.
So, as a prospect, Zimmer rates ahead of Starling, but, as an under-25 talent, Starling rates ahead of Zimmer? I guess I can understand the thinking, but would you please explain?
Doug, isn't there also a correlation between "soft" and "sloppy" glove and susceptibility to injury?
I generally also insist on the exclusion of the apostrophe in words where its usage is incorrect, so please overlook the tragic yet purely accidental inclusion of one in the word "its" in my previous post.
The battle against the demise of the serial comma is one you cannot win, Jason. But I, too, insist on it's presence in my writings, so do not feel alone in your fight.
I don't know why you say that Hosmer didn't hustle on his own hustle play. Sure, he was looking over his shoulder from home to first, but at least he was running and not jogging while he did it.
Except that Segura is no longer a prospect.
Retract that. By the standards of "there must be no decent backup available," Francoeur doesn't qualify.
Indeed. I keep hearing how Jeff Francoeur was the worst player in baseball this year. And he's not even nominated?
Your theory that the Royals viewed Myers as a third round pick when they drafted him doesn't wash...they said at the time that they felt he was a first rounder and would have taken him in the first round had Aaron Crow not been available.
Nothing like adding senseless fuel to the rumor fire. Passan's article specifically states that the Royals are listening to offers on anybody not named Perez and Escobar. It has nothing to do with Myers having "faults." At least you touched on that briefly before wrapping up the article.
I too am grateful for instantaneous boxscores. However, I still sorely miss that incarnation of The Sporting News, surely one of the best baseball-first publications ever.
Man, it's a bummer when your only top talents under 25 who are actually in the majors are Ben Revere and Liam Hendricks.
Love the Shoppach "slide." I can't believe I didn't see it at the time.
I read it before they signed him, too! :)
You're going to have to get Bud to step in one more time, Matthew: Scott Baker has signed with the Cubs.
My guess is that's because Rosario is a DH masquerading as a catcher.
Eh, the Rockies were going to DFA Guthrie anyway, and the Royals always glom onto their castoffs. But let's make Jarrod Dyson the World Series MVP, just for grins.
Where can I find that Bauer graph?
Well, you know, uh, Royals.
Actually, Bruce Chen has started games for more teams than Edwin Jackson has. Chen has started for Atlanta, Philadelphia, the Mets, Montreal, Cincinnati, Boston, Baltimore, and Kansas City. That's eight.
Since his name is nowhere to be found, I feel compelled to bring it up before some Cubs fan does...Josh Vitters? Lost cause?
You said you will start with the Astros and follow draft order until concluding with the Giants. But the Giants don't draft last, the Nationals do. What am I missing?
Second the motion. I would like to know what your schedule is, if you have one yet.
Can't wait for these! It helps me get through the long, cold winter.
Having spent many years in the restaurant and catering business - and with the caveat that I have been out of that business for almost 15 years now - $25 per head per meal sounds crazy high for what you are proposing. I think this can be done for much less, particularly at lunch.
This is not a criticism at all, because this is one of my favorite daily stops at BP, but I'm thinking you wouldn't repeat yourself so much if you would vary who you write up a bit more. I'd like to see more of the lesser-known names appear on this list, not just the ones everybody knows.
I know I can find all of these articles, and probably read them at the time, but links to them would have helped.
How in the world could I have been a sports fan for so long and not know about asapsports.com?
I'm with Gotribe, and I'm not an Indians fan. Ever since Francona bit the dust in Beantown, the world has said he would only go to a big market team that's always in contention. Why is that necessarily so? And why he he being portrayed as an idiot for taking the Cleveland job? And why decide that you are "surprised that Francona isn't able to do better?" Since when are you inside Francona's mind? And maybe in his mind this is the best possible situation. In which case, no, Francona couldn't have done better.
I am supremely tired of the baseball world looking down on those they perceive to be worse than them. In this case, it's the Indians, but it could be the Royals, the Padres, the Pirates or, prior to this year, the Orioles or the A's. Or any of a myriad others deemed unworthy. "Why in the world would anybody want to go there?" When you really can get in someone's mind, perhaps you'll know the answer. In the meantime, I prefer that others not tag them with unattractive characterizations.
I'm not sure that the words "major league contributor" and either Robinson Chirinos or Sam Fuld should be used in the same sentence. Fuld does have a bit of value on defense, but he's useless at the plate, and Chirinos is a non- prospect entering his age 29 season.
"As regards the starting pitching..."
"...done something about the rotation?"
They did. They added Greinke at the deadline.
The Royals raised a lot of eyebrows with the size of the bonus they gave to Mondesi; apparently they have been vindicated.
Why do you consider Beras a long shot?
Jason, now that you've seen Bubba Starling, is he Donavan Tate 2.0, as so many have suggested?
"In order to believe that Acta deserved to be canned, we’d have to believe that someone else could have willed the Indians to win."
Is "deserved" the operative word here? Perhaps he didn't "deserve" to be fired so much as the Indians *needed* to fire him. Sometimes it's just best to start fresh with a different voice, and it's no reflection on Acta.
Does Taylor Jungmann still have the head violence at release? When he was in college I couldn't watch him because it made ME dizzy.
Astounding that, in 12 games against the Royals this year, Miguel Cabrera has yet to hit a home run. And that includes three games against Bruce Chen.
Like James Loney, the rest of the world has given up on Brett Wallace. You should too.
Actually, there is a 50th rounder playing in the majors right now: Jarrod Dyson.
Can we get a "Call-Up" on Jake Odorizzi?
Does anybody else feel that Brother Justin is going to wind up in the same underachiever category as Brother BJ, if he hasn't already?
Re maturity, I have heard that Cuthbert has really stuggled with homesickness. You would hope that after two years playing in the US that would abate some, but everybody is different. Language is not an issue, as they speak English in the Corn Islands, but assimilation apparently has been.
Just out of curiosity, have you assessed Perez's receiving over multiple games, or just this one? It would be interesting to know what he does in non-blowout situations and if the flaw you note is in some ways attributible to the Royals large lead in that situation.
Yes, yes, yes!
Nice to see somebody finally, finally give some props to Kelvin Herrera. Excellent rookie season. Oh, and his average fastball is 98.6 to Chapman's 97.7.
Despite overall perception, I'm not so sure that Luke Hochevar comes undone mentally under stressful situations. What I AM sure of is that Luke Hochevar cannot pitch out of the stretch. Whether that problem is mental or physical should be determined by powers greater than I.
I haven't seen a ton of Darvish this year, but I did notice during his start on Monday that he pitched exclusively from the stretch, even with the bases empty. And it was one of his best starts of the year. I know he used a windup at the beginning of the year; any idea when he scrapped it and how much of a difference it's made?
"...nobody wants to watch a player get destroyed night after night after night."
When I read this, my first thought was Brett Jackson. And I'm not a Cubs fan.
We'll miss you, Kevin. Best of luck in your new endeavor.
(tear slowly slides down cheek)
The Royals-Red Sox series isn't over, and they've only played three games.
Generally I object to being force-fed a steady diet of the Red Sox, Yankees, and Phillies here in flyover country, but I have to admit I'm glad the Angels-Red Sox game was the only show on national TV last night. It provided me with my biggest laugh of the year.
