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Pittsburgh color analyst <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=30357">Bob Walk</a></span> said that he almost wished the ball would have gotten by Harrison so that he could watch Colon try for a triple or more.
Other than watching my team win, the thing that pleases me the most in baseball is watching <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=52691">Jake Arrieta</a></span> walk off the mound mid-inning after getting lit up.
It is time for the league office to step in and end the Red Sox retaliation attempts. Sale should be suspended for 5 games and the rest of the team should be warned. The Red Sox had their chance a week and a half ago and missed, it should have been over then. What would have happened if Pedroia had actually had to go on the DL? Machado has shown a great amount of restraint through all of this. If he gets thrown at again he should take the bat out to the mound and use it on the pitcher. Then the Red Sox would have something to complain to about.
Do you think Hearn will ever develop any type of control? It seems like that is the only tool that is lacking.
As a Pirates fan, I can remember when they signed Ngoepe. It has been interesting to follow his progress over the years. The odds that he overcame are truly unbelievable. I hope that he hits enough so that he sticks in MLB.
On a side note, after seeing the slow motion reply of the Judge play I need to remember to always wear long shirts to games. I don't want my "crack" being visible to viewers.
When I first saw the picture, I was thinking 2). Set up outside and bust him in.
Machado's slide didn't look that bad from the angle shown above. His cleat may have been a little high, but he slid to the bag like the rule states. I didn't see the Barnes' pitch. If Boston had a problem with the slide it should have been taken care of Saturday and thrown much lower.
Thanks for the reply. It turns out that my tickets are for Sunday so no need to look any further.
Is there a discounted price if you already have tickets to the game?
I will buy a lot of <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=104934">Cole Tucker</a></span> stock. He was really young (doesn't turn 21 until July) for the league and the FSL is known to be tough on hitters. I thought that the FSL assignment was aggressive coming off shoulder surgery, but the Pirates know a lot more than me.
I'm a Pirates fan who suffered through everyone one of those losing seasons. I am going to hate to see McCutchen go. I have never heard anything bad about him on or off field. I guess if the Cards can let Pujols go then the Pirates can survive without McCutchen. At least it looks like they have a replacement lined up. When they "traded" Aramis Ramierz they didn't have a replacement until 10 years later when they acquired him back.
Amateur baseball is becoming more specialized. I heard an interview with <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=100261">Lucas Giolito</a></span> and he stopped batting in 10 grade. I believe the only time he batted while in the Nats org was in the upper levels if there was an agreement with the opponent not to use the DH. Pitchers (some) are hitting in high school, then taking a few seasons off in the minors. They haven't had a chance to hone their hitting skills against weaker competition, so results have suffered over the years.
While the WBC is far from perfect, the atmosphere at the Dominican Republic/USA game Saturday night was great. When <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/player_search.php?search_name=Nelson+Cruz">Nelson Cruz</a></span> hit the go ahead home run the fans exploded and the bench cleared to greet him. It far exceeded a regular season game and rivaled a playoff game.
I remember McKay being one of the best players high school players in Western <span class="statdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?search=PA" onmouseover="doTooltip(event, jpfl_getStat('PA'))" onmouseout="hideTip()">PA</span></a> a few years ago. Is he a future pitcher or positional player?
I think the article should be titled "Players to Avoid Overpaying". There are a lot of quality fantasy players on this list.
The actual return for <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=100206">Trevor Williams</a></span> was pitching guru <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=85688">Jim Benedict</a></span> from the Pirates. With Benedict gone, Liriano was bad and they weren't able to turn any other pitchers around.
Very interesting article. I had no idea that DWL teams sent scouts to the US or use analytics.
Doug, I always enjoyed your work and will miss the <a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/column/raising_aces/">Raising Aces</a> series. Good luck in the future and I will keep tuning into Basballholics.
Not going to attempt to teach you, but I would say it's because you can't teach speed. You can adjust a swing or delivery but you either have speed or don't. Look how <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/player_search.php?search_name=Billy+Hamilton">Billy Hamilton</a></span> impacts a game. If the Reds are tied or down one and he reaches 1st with less than two outs, he is a threat to score.
Nice article. I would like to see more of these.
I think that they need to have speed in the outfield to cover ground and let their power hitters play in the infield. I would love to see <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/player_search.php?search_name=Billy+Hamilton">Billy Hamilton</a></span> play center field in Coors for 81 games.
Great article. He was the 1st base coach for the Pirates for a long time through a lot of losing seasons but I don't think that I ever read as detailed of an article about him. I liked tidbit about pull hitters wearing protection. I am going to watch for that in the future.
I would head to Latin America and sign at least 20 players that were passed over during the current J2 period and hope that one turned into a prospect.
Both pitchers are left handed.
Not sure why the Pirates gave up Supak for Jason Rodgers who is still in AAA.
It amazes me that teams keep signing players to these huge contracts forgetting their and others mistakes. I can see why GM's agree to these deals because they aren't thinking 6 years down the road. Owners should insist that the money be front loaded to the earlier half of the deal so that performance better aligns with pay. To offset the time value of money factor, the total amount of the contract could be reduced.
I believe that teams are getting smarter by including opt out provisions for the players. This allows teams to pay only for the early years, assuming the player continues producing. Ideally, for the Giants Cueto keeps up the high level of performance and opts out after 2017. This will allow them to sign another player while transferring the risk of Cueto's performance to another team. I will be curious to see what happens with Heyward. How many 27 year olds have improved their performance when they have only hit above .280 once?
Sad that 3 guys on the list or honorable mentions are former Pirates.
I have heard the calls for living wages to be paid to waiters and waitresses when they have chosen to make it their career. I believe that there is a difference between someone waiting tables for a living and someone waiting tables until another job comes along. Why should a restaurant pay a living wage to someone who will quit as soon as they land a part? Maybe the entertainment studios should start paying actors and actresses to audition.
My big problem with the concept of a living wage is that the wage varies depending on the size of the employees family instead of their quality of work. I can't imagine receiving a raise because my wife and I had another child.
While I agree that minor league players should be paid more, I'm not sure what a living wage is. Do players near metropolitan markets get paid more than players in small towns? You also have to take into consideration the amount of the signing bonus received. No way a player receiving a $1.5M signing bonus needs to be paid a higher wage during the season.
Baseball is similar to the Movie/TV industry (not shocking since they are both entertainment). Millions of people want to reach the top, but only very few actually are able to make a living. I never hear anyone say that struggling actors/actresses should be paid a living wage while they are waiting tables between auditions. The bottom line is that a minor league player is free to quit and try to do something else to earn a living. If enough quit and the quality of play in the minor leagues drops, then MLB will be forced to raise in season pay.
Doug, great work as always. Any plans for one of these on Glasnow? Although, with the shoulder bothering him against the Phillies it might not be worthwhile. It just shows us fans that just because a player is a top prospect, it doesn't mean that he is ready to contribute in MLB.
Newman was quoted in a post game interview that the home run was a mistake.
Regarding Neverauskas, Europe may be the next new market for baseball to develop. Even if his selection is based on marketing alone, it is good for baseball.
Chris, In his last 2 starts Glasnow has pitched 13 innings and has not allowed a hit, but walked 10 or 11. Have you ever seen another pitcher like this?
Can you imagine any team trying this? Managers still save their best relievers for the 9th regardless of the opposing lineup.
Any idea why Giolito changed his delivery?
Nice to see Hanson make the majors. I can remember <a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/author/kevin_goldstein">Kevin Goldstein</a> and <a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/author/jason_parks">Jason Parks</a> talking in 2012 about an outfielder that scouts were raving about when they were checking out Hanson. The outfielder was named <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=66245">Gregory Polanco</a></span>. I really miss up and in.
From the Pittsburgh side of the trade, which current outfielder moves to 1B to make room for Trout? Marte's arm is too good. It probably is McCutchen, given arm strength and age.