For how many years have we been hearing that Luke Hochevar is going to put it all together "next year?" Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
The strange thing about the Dempster passport situation is he lost it some years back. I believe he lives in Colorado now, but it seems odd that he hasn't been home for so long.
Why is Vizcaino listed with the Braves instead of the Cubs?
Follow up on Allie, is he a legit prospect as a position player? Or did the Pirates spend a ton of money on a fringy guy?
John Lamb's rehab didn't really take any longer than usual. The problem is he sprained his foot toward the end of it and had to be held back an extra couple of months.
Anyway, only one inning and all, I know, but any word on how he looked?
I'll probably get thumbs-downed for this but sorry, any post that pretends the Red Sox are in the pennant race on the theory that "they aren't mathmatically out of contention" can't be taken seriously. You may as well list a Phillies prospect as well.
I see a bit of Zack Greinke in Trevor Bauer, in a mad scientist kind of way.
I'm not a good lip reader, but does it seem to anybody else that the far right shot of Derek Holland looks like it came straight from Sam Miller's F-word article earlier this year?
Darn, I wish "reply" worked. Kevin, if a .pdf is no good, then how about issuing it in plain old bound paper format? Call me a dinosaur, but I still prefer dead trees for reading.
The title of this article sure is misleading.
@jharrison - "Reply" doesn't work for me and more either. It would be nice if BP fixed this.
The odd thing about Myers is he never had a K rate like this previously. Some of it is attributable to being pitched backwards regularly for the first time and needing to make the adjustment. He has also talked about being more aggressive early in the count, which is a change in approach (and probably not an unwelcome one, as some scouts were starting to whisper about passivity). I guess you have to decide whether the tradeoff of more power is worth it, and a lot of people would say yes.
I realize I can get a free Kindle reader and install it on my computer, but I would really like to see this in some other format as well. Even a .pdf would be great.
Billy Butler's power surge started long before Cano snubbed him; his HR pace in April and May this year was by far the highest of his career. He actually would not have been a horrible choice for the Derby.
Reply not working...Agent 007, Flynn was a 2011 draftee; he can be traded.
There is SOOO much better 'Q in KC than Gates. Gates is for tourists.
When do the US team notes come out? I'm hoping no later than tomorrow...
Certainly that is why. But that's not the point. The point is that he SAID he would take a Royal when he was selected as captain, then didn't do so.
Actually, no, baseball has said there is no requirement that Derby participants be All Stars. This was clarified I believe last year. They said that there has never been such a requirement, even though it was always assumed. Custom has made it so, however.
Kevin, do you think the Royals should see if they can convince Eibner to go back to pitching?
Passing on Johnny Cueto due to a perceived grudge is one thing. But passing on Zack Greinke and stating that the reason is that he is scheduled to pitch Sunday WHEN THE BREWERS MADE SPECIAL PLANS TO MOVE HIM TO SATURDAY INSTEAD AND IT WAS WELL KNOWN AND DONE WELL IN ADVANCE is inexcusable. If you're going to make up a reason, make up one that's at least believable. It's not like LaRussa is a real busy guy right now. He had time to figure out who was pitching Sunday and who wasn't.
"The barn side of a broad...?"
Rio Ruiz is 18 years old and has yet to play a game. He is so far away that his presence in the system has nothing to do with anything the Astros do at the major league level.
I think a lot of people have written Starling off because a lot of people have assumed he's Donovan Tate v.2 (even though Tate isn't really a good comp for Starling).
Grr..."Reply" not working. To Tythelip: Both Moustakas and Lawrie have been more valuable than Beltre this year; how about we give the honor to the guys who are, you know, deserving.
I didn't realize that scouts had come down so far on Perez. A 3 with a chance to be a 2? That's still good, but three or so years ago in the BP annual you stated that scouts projected "true stardom."
Good article, Ben, but the underlying premise of using Melky Cabrera for an analysis of a supposed age-27 breakout is flawed. Melky Cabrera's breakout season was LAST year, not this year.
Jason, asking for suggestions is, well, asking for it. I predict overwhelming response.
That said, please add Mike Montgomery to the list.
This is exactly what has been said about Lawrie since his high school days, something that many scouts found to be problematic, and the likely reason that he was never rated as a tip-top elite prospect. He was often described as a red ass, which has few good connotations mixed in with lots of bad.
You don't think Blanco, not Arias, was Cain's Dewayne Wise? Seems to me that Arias was actually Cain's Alexei Ramirez.
There is not a GM in the game that doesn't use the word "Process" - it's a buzzword that I've heard come out of countless GM mouths. Moore shouldn't be singled out for using it over anybody else.
Since Rizzo already has some service time, isn't his service time issue more than two weeks away?
Note that the Royals have already said that when Perez comes back he will NOT catch every day this season. Look for about four games a week.
Another website had a spirited debate amongst commenters regarding Taveras vs Wil Myers. Who do you feel ranks higher and why?
Is it too late for Felipe Paulino to be a Value Pick?
Myers is so good Kevin decided to award him an extra L!
It's also funny in that it would never have happened under ANY circumstances because the determination of talent level is subjective. Unless MLB is going to assign amateur players to teams according to its own assessment of "talent," instead of having a draft, and can you imagine the can of worms that would open?
Oh, I wasn't advocating for bringing him up; just saying that I don't see how it's complicated beyond the usual avoiding-Super-2 thing. I agree there's absolutely no hurry.
Not so complicated to get Myers to the majors: Send Jarrod Dyson down to AAA where he belongs. Worry about Lorenzo Cain if/when he ever gets healthy.
I know; I can hear your response already: "Myers isn't a CFer." Can he handle it for a year or two without killing you while he's still young?
Really glad to hear Adam's changeup has come around; that was one of the early knocks on him (although that knock is typical on pitcher's fresh out of high school).
I still don't get all the consternation over Myers playing 3B - he played there quite a bit as a high schooler, and where is the harm in versatility? If he can play some infield as well as outfield, isn't that a good thing?
Actually, when there was talk of "not a catcher" a couple of years back, my thought was that 3B would be a good fit for him. You don't worry about what is above a prospect in the organization as those things tend to work themselves out, and an outfield move could always be made later.
The only team on that list responsible for "raising" Bautista is the Pirates. 100% of his minor league playing time was in the Pittsburgh system. He had a grand total of 12, 15, and 26 PAs with the Orioles, Royals, and Rays respectively, all at the major league level. Those three organizations played zero part in his development.
I didn't get the logic behind moving Sale either. I mean, his elbow hurts, so let's move him to a role where we might ask him to throw max effort every day? Instead of pacing himself once every five days? How does this make sense? How about starting with skipping a start and going from there?
Rany has checked out before, so this isn't the first time:
He's not taking a full break; he's still on the radio in KC regularly, and he tweets Royals often.
As for Rob, he did simply give up, saying he simply didn't have the same feeling for the team as in the past. He does admit that there is still a soft spot in his heart for them, though, and has hinted that he could be won back.
Maybe his injury doesn't qualify as career-ending, since he actually came back and played, but since Tony Conigliaro is here then I would nominate Bo Jackson. I have always felt that baseball was truly cheated by not getting to see a full career of a healthy Bo that wasn't ruined by football.
I saw that too. Figured Jay has gone all British on us.