Is the typical strike zone shown for the Col/Pit game for all RHH or just umpire specific.
Watching live for 4 innings it looked like Locke was getting all kind of calls. Looking at the chart, only a few pitches were out of the typical strike zone.
Chris, I don't know much abut <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=102639">Chad Kuhl</a></span>. Do you think that he has a chance to start?
Matt, I don't understand the negative tone of the article, especially the comment about the Searage hype being overblown. All I know is that the majority of pitchers that have worked with him have improved.
The decrease in fastball velocity can be expected from most starting pitchers, 94 in the 6th is still pretty good. Even if they get a good half year out of him, Taillon and Glasnow should be ready by mid season.
I bet the Dodgers wish they had kept him.
I forgot about <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/player_search.php?search_name=Benito+Santiago">Benito Santiago</a></span> playing for the Pirates. They gave up minor league relief pitcher <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=95672">Leo Nunez</a></span> for him. Nunez threw 100 and eventually became the Marlins closer. Another great Dave Littlefield acquisition.
I think Bauer has become the pitching version of <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=46522">Colby Rasmus</a></span>. He always knows more than the coaching/developmental staff. In 2011, there were a number of draft experts that preferred Bauer over Cole. There were even "fans" in Pittsburgh that were saying the Pirates took the wrong guy when Bauer was promoted to the big leagues first. Now he is in the bullpen for his 2nd organization.
I think the biggest stumbling block to a team trying this is the lack of control of which players fall. If a competitor figured out the strategy, they could select the "unsignable" players. The baseball draft moves fast so it would be more difficult figure out, but it is spread out over multiple days.
This team outperforms <span class="statdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?search=PECOTA" onmouseover="doTooltip(event, jpfl_getStat('PECOTA'))" onmouseout="hideTip()">PECOTA</span></a> because everyone works together. From the FO to the players, they all seem to be going in the same direction. Getting more ground balls from a pitching staff won't mean as much without shifting the infielders. I doubt that <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=36213">Goose Gossage</a></span> will be hired by this org anytime soon.
Any QO system is going to hurt the middle tier players the most. The top free agents will always get their money (Price & Heyward). The lower tier guys will try to hang on for deals close to the minimum.
It is known as the Desmond problem because he failed to take $15M when he was coming off a down year.
I like option 3 the best. I think that it gives the right balance of reward to the team that loses the player while not penalizing the signing team.
Under Option 1, the signing team can make a side deal with a potential draft pick that causes him to fall to their next pick. I still believe that <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/player_search.php?search_name=Josh+Bell">Josh Bell</a></span> had a deal with the Tigers who didn't pick until round 3.
Under Option 2, there will be too many picks added between rounds 1 and 2. In 2011, the Pirates picked 1st (Cole) then didn't get to pick until 61 (Josh Bell) because so many picks were added. I believe that the Red Sox had 4 or 5 picks in between. The worst teams should have the opportunity to pick the best players.
Craig, I take exception to your comment that the small market teams complained about draft spending. A member of the Red Sox FO made the comment that if they knew that Josh Bell would sign, they would have drafted him.
Some random thoughts of a long time, mostly suffering, Pirate fan:
It seems that <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=104934">Cole Tucker</a></span> doesn't get a lot of love despite playing the first half of 2015 as an 18 year old in full season ball. His rehab is ahead of schedule as he was pictured fielding ground balls (no throwing) last week.
The state of the appears good when guys like Hanson and Kingham aren't in the top 10.
Personally, I would like to see McGuire repeat High-A to work on his hitting. He is only 21 this year and he could still spend a year at each upper level and debut at 24.
Chris, it is interesting that you and Klaw are so much higher on Newman than other sites. As a Pirate fan, I hope you both are right.
From Friedman's standpoint, it certainly makes sense to surround yourself with smart people. However, it almost seems to me that they are doing this to keep smart people away from their competitors, which is a fine strategy. The problem would be making sure that so many strong voices feel that they are being heard by the decision maker.
From AA's standpoint (and the others), why not cash a paycheck for a year or 2 while recharging your batteries and learning new strategies from other smart baseball men. If you feel like you are not contributing, you can move on.
Love these types of articles, keep them coming.
Good article Michael. I never thought about the cost to play travel baseball in order to get "recognized".
In regards to Stephenson, how often do guys with inconsistent command "put it all together" and actually develop into top of the rotation starters? I'm a Pirates fan and his profile seems very similar to Glasnow.
In my opinion, a contract with deferred payments is similar to financing an auto/truck over 72 or 84 months. If you have to spread car payments out over 6 or 7 years you probably can't afford the car. If a baseball team has to pay a guy for 15 years after the contract expires, they probably can't afford the player.
In my opinion, the biggest issue complicating the free agent market is the cap on draft bonuses. Before 2012, teams didn't mind losing a first round pick since they could still spend $5 million on a 2nd rounder with a large bonus demand. Now, the bonus slotted for a first round pick makes up the majority of the bonus pool and teams can't afford to lose it. MLB needs to separate draft spending from payroll spending. This would also stop the tanking issue, as there wouldn't be an incentive to finish worst, unless a generational talent is in the draft pool.
Another factor is that front offices being smarter and realizing that a players performance tends to decline when he reaches 30. Why spend big money for declining performance?
With the recent staff turnover it might be a good time for an article that lays out the plan going forward as well as introducing the new prospect staff.
The addition of <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=85688">Jim Benedict</a></span> will be huge. His ability to turn around struggling starting pitchers will more than pay for his salary. The ability to develop the kids in the minors is just a bonus.
Is there an index available with the projected publishing date for each team?
This was a fun article, I enjoyed it.
I am a long time fan of the Pirates and the "National League" game. Recently, I have changed my mind and think that the National League should adopt the DH. It doesn't make any sense to watch pitchers try to hit when they have only very little training.
The main "Pirates Problem" is that they call up too many replacement level players to temporarily fill in when injuries occur. If they would replace injured players with prospects, the results on the field might be better. I know that they will always have to consider service time, but a prospect can be sent back to the minor leagues to in order to delay arbitration and/or free agency.
There were a lot of perplexing moves during the Littlefield regime but this is the worst for me. Why would you trade a middle of the order bat that was under contract for a couple of more seasons? Ironically, they never really replaced him until this year (Kang), but then had to reacquire him when injuries occurred.
The Bonifay regime rushed him and <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/player_search.php?search_name=Jose+Guillen">Jose Guillen</a></span> to the majors which had to have negatively impacted their long term production.
I look at acquiring A.J. as the beginning of the turnaround for the Pirates. He was the first top of the rotation arm that they added in about 20 years. I appreciate everything that he brought to the Pirates over 3 of the last 4 years.
I just don't think that his personality fit with the buttoned down culture of the Yankees and I think that it affected his performance. Free agents and teams should do more research into this before committing to long term contracts.
I would suggest that <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=28669">Ray Searage</a></span> run for President in 2016, but I don't want him leaving the Pirates.
Lowering the arm slot is the first fix that he seems to suggest with players acquired form other organizations. The high arm slot seems to be the biggest criticism that pitching guru <a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/author/doug_thorburn">Doug Thorburn</a> seems to focus on as well. I wonder how many careers have been derailed by organizations requiring pitchers to throw over the top?
As a Pirate fan, I have been following this closely since the "Golden State" comparison was raised in spring training. A championship run in the NBA requires 16 to 28 extra games or up to 34% of the regular season. A championship run in MLB requires a maximum of 20 extra games or 12% of the regular season. Also, there isn't much difference between being the 3 & 6 seed in the NBA, so they can afford to rest their players more in the regular season. There is a huge difference between the wildcard game and a division title in MLB.
One thing the Pirates have done well (knocking on wood) is avoid the muscle strain type of injuries. Injuries to their starters this year (Mercer, Kang, Harrison) were all of the contact type, so maybe they have something with BioHarness. After all, they kept Cervelli healthy all year.