The Royals AAA affiliate is in the Pacific Coast League, which is a mighty fun place to hit.
I think that Kevin makes an excellent point when he brings up the 40-man roster in regards to Myers. He's not on it, and as a 2009 draftee from high school, he doesn't have to go on it until after 2013. I doubt the Royals are going to hurry to add him to it, and I think that might even go for all of 2012. It's not like, say, Bryce Harper, who was already on the Nats 40-man when they recalled him.
Aaaaand....just about the time you posted this Myers homered again. That's 11 now, four games in a row, and five in the last six.
Yeah, that's kind. Escobar was a career .293 hitter in the minors, and while he has little pop, he has more than Iglesias.
Nolan Reimold had 14 infield hits last year. Ichiro Suzuki led all of baseball with 36. In fact, Reimold isn't even in the top 30:
I never realized that batted ball numbers varied from one source to the next. You have Eric Hosmer's LD% at 11.1%, FanGraphs shows 17.3%.
Well, the White Sox have a new hitting coach this year, Jeff Manto, but their hitters are underperforming at roughly the same rate as last year. Same players, different coach, same result.
The Royals, on the other hand, have the same hitting coach as last year. In 2011 Kevin Seitzer was universally lauded for reworking Alex Gordon and resurrecting the careers of Melky Cabrera (who is still succeeding in San Francisco) and Jeff Francoeur. Oh, and successfully nursing along several rookies like Hosmer and Mike Moustakas (who is doing just fine this year). Same players, same coach, different results.
I think maybe the coach just doesn't matter. Bad players are bad players and bad luck is bad luck.
The Rangers have two of the best systems in baseball? How is that?
Adam Wilk was sent to the minors yesterday.
You're right - my bad. I was looking at last year.
(Can't figure out why "reply" no longer words for me.)
I'll look again - I didn't look at the raw count, but the K rate listed that I saw was 21%.
Myers K rate isn't excessive at all. Are you just concerned because it's high for him? I'd be more concerned that his walks are down - although again, his walk rate is still above average, it's just low for him.
Choo wasn't hit by a pitch yesterday. That was from a game on 4/14.
These are yesterday's performances, not Sunday's.
Jason, do you think the Royals would be better off seeing if they can convince Brett Eibner to just go back to pitching?
Brian Wilson never was funny.
I see this question asked all the time, but I have yet to see an answer. Therefore, my belief is nobody has a clue.
(Grrr..."Reply" not working for me. Chiming in on Colon.)
I've wondered about that too. Shouldn't we save "happy if he's a good utility player" for guys who have more of a track record of underperformance than Colon does? I know he was expected to move quickly, but just because he didn't make it to the majors after 1 1/2 seasons' experience doesn't damn him to utility infielder purgatory yet.
I see today that Banuelos has been DL'd with a bad back.
If a dozen front-office types and scouts tabbed Brett Lawrie as "the great unknown," they have no notion of what is going on in the minds of baseball fans or in the media. Brett Lawrie has been so incredibly hyped that "unknown" is a laughable word to use in conjunction with his name.
Kevin, what are your thoughts on Kane County's Daniel Mateo, who played in that game too?
It's absolutely awesome that you'll be doing KC at the Negro Leagues Museum. I hope that venue will be heavily showcased during All Star Week.
For some reason I'm having difficulty with the "Reply" - this is for eyleraaron on Montgomery. I'm not Jason, but he said "a solid 2/3" in his chat last week.
I can't imagine using a fork and a knife to eat a banana.
Well, if we're going to do grammar police...should HAVE gone. NOT "should of." Never "should of."
All those strikeouts...
Tyrell Jenkins did all that in 16 pitches too. Pretty scary. Everything about that game was ugly on both sides.
Seconded - I would like to see bunches more every day!
Yeah, without stopping to consider whether I personally consider Joey Votto a superstar, I'm curious why John doesn't.
Hmmm....Reading this makes me wonder if CJ Wilson was in violation of the policy when he tweeted Mike Napoli's cell phone number:
"Players may not engage in the following
conduct with respect to the use of Social Media...Displaying or transmitting Content that contains confidential or proprietary information
of any MLB Entity or its employees or agents..."
If so, then Wilson should be disciplined. And he would deserve it, too. That was a really classless move.
It strikes me that Logan Morrison is awfully young for a non-catcher to have chronic knee problems. Is this a bad omen for the future?
The Tigers have some very real problems that everybody is ignoring or brushing aside as if they are nothing. Defense, as we know, is one of them. I still think they will win the Central, but it's not the automatic slam-dunk runaway that everybody is envisioning. A few things go wrong and they could find themselves looking up at the winner at the end of the season.
Questions in center field? Why? Yost has already said the job belongs to Lorenzo Cain, and just a day or so ago reinforced that by saying "ain't nobody pushing Cain out of center."
Why is Joe Terdoslavich included when he was in the book?
You should also give him credit for being the #47 prospect.
Other than being righthanded, how does Bourgeois differ from a two-years-younger Jarrod Dyson, who the Royals already have?
No, it's very different. I don't have to sort through to find the meat.
The Royals haven't decided yet, and won't until the minor league teams break camp. JJ Piccolo said he's tempted to put him right into Kane County because he feels Starling is up to the challenge, but at the same time he said the extended spring program would do him good.
I'm hopeful that some top 100 prospects who weren't included will be in the supplement. I'm not talking about the "very young" you have mentioned, or even about 2011 draftees with no pro experience - I can understand them being omitted. The most egregious example that springs immediately to mind is Jake Odorizzi.
He's only had two seasons in the majors, and his first year his defense was shaky as he adjusted. I would expect that number to change to something more commensurate with his second year performance.
With Salvador Perez having meniscus surgery, Brayan Pena will take over starting chores. The Royals only other major league roster catcher is Manny Pina - and he had his own meniscus surgery two weeks ago. That means the Royals will definitely be making room for another catcher, who may indeed be Max Ramirez.
Are you going to do an Arizona version too?
PECOTA is just so weird about the Royals. I'm not saying they're going to the playoffs, but heck, last year they won 71 games with a pythag of 78. Why wouldn't that improve? And the worst offensive team in the AL this year? Why? Based on what? They've been in the top tier of offenses in the league for the past few years now.
He doesn't get that title until he, you know, actually does it. Prospects are great and all, but not sure things, no matter how promising.
Count me in that group too. Padres fans have a right to be incensed about what happened, and concerned about the future leadership of the team if Moorad is making decisions.
Trout... possibly mono? Or has that been ruled out too?
What he said, and add Brent Morel to Valencia and Roberts.
What really aggrieves me is the way the same "analysts who aren't analyzing" are automatically handing everything over to the Tigers, a team that I see to have some very real issues. Can you write that column too, please?
Jeff Francis didn't have Tommy John surgery, he had labrum surgery. That's worse.
Oh, I see, it's for teams projected to finish third or better in their division. So they qualify, but only on a technicality.
Sorry if this sounds snarky, but since when are the Cleveland Indians slated to be one of 2012's best teams?
Greinke contract expires after this year; he does not have two more seasons on it. He signed it BEFORE his Cy Young season, not after.
Isn't Bleacher Report the one with all the horrible slideshows? Where absolutely everybody and his brother can and does post his own fanboy drivel? I sure hope the goal is for Steven to overhaul and improve it into something respectible.
Anyway, best of luck to you, Steven, and you will be missed.
I hope this isn't one of those incorrect assumptions commenters are making...but this comes off to me as a breach of protocol as severe as the one committed by the Orioles with Seong-Min Kim, and it reflects poorly on the Rangers.
I can sure envision a team giving its entire $2.9 million to one player, especially if he's the top prospect in that year's pool.
I'm with you on Porcello. To say that he won 14 games twice "on sheer talent"...well, discussing wins is dumb in the first place, but that's disregarding the crazy run support he got in 2011 and the unsustainable BABIP and strand rates in 2009.
Ben, your characterization of Porcello and his supposed "destiny" as a strikeout pitcher reminds me of all the people who kept insisting that Ichiro could be a home run hitter if only he wanted to. I'll believe it when I see it.
Laurenzi testified as to how he stored the sample, which was in the manner approved by the World Wide Doping Agency for samples that aren't delivered immediately.
The sample was tested for excessive degradation, bacteria, flora, etc. - as are all samples - and found to be acceptable. I'm sure this came out in the hearing as well.
How can Billy Butler be termed "mediocre" in 2010? His slash line was .318/.388/.469 and he had an OPS+ of 134. His value numbers, whether you like WAR, VORP or whatever aren't super-fantastic - and they likely never will be - but that's because he's not a great defender and we know it. It was still the top WAR season he's posted and in no way could it be called mediocre.
Jason, let me help you figure this out. We understand all you are saying about spring training. We even feel the same way. And we know that spring training, in and of itself, means nothing. The thing we like about it is not spring training itself, or its games, or its stats, but what it really means: Baseball is upon us! And the real games are coming soon! That's where the excitement comes from. And, while you may be at the beach, I will watch baseball when I can. Even spring training baseball. Because, well, because it's baseball. And baseball never bores me.
It's kind of harsh to say Jason Adam didn't take a step forward this year - it was his first year of pro ball.
Trout is in AAA, where - I believe - he belongs.
And, like Axford, Pecota should remember that Kimbrel also had horrible control as a minor leaguer.
The Royals had more quality prospects at the top of the list than the Padres do, so no, not really. There's a huge difference between 10 guys in the top 100 with four in the top 20 (I'm going by memory on what the Royals had last year, so if that's wrong I'm sorry, but it's close) and the Padres 10 guys in the top 100 with the highest at 38.
First name that came to my mind too.
There are at least two issues here that I see:
Kim has not yet started his final year of high school. I don't know for sure, but South Korean laws may require completion of high school and he will not be doing so since he intends to report immediately. Certainly most countries at least prefer to have their citizens complete their education, and even if it's not mandatory, it doesn't reflect well on MLB that the Orioles have convinced him to skip his last year. Many teams do agree with their youngest international signings that they will complete school and only work with the team outside of the school year.
MLB's agreement with the KBA is that MLB teams will not contact students before their final year of school, and the Orioles clearly violated this. MLB does value its relationship with the KBA (and NPB too, for that matter), and not honoring it is a black mark on MLB.
Agree with your assessment; since when are #3 starters five star prospects?
Doug Waechter...can anybody say "Matt Moore?"
I know, I know, Waechter was never in that category. But the small sample size/young pitcher caveats still apply.
Yeah, yeah, we know, but at least we have a few years first.
Not Jason, but were I the Royals I wouldn't lose sight of what I'm trying to accomplish. Remember how that approach worked out for the Indians last year? At the deadline they were in first place, so they sent their top two pitching prospects off to Colorado in exchange for Ubaldo Jiminez. They finished the season below .500, with renewed doubts about their future. Should the Royals find themselves in a similar position this year, I believe that they must hold the line. If the new CBA hurts small market teams as much as most believe it will, the Cleveland approach will seriously undermine the Royals organization at a time when things are looking so promising. 2012 is not the year anyway, and they know it.
I enjoy the movie, but agree that the book is even better. Read The Southpaw too, which is the prequel (as it were, since it was written first) to Bang the Drum Slowly.
I'm no Brandon Inge fan, but I asked this over on Steven's column and I'll ask it here too: If the Tigers decide they can't take the defense, why would they need to trade for a slick-fielding third baseman when they have Brandon Inge? I realize he can no longer hit his way out of a paper bag, but the glove is still pretty good, and with the lack of good third basemen out there these days he might be their best option.
Why would the Tigers need to acquire a third baseman if they decide they can't stand the defense? They have Brandon Inge, who, as I recall, is pretty darn good with the glove (if not the bat). Third base has pretty lean pickin's these days; he might be better than options they could acquire out on the market despite his offensive shortcomings.
Isn't there a "for cause" testing provision in addition to the random testing? In other words, isn't there a clause that says a player can be tested at any time if there is a suspicion of use? I'm not saying that the number of tests Bautista has undergone isn't an egregious and execrable use of the clause, but maybe someone, for reasons justifiable or not, believes he is juicing.
Actually, Rasmus is 25, will be 26 in August. The one who gets me is Snider; he just turns 24 next week. Kevin's "last chance" comment on him sounds harsh given his youth, but then again, if he doesn't kick it into a higher gear he's going to be easily passed in this system.
Why? It's not like the Phillies didn't know his price. Sure, they called his bluff, but they lost fair and square - because it wasn't a bluff.
The "Steve Boras" thing is easily explained: Many people had Scott Boras confused with Steve Boros and very likely thought they were one and the same person.
Aviles wasn't moved because the Royals deemed Betancourt a better fit; he was moved because he had Tommy John surgery and his arm wasn't up to shortstop for a while. Once he was 100%, the Royals had a need a third, so he played there.
I had heard that the Rockies were the only team that would take 100% of Scutaro's salary. Everybody else wanted the Sox to eat some of it. This may have been the best deal available if the point of it was a salary dump.
How do you know they are acquiring Oswalt?
Why would those teams want to take on such an overly-inflated salary? The Brewers would have to give up a very good prospect to sweeten such a deal, and they really don't have any of those (well, they do, most were 2011 draftees and can't be traded yet?)
Is anyone else surprised to see Kipnis ahead of Santana, given the fawning all over Santana since he arrived in the majors? I'm not sure I've seen Kipnis so highly regarded anywhere else.
Haven't I heard that Soptic falls into under the heading of "throws hard but has no clue where it's going?"
Actually, and surprisingly, Carlos Pena is worth well more than one-half of VMart, at least by WAR. Gut instinct, I agree, would tell you that he's not, but look at the numbers before assuming otherwise. The difference last year was very small - 2.9 for Martinez, 2.6 for Pena.
The book is certainly very dark and, yes, hard to like. I suppose in a lot of ways the movie has more to recommend it, but a rewrite was inexcusable.
Seconded. The book is even better, a must-read.
"The Natural" was horrible. I almost fell out of my chair watching the ending. I guess they felt they needed to rewrite the book for Hollywood: Happy Endings Only. Terrible.
Mets are nuts if they put Mejia in the major league bullpen when he's back to healthy. That would be a Minaya-like move, not an Alderson-like move. He needs more development time.
Kevin says the GED must be acquired after the 18th birthday to qualify for the draft.
I would assume the rules regarding GEDs have changed again, since Bryce Harper didn't have to wait until after his 18th birthday to get his? What's the rule now?