Nothing about Cards at Pirates in the "What to Watch for" section?
I hope the Pirates bunt the ball towards Lester repeatedly tonight. I'm not sure why teams don't try that strategy.
Jeff, would you have McGuire repeat A+ to work on his hitting?
Jeff, always enjoyed your version of the MLU. Good luck in the future.
Seeing Glasnow's line, I wonder what the record number of runs allowed on 1 hit is? I live in the Pittsburgh area and the number of people clamoring for Glasnow to be called up prior to last night is incredible.
I believe that pitchers do alter their approach based on the quality of the defense behind them. Look at the Pirates, who employ a combination of 2 seam sinking fastballs to induce ground balls into an infield shift.
Cole vs. Kershaw will probably end up being a 9-8 game.
I'm not a scout, but I will give it a try. Watch <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=65957">Gerrit Cole</a></span> pitch a few times. It seems that after an error or poor fielding play he get a crazy look in his eye. He will then retire the next 9 guys in order.
Meadows was the comp pick for not signing Appel. The Pirates supposedly would have taken <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=100595">David Dahl</a></span> with the Appel pick. It will be interesting to see how Dahl vs. Meadows plays out.
Jeff, great write up on <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=31348">Mike Hessman</a></span>. I was one of those guys that had to give it up when I was 12. I used to wonder why guys stick around so long until I read "Bullpen Gospels".
Word is <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=70795">Tyler Glasnow</a></span> is headed to AAA and will start Saturday. Jeff, is it possible that he could be in the PIT bullpen in September or would that hurt his development?
Another great article, I am really enjoying this series.
I say no to the international draft because I think that it will reduce the talent pool. Trainers have feed and house a lot of prospects for many years before they are eligible to sign. Reducing signing bonuses for the top players will negatively impact the number of kids that can be trained. Look at the talent produced by Puerto Rico has decreased since they were added to the draft.
A big reason that international signing bonuses have increased is because teams are limited by how much they can spend in the draft.
He was right on the money about <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=59218">Pedro Alvarez</a></span> and <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/player_search.php?search_name=Chris+Carter">Chris Carter</a></span>.
Looking through this list, it makes you wonder why more teams don't package prospects for proven major league players.
I love these types of articles.
Great to have this feature back.
The site needs more articles like this. I miss the compilation articles with view points from various unnamed scouts and front office types.
I haven't seen a salary dump this bad since the Pirates "traded" Aramis Ramiez to the Cubs for <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/player_search.php?search_name=Bobby+Hill">Bobby Hill</a></span>.
From the Braves standpoint, giving up Kimbrel to dump the $45 million owed to <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=45374">Melvin Upton</a></span> allowed them the flexibility to take on Arroyo.
Chris, great article, keep them coming. I also enjoy the insider perspective.
I never realized <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=101630">Reese McGuire</a></span> was such a polarizing prospect.
Bad night for the Pirates organization. Someone joked on Twitter that <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=65957">Gerrit Cole</a></span> should be removed from the game for precautionary reasons.
Tucker B., thanks for the write up on C. Tucker. It is nice to see a positive review. I couldn't believe that the Pirates drafted him so high, but so far it looks like a good decision. As a long time fan I'm not used to them doing the right thing.
Jeff, great article. Can Meadows adjust his swing to use more of his lower half or is it too difficult?
The Pirates had a pre-draft deal with <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=100595">David Dahl</a></span> and took <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=70348">Mark Appel</a></span> instead. They used the comp pick on Meadows. It will be interesting to see how things play out.
Jhang skipped Low A last year, which could explain his struggles. The problem now is that he is on the same team as <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=101630">Reese McGuire</a></span>.
Thanks for the update on Meadows. Has anyone on the prospect staff seen <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=104934">Cole Tucker</a></span> this year? He received an aggressive placement in the Sally League.
Paying over $20M per year based on potential. I just don't see how this contract can turn out well for the Sox.
Where is good source to find out how much a player earned last year in my particular league.