Exactly what I was going to say. The Royals were vilified for simply trading for Crisp three years ago, on the grounds that "they should know he won't stay healthy." Crisp played two months for them in 2009, then underwent surgeries to both labrums and prompting chants of "I told you so."
Coco has always had the hair, by the way. It's just that he used to keep it cornrowed most of the time, and he went back to that at the end of the year.
By those standards you should also be very high on Danny Duffy. Are you? Also left handed, also played for Team USA (in 2010), also very high ceiling high upside. And, unlike Luebke, did rank in BA's top 100.
I'm not arguing with your take on Luebke, just your reasoning.
I enjoyed Randy Savage. I do not enjoy Bryce Harper. No, I cannot explain the difference.
Dickey doesn't have to agree to relieve the Mets of his contract; this would be automatic. Such a clause is routine in every ballplayer's contract. The Mets could opt not to exercise it; they are just saying publicly that the will bring it into play if he is hurt.
I don't necessarily disagree with their stand, but I do disagree with them taking it public. They should have kept this in house rather than making their threat in the press.
The exec who said he'd "take Hicks in a second" must have been a Twins guy. If not, the Twins need to figure out who he is and work on a trade. Where is he getting this notion that Hicks has power?
Most pitchers take some time to get re-established once they return. I have actually heard several predicitions of a Cy Young for Wainwright in 2012, which is insane. If the Mike Matheny allows him to throw the number of innings that are generally required to make the voters happy, he should be fired.
Why does it have to be New York or Boston? Why always the cliche teams? Other teams have the ability to make trades too, and better farm systems to boot.
I hate Yuni B. That said, you state that the Royals could have controlled their costs better. If they don't have somebody who could take that job in their system for less money, who do you suggest is/was out there on the FA market who would? (Emphasis on the "would," because Yost doesn't exactly play his bench players much, and getting free agents to KC pretty much always involves either overpayment or hiring the dregs.) I mean, Ryan Theriot made $3.3 million last year. And don't say Chris Getz; he can't play any position but 2nd.
Well, let's see...last year the Royals traded Greinke later than this, and the trade was reflected in the Annual. So I would guess this one will be.
I thought the supraspinatus, infraspinatus, teres minor, and subscapularis were tendons, not muscles, as you refer to them. Even the picture calls them tendons. Am I wrong?
I'm very interested in seeing how these high-end pitchers turn out. There are rumblings of legitimate concerns that the Pirates' very strict 120 foot policy has contributed significantly to their track record of failed top pitching prospects.
Jason, when the AFL ended some prospect assessments ranked Bethancourt higher than Wil Myers, which surprised me. This was based on a combination of performance and projection. Your thoughts on that? Would you agree?
I may be alone in this assessment, but I think that Trout spending more time in the minors is a good thing, even so far as to get no more than a cuppajoe next September. He in no way looked ready to hit major league pitching to me. Does anybody else agree, or am I nuts?
And the best we can do nowadays is "Centerfield."
Kevin, I can't remember if you rank systems, but would you say this is a better system than the Royals? How deep do the three-stars go for the Padres?
Ethan Martin was a 2008 high school draftee, so wouldn't be Rule 5 eligible until next year.
Just as a question, how do you know that Broxton's physical was cursory?
We'll have to see who the PTBNL is in the Jaso / Lueke deal, but I tend to agree that giving up a reasonably useful catcher for a garden-variety bullpen arm is a bit of a one-sided deal for the Mariners. Perhaps the Rays are entertaining thoughts of auditioning Lueke as their closer to be prepared for the day that they are done with Kyle Farnsworth.
As an aside - what are Lueke's other "tremendous makeup flaws?" Everything I have heard points to a quiet, devout, born-again non-troublemaker, and this doesn't come from sources that are in any way trying to paint him sypathetically.
The odds of the Astros going "unreprsented" at the Winter Meetings are zero. Assistant GM David Gottfried was named Interim General Manager immediately when Wade was fired, and surely he will be in attendance.
I'm surprised that you didn't also address the AL ROY voting between the two corner infielders, and the lunacy of Mark Trumbo coming in ahead of Eric Hosmer.
Stars have nothing to do with the team's system. A three star is a three star in any system.
Re the ROY vote, you stated that Detroit was the only team with no player in the top 25. Al Alburquerque plays for the Tigers, and he finished 12th.
Wow, quite a drop for Montgomery since last year. Five star to three star. I know it wasn't a good season, but still, I don't think I'd have gone lower than four star.
If the Royals could acquire Hamels without giving up Wil Myers, Ruben Amaro should have his head examined, and the Royals will have scored a major coup. (notwithstanding the fact that he's already done a lot of things that should require such examination already...)
I think the only reasonably closely equivalent Braves pitcher is healthy Tommy Hanson. I wouldn't give a Hamels package for him right now, though - not until he demonstrates health again.
How about Hudson, though? I could maybe see that package. Jurrjens isn't comparable to Hamels. And everybody else isn't established enough.
Caveat: I really don't like that Red Sox package for Hamels.
I thought Delmonico was a catcher; have I lost my mind or has he changed positions as a pro?
One thing to consider with Sanchez: Replacing Melky Cabrera with Lorenzo Cain should do quite a lot to improve the Royals' PADE.
Does anybody really believe that the Giants were going to nontender Sanchez? Just to make sure that Barry Zito had a rotation spot again, instead of working out of the bullpen? I sure don't.
If you're a premium member (and you must be, otherwise you couldn't comment), don't you receive the newsletter automatically? I sure do.
You referred to the Royals overall substandard defense, but did not note that just replacing Cabrera with Cain will give that defense a significant boost.
Mike Sweeney had microfracture surgery.
I shudder to think. How about "Joey"?
As of this point the Royals have said Myers will start 2012 in AA with the goal of a midseason promotion to AAA. My guess is that, if that timetable works out and he performs well in AAA, he might get a September cuppajoe. Remember, though, that they signed Francoeur for two more years with the notion of a graceful transition to Myers in late 2013, not next year.
Myers could, of course, bust that timetable and force the Royals to do it another way, but that's the current feeling in the organization.
You took the words out of my mouth. If not for Tallis, the Royals wouldn't have been a force five years into their existence.
That was my thought exactly. And he follows that sentence up with "should be a contender for the next several years." With that many needs, I don't see how. They don't have the prospect chops to fill all those voids and, while Attanasio isn't averse to spending, the well isn't bottomless.
I'm not sure anybody ever projected Ackley as a fantasy stud.
Two things about Inge: 1) He's under contract for next year to the tune of $5.5 million. 2) The Tigers just can't quit the guy. Sure, they DFAed him last year, but I don't think they ever meant it to be permanent. It's a love-in-an-unheathy-relationship-style sort of thing, and I think that Inge is their 3B to start next year.
I think Bowden has rose-colored glasses where Alvarez is concerned, and I know I'm not alone. But I would bet that the Pirates, given their investment in him, aren't going to dump him just yet anyway. If he's going to break out in 2012 or 2013, they would want to be the beneficiaries.
The Astros may well be moving to the American League, but it will NOT be in 2012. Schedules and such for next year have already been set, and baseball will not change that. I believe I heard it will be 2014 or so.
Chad Pennington?!? The NFL quarterback?
Mayhaps you meant Cliff Pennington?
Curious question for the Royals fan in you, Rany: If all this leads you to concerns about Bubba Starling, how does it make you feel about Eric Hosmer, who was also Very Old for his draft class?
How awesome a name is Forrest Snow, anyway?
Wasn't Greinke thought by many teams to be a shortstop, not a pitcher?
Wilson is actually kind of a colorful guy, and quite outspoken.
Why would Teixeira waive his no-trade?
I was wondering that too: Can he play 1B? Seems the the Rangers are always looking for a solution there.
Royals have said that Perez will be their full-time catcher next year. No commitment on Giavotella, but I think 2B is his for next year.
I will be forever bummed that Joe Carter, one of my all-time faves, never played for his hometown team. Never sure how hard the Royals pursued him, but it sure would have been nice.
If the Rays need a first baseman, surely Bowden must think that the ultimate splash would be Prince. The heck with budgets!
Jemile Weeks? Really? Two first place votes? Why?
Is Josh Reddick not the Sox guy in right field next year?
Interesting you made it through the entire year without calling Melky Cabrera a Value Pick. Given the overall distrust of him, surely he should have been at some point in time. Sheer stubbornness?
Off the top of my head, he didn't recommend one for the White Sox or the Royals. Maybe others. I'm shocked - nay, shocked! - that he feels the Indians need one and he didn't say "make a splash and sign Prince."
First I heard that Tommy Hanson left his instructional league game because the pain in his throwing shoulder returned. I think, "That doesn't sound good." Then later in the weekend I heard the Braves are planning to have him (and Jair Jurrjens) pitch an inning on Wednesday. What gives?
I have my doubts that Wilson's blister was caused by the line drive since he has had multiple problems with blisters on that finger in the past. Just a recurrence.
The Royals will not have Cain in KC next year to have him rot on the bench; they have made that pretty clear. What they are likely going to do is try to trade Cabrera.
And just in time, too. It had been, what, about three days since he last recommended that a team sign Fielder? Withdrawal was starting to make me hyperventilate.
Actually, no, Ka'aihue at did not hit PCL pitching as well as Hosmer at has hit major league pitching.
Herrera was clearly way amped up last night. Yost should never have made his major league debut a tie game with two runners on base.
I didn't know that anybody outside of the Cubs organization actually HAD expectations for Hayden Simpson.
Just including Drabek in the projected rotation is some pretty blind faith. I haven't heard anybody say he looks like he can handle that yet. In fact, most reports on him sound fatalistic at this point - as in, afraid he may never make it.
And Buehrle won't go to Toronto.
Well, the Royals wouldn't probably have gone for Alonso, and Grandal couldn't be traded...would have had to start with Mesoraco and some pitching.
As a matter of fact, there are a fair number of people who were wondering last winter why it was that the Reds didn't get in on Greinke. There were no signs that they showed any interest.
And Daric Barton. And Brandon Allen. Bowden simply does not think through these suggestions; he simply says things like "Oh! The Reds could use Gio Gonzalez! Send them anybody!"
Actually, Melky Cabrera has zero platoon split this year:
vs RHP as LHB .303/.340/.477
vs LHP as RHB .303/.329/.462
This has been the key to his success, not just "putting the ball in play in just the right spot." If he truly has figured out how to hit righthanded, he may not regress near as much as you think.
And Flores is most definitely *not* going to be the middle infielder Bowden describes him as, which alters his value significantly.
I'm not an Upton fan either, but given that it seems I'm in a very small minority, do the Nats have the prospect-y punch to trade for BJ and Davis anyway? Seems to me the Rays will ask for a ton for those two together, Upton's impending free agency notwithstanding.
Salvador Perez thanks you!
(You should also make note of his line drive rate, currently a nifty 24.4%.)
Yeah, yesterday it was the Orioles. Prince is going to be a busy boy next year, playing for so many teams.
"The M's can trade Smoak in a package to the Indians for right fielder Shin-Soo Choo."
Bowden make it sound so delusionally easy, like all Zduriencik needs to do is pick up the phone and tell Chris Antonetti "I want Shin-Soo Choo" and Antonetti will say "Sure! Anything for you, Jack!" Why would the Indians trade Choo? And since when are they convinced Santana is their long-term catcher? Everything I have heard totally contradicts that.
My thoughts exactly...as you scroll down the page you eventually reach a point where you can no longer see the header row. This is one of my personal pet peeves of website design, and you see it everywhere.
I agree. Holland is the primary set-up guy now, and I think he would be first in line for closer after Soria.
Can Dominguez make it long-term if, as most people seem to think, he really doesn't hit at all?
I didn't say I knew the offers, I said he felt like the offers were of the lowball variety. I'm merely going by what Moore said, and it's his opinion that counts, not mine.
"Critters on the Field" stories/videos are always fun! I can't imagine anybody disliking this or thinking it inappropriate for BP. Life - and baseball - doesn't always have to be deadly serious.
To complete the story of the 2009 Kauffman Stadium kitty, there was a happy ending as the furry fugitive was adopted by a Royals employee.
That was my first thought. Wasn't somebody else from ESPN available? You know, like...anybody?
The reason Cain didn't make it to KC is simple: Melky Cabrera. Who should have been traded at the deadline. But I guess I can't fault Moore for not doing it when he felt he got only lowball offers.
I'm going to keep bringing his name up until he quits hitting...Salvador Perez.
Much as I root for Westmoreland, I think the chances are zero and less than zero for next year, and a very very small nonzero chance for ever.
Boy howdy, Bauer sure got knocked around.
Even before that, though, if I'm the D'Backs there's zero chance he pitches in the majors this year.
No AL-only VP for Salvador Perez yet?
You know, I like Jason Parks, I really do. A lot, actually. And I know he tries to be neutral when writing here. But I detect a very strong Rangers bias in his prospect writing. I simply have to take everything he says about Rangers prospects with a grain of salt.
Vitters...no. Those numbers look a lot like Jeff Francoeur's overall minor league numbers, except less power and Frenchy actually walked a little more.
I hear that Addison Reed is pretty good.
Since you get to a few Kane County Cougars games every year, I was wondering if you have seen a Jason Adam start. Comments on his progress?
Escobar bats right in front of Bautista, not two batters before. And no, you don't deliberately hit Escobar to pitch to Bautista, no matter what Yunel thinks. Even the home plate umpire and his first base coach told him to quit behaving like an a**. Like Hochevar said after the game, there's no rule against pitching inside and he's going to continue to do it.
Not Kevin, but during the NCAA regionals there was a lot of talk about how careful Florida is with guys considered to have a very bright pro future, eg Karsten Whitson. They keep strict pitch count limits.
It is abundantly clear what the Royals intend with Perez because they have said it: He will be their primary catcher for the rest of the season.
Wondering why scouts see Billo as a reliever? He's a guy nobody talks about at all that I can see, but I have heard his velo is up this year.
That's exactly what I was wondering.
Heckuva list, by the way.
The International League season doesn't end until September 5. If the Yankees won't bring up Banuelos until it's over, then he won't be eligible for the postseason roster.
Gary Sanchez but not Salvador Perez?
My first thought when I read that sentence was "wasn't Greinke #6 that year?"