As a Pirates fan that is great to hear. Management was heavily criticized at the end of 2012 for using military style tactics to train players. It is amazing what a couple of winning seasons can do for perception.
Joshua, curious to find out what you meant by "all the roadblocks that were in his way in Pittsburgh are gone". Not sure if you are referring to prospects or management/development staff.
As players get promoted it is harder to put up dominate stats, so existing players that haven't graduated to the majors tend to be ranked lower. Add in all of the players emerging from the complex leagues whose faults haven't been discovered yet.
Amazing that Oliver Perez appears on this list twice. Scott Boras is the best.
Josh, glad to read that everything went well.
Do local businesses ever hire MiLB players to endorse products or make appearances?
Ryan, thanks for the plain language analysis. As a Pirates fan, this is great news.
Great analysis ravenight. One point about "modern" scouting methods. Most of the guys at the top of the list were scouted under "old school" methods. I know that their entire careers have played out. It seems to me that of the modern guys to reach the majors only Greinke, Rendon, and Wheeler have a chance to move significantly up the list.
Great article Jeff. A couple things stand out for me. 1) Bonds alone counts for 4.5 of the 14.5 average WAR of the players to make the majors. 2) The median WAR of the 36 guys to reach the majors is only 1.85, which seems really low considering where they were drafted.
The league has to start suspending guys for going near the head. Garcia should be fined and suspended. Fiers should at least be fined. If you can't control your pitches, don't throw inside. This is no different than the NFL fining a safety for an illegal hit on a receiver.
If the Phillies don't like guys celebrating, get them out.
Does throwing behind a guy count as reckless endangerment? This stems from LaRussa days with the Cards. His pitchers were allowed to throw inside because they would never intentionally hit anyone. If another team hit a Cardinal hit was always intentional. Substitute Diamondback with Cardinal in the previous lines now that LaRussa is in Arizona
Volquez isn't trying to put anyone on base in the 4th inning of a scoreless game. If Matheny and the Cards can't figure that out, they don't belong in a major league dugout.
Interesting how Urias seems to be able to get hitters out in the Cal League but a certain high draft pick could not.
This report from Chris King swings the pendulum back in favor of the Pirates. Like Professor Parks said earlier in the summer, it will be interesting to see how he develops.
Tucker, should Josh Bell consider just hitting LH?
That is the second time Price has got a call like that. It happened earlier this year against the Pirates. There has to be a better way to protect catchers.
As a Pirate fan I will be watching the career of David Dahl as well. They supposedly had a pre-draft deal with him but took Appel instead.
Nice to have you back Rocco, I hope that this is a regular feature as well. I still miss you on the pre and postgame shows. The two they have now are OK, but combined they aren't half as entertaining as you were.
Can he stay at SS?
Even when Glasnow is bad, he doesn't see to get hit often. Although it is tough to hit pitches that are way off the plate.
Agreed. No way I would want to see Glasnow and Kingham go in the same deal.
Jason, thanks for the additional comment on Tucker. As a Pirate fan, my opinion of this draft keeps changing by the week based on what I read. I always get nervous when FO's think they are smarter than everyone else. The last time the Pirates did this was 2009 and Tony Sanchez is still in AAA. I think Tucker's age (9th youngest position player in the draft) has something to do with the varying opinions.
I saw a video of Glasnow and it looks like he is half way to home plate when he releases the ball. That is tough to hit.
How does Jose Tabata end up number 5 on this list? Maybe the Pirates can use this to trade him and dump his contract.
Jeff, Have you seen Josh Bell? If so, what does his swing look like from the right side?
At this point Gregory Polanco's daily line should be listed.
Jeff, keep up the good work. Does Josh Bell have a chance to bat in the middle of the order in Pittsburgh someday or will the long swing give him issues in the upper minors?
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Ironic how Cano is disliked by Yankee fans because he left for more money, when the bulk of their team is made up of free agents.
Can't believe Roenicke let that kid absorb a pounding like that. I doubt they can keep him on the roster all year.
Regarding the concert example. You have to actually