There's no way that the Brewers have enough farm system left to get Shields. None. The Rays aren't going to take a pittance for him, and the Crew still owes two minor leaguers to the Mets for K-Rod.
You'd have a tough time convincing Rangers fans that Derek Holland is having a good season. Most of them seem to be delusionally hankering for Tommy Hunter to replace him in the rotation.
Man, I really would like to see the Pirates hang in there, but that smoke-and-mirrors pitching staff scares me to death. To throw out another KC analogy, they feel like the Royals circa 2003. I fear that the wilt begins this weekend.
That's what I've heard too. "Pitchers love throwing to him" was the quote.
Re Giavotella (and by association, Kipnis), I think both of those AL teams aren't exactly hyped by their defense. Both could, however, definitely use the offense. More puzzling for Cleveland, though, because they are in the race and can't afford to turn their noses up at any kind of offense.
Heck, John Lamb is no longer top 50 either, and he was ranked higher than Mejia, so I'd say it looks like KG gives drops for a TJ surgery.
Odor is the last name.
I've been puzzled as well about Myers...the injury was to the left knee - his front leg - would any lingering issues cause problems with the bat? You would think that the injury was pretty superficial, since it wasn't structural, but for him to have been out so long it had to a pretty bad infection.
This is totally awesome! I haven't had my satellite radio for long, but a few weeks ago I started to listen to Mike Ferrin (who is great) pretty much every Sunday night anyway, mostly because I discovered he has interviews with one of you guys regularly. But three hours of you? Might be more than I can take...naaah!
Some models record. I have the XMP3, which acts as an MP3 player as well as a satellite radio, and it records at the touch of a button.
A PTBNL has to be a minor leaguer.
For Eibner, perhaps we should consider the fact that he missed the first two months of the season with a torn ligament in his thumb. Hand injuries and all that, right?
No comments about service time issues and how much it costs the Angels as opposed to waiting until, say, next June, which was much more expected?
I went to Arizona State, so have been through my share of Valley of the Sun dust storms. They are especially fun if, like me, you wear contact lenses. Ouch! Ah, the memories.
Interesting thing about Yuni...he used to be awful to his left and tolerable in the hole. Sounds like he's done a complete 180.
This is the price you pay when you sell your soul to the devil.
Not when he has yet to throw a AAA pitch. Not the Rays MO.
Not just Chisenhall, but Moustakas too...
If you think Marlon Byrd's quick return was impressive, consider Mitch Maier in 2008, who came back in three weeks from similar injuries after a taking a pitch in the face.
Speaking as a Royals fan, I can't wait for some team to overpay for Melky. Frenchy too, if I can get it.
I have never understood the Gordon hype. I see a Joey Gathright / Jarrod Dyson type of player (albeit not a outfielder).
Potomac is also tough on left-handed power hitters.
Isn't Eibner a bit old for low A? Or is it OK in his case since he was considered a bit green as a hitter after spending so much time pitching in college?
Perhaps I'm too Yankees hyper-senstive, but I had really hoped that BP was above "the Yankees should go get such-and-such superstar" articles. Sure, they could use Reyes - there are other teams that could too, and surprisingly, some of them are outside the overexposed AL East. And as is typical of this sort of article, no solution has been proposed to the what-do-you-do-with-Jeter problem if such a thing were to come to pass, beyond "you can't let Jeter get in the way of Yankee destiny." I expect better than this from BP.
Wainwright had surgery in March and he really thinks he'll be able to pitch in September? C'mon, who is he kidding?
Curious about that too; I had heard a week or so ago that he was working high 80s. Certainly not what was expected.
Man, did the Royals ever get screwed last year...and I liked Colon too. In retrospect, though, it's hard for me to say who they should have drafted instead. Pomeranz or the rumored Grandal, I suppose. Ranaudo, but with his health at the time that wasn't going to happen. Anybody else would have been extremely underwhelming or a huge reach. All they can do at this point is hope that Colon's bat comes around.
Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't that rate considered merely adequate or average?
Your supposed link to the St Petersburg Times actually goes to the Palm Beach Post article.
Does anybody think Bell will sign? How much will it take?
While it's certainly true that not everybody makes a 100% recovery from Tommy John surgery, it's a little to soon the hang that label on Joe Nathan. He tried to come back too soon. His surgery was on 3/26/2010 and he pitching in spring training games 11 months later. That's pretty quick. Not everybody recovers at the same pace, and Nathan is a tad on the older side anyway, pointing to the possibility of a longer recuperation. There's still time for him to rediscover his mojo.
"The Indians would at least consider pairing right-hander Fausto Carmona with a prospect in a trade for a veteran starting pitcher who could provide innings."
"Indians right-hander Fausto Carmona: "He's really killing that club. He's leaving way too many pitches up in the zone for a sinkerball pitcher, and they're getting crushed. He has no poise on the mound, either. The first time something goes wrong, he gets completely undone.""
Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the Indians' "consideration" for trading him. I think that, depending on the prospect included, the other team would have more to consider.
I saw Podcast and got disappointed. Please don't ever put everything into a podcast; I can't get them at work and for now my home computer isn't up to that.
Every Cory I've ever known of was male.
He's been posting those velos for a while now; it's not small sample size.
As long as you're doing "what if," if you had included all the other young 1B promotions (Hosmer, Freeman, Belt), how would that group plus Rizzo be ordered?
I like Maronde, but I don't see him as anything other than a relief pitcher. You make it sound like the Angels have other ideas, is that true?
Moore said himself that it was the first no-hitter he'd ever thrown at any level:
Heard some noises that Biddle was maxing out at 85 last night. Any truth to that?
It's pronounced Low.
Hosmer is 21, not 22, FWIW.
Yeek. I'm sure if you had tried a little harder you could have found a less disgusting picture of Joba. Looking at him with a huge wad of gum hanging out of his mouth is just gross.
Absent the Tommy John surgery, where would John Lamb fit in?
I think this may be a chicken-egg sort of thing...it's not always a case of Boras getting the highest dollar for his clients. Sometimes it's a case of Boras getting the most talented clients, and they will naturally command the highest dollar.
Trading Wilson Ramos for Matt Capps is still a head-scratcher for me. Capps has had his uses, yes, but that's still massive overpayment for an average closer. How much would the Twins like to have Ramos around now?
I understand you saw one of Adam's starts for Kane County; will we hear your impressions soon? (I know you're busy with the draft...)
The Royals aren't stretching Jeffress out for starting. He is starting because it forces him to relearn to use his full repertoire of pitches, something he wasn't doing in the bullpen. It's a d3evelopment tactic; they don't intend to use him in the rotation.
No mention of Ray Marimon? I know it was a two-pitcher no-hitter, but gee, he went 7 2/3 and struck out 7.
The Royals consider Salvador Perez their catcher of the future. He's 21 years old and at AA Northwest Arkansas. Great defensive catcher that pitchers love, how much he'll hit is very much up in the air.
There's another Rule 5 pick left in the majors: Nate Adcock.
If there is concern about Bauer's pitch counts, surely there must be concern about how much Bundy has worked as a high schooler. I mean seriously, 293 pitches in three games over four days last year?
Not Kevin, but what I heard is he couldn't locate his curve, and being limited to only his fastball as a result didn't work out too well. How the fastball looked I couldn't tell you.
You certainly implied it:
"Hosmer hiring Boras to represent him out of high school speaks to Hosmer's intent to be a "money first" player."
I think, from that comment, it's safe to assume that you view players who hire Boras as "money first."
Speaking of unconventional swings, you have said you don't care for Wil Myers' swing. (I don't see it, but I'm not a scout; it looks fine to me and not obviously weird in any way.) Do you think that, as you say in the article, it's a matter of time before it gets exploited, or is it one of those things that just works for him?
Actually, there ARE indications that the Royals have changed in regards to holding on to high caliber players. Billy Butler, Joakim Soria, and Zack Greinke are immediate examples. Not to mention a new willingness by David Glass to allow Dayton Moore to spend money, something he wasn't willing to do when Allard Baird was GM and Beltran, Damon, and Dye were traded. Heck, Glass ordered Baird to trade Beltran.
The uneducated think that the Greinke trade was simply more of the same, without understanding that it was something that had to happen for reasons that had nothing to do with money.
There's no guarantee that Boras will not allow Hosmer to sign away his pre-arb years plus a free agency year or two if that is what Hosmer wishes. Carlos Gonzalez did it, and he's a Boras guy. All he had to do was tell Boras he wanted to do it and it was done. If Hosmer wants to, he can too.
I disagree thoroughly that all Boras clients are necessarily money-first guys. What I have heard from those players who are willing to talk about it is that the Boras Corp simply blew them away with its presentation, accessibility, facilities, etc., when making their pre-representation pitch. I have even heard one player state that "everybody else centers their entire presentation on why I shouldn't sign with Boras, instead of telling me what they were going to do for me."
A couple last thoughts: The Royals are looking at a ton of rookies coming up in the next two years. I don't think it's a bad idea for one (or more) of these guys to have a little bit of major league experience instead of all of them being thoroughly green at the same time. And don't forget, these guys will all likely hit their first arbitration year in the same year - something that has the potential to be financially more difficult for the Royals than paying Hosmer a year earlier than the others.
I should have said that I intuitively figured it would be #100 and #101 bumped, but what I really meant is are there any guys you "regret" including?
So if you put Erlin and Webster into the Top 101, who gets bumped out?
The Royals have stated unequivically that Gordon will not play third base ever again. (Caveat: Another organization might have other ideas.)
Duffy WAS expected to show up in KC this year, at least as far as the Royals were concerned. They were quite clear about that in spring training.
Lamb has been less that 100% due to a lat strain and is just now back to full health. I wouldn't sweat his early season numbers.
Yes, we can quit saying that about Ackley. But I never felt the hype in the first place.
"... capable of making scouts droll"?
While that is certainly possible, did you mean "drool?"
Myers is done catching.
Re Hosmer, I think what the Royals were hoping for was that Ka'aihue would perform and they would then trade him. It still could happen, but he wouldn't bring much right now. Until they decide what to do with Kila, and how long to give him, I think that Hosmer stays in Omaha unless either Kila or Butler get injured. But you're right, I don't think they expected Hosmer to take off in AAA like this; they're going to have to make room for him sooner than they thought.
I hear that Lamb's fastball velo is back up to its usual range, so he appears to be fully healthy now.
I don't think that whether the Royals are better or worse off with Kila in AAA and Robinson in KC is the question. The point is that the Royals need to know what they have in Kila, and he's clearly done with AAA pitching. If they have something, considering the presence of Butler and the future with Hosmer, then they trade Kila. If they don't have anything, well, no harm no foul, and he can start his career of minor league wandering and occasional major league injury replacement.
I've heard many times before this year that Shields pitches backwards, so it doesn't strike me that this is a new approach for him. Or did he abandon it for a while, only to return?
I always thought that Ackley was vastly overrated, but that's just me.
(Who is Zack Greene? Greinke, perhaps?)
Interestingly (and ironically), Zack Greinke's next start will be against the Omaha Storm Chasers.
I too have wondered about Gordon's power and if it's going to show up again. Actually, from watching him, I'm beginning to think that his intensive offseason work with Kevin Seitzer has turned him into a Billy Butler-type hitter. It's not what anybody expected, but it's certainly an improvement over what he was.
There are 12 players 21 or younger in AAA and, at a guess, 35-40 in AA. I don't know how that figures out percentage-wise, but I would say it's pretty small. Here's a list that has the youngest players by league (apologies if it's subscription only); all the 21 and under AAA guys are listed and most of the AA ones:
You mentioned another high school draftee pitcher in Jason Adam when you did this with the Royals...how does he compare to Jackson?
Well, let's see...the Royals alone have Christian Colon (21), Salvador Perez (20), Will Smith (21), John Lamb (20), and Wil Myers (20) at AA. And two 21-year-olds in AAA with Eric Hosmer and Mike Montgomery.
Phil Humber has fans?
You can scratch two Royals prospects for a while...Brett Eibner broke his thumb and Christian Colon was hit in the head by a pitch. Eibner out 8 - 12 weeks; don't know Colon's current status or how bad it was.
Per the Minneapolis Star-Tribune the wild pitches hit the backstop on the fly. That sounds like Rick Ankiel, which would not be good.
(Shooter Hunt had two wild pitches of his own in the game. Heck of a night.)
You missed one point about Suppan (who I hate, and hope never leaves Omaha...but that's neither here nor there): He's there to ensure that the Royals don't have to bring up one of their top rotation prospects before they feel they are absolutely ready. If/when the injury bug bites they can plug him in instead of being forced to use Mike Montgomery when they would rather not; and Suppan should be (crossed fingers) no worse than Kyle Davies has been. The Royals won't admit it, but this is just a year to bide their time. A Suppan in the majors would be merely a placeholder to help them bide it.
I'm not so sure that "lower back stiffness" isn't Kazmirian code for "can't pitch any more."
If Kila hits, the Royals will trade him. Hosmer isn't moving to the outfield.
I found it interesting that Keith Law, when asked if Perez could be the Royals catcher of the future, replied "No." Of course, as is typical of Law, he gave no explanation. His assessment is 180 degrees away from anybody else's I've heard, as most seem to think he'll be very solid defensively, and at still only 20 years old is starting to look like he's figuring out whole hitting thing a bit.
In instructs last fall some people said Eibner looked baffled by decent breaking stuff - any thoughts on that?
The box score was in the Kansas City Star, but only for the "official" 8 1/2 innings.
I think a looping curve would be new for Montgomery; I don't think I've ever seen him throw anything other than a power breaking ball. He said a week or so ago that he was using a new grip for the curve, and he'd only started using it a couple of weeks earlier. Remember, he's a guy that never threw a traditional curve until he turned pro.
Lamb has been battling with a sore lat and the Royals have asked him to hold back. I think this may have been his first in-game action since early March. They're being real cautious with him.
I'm not sure about other cities, but I can testify that the wind was blowing a gale in Kansas City yesterday, which substantially aided many of those eight taters in finding their way into the stands.
Meant to say also I'd especially like to hear your thoughts on Eibner.
Adam lists at 6'4" 225 lbs.
For me, Jason, you can't talk Royals enough; I admit to partiality. Bring it on, all of it!
The link to your Collins ranking with Toronto isn't right - it goes to some quotes from 2000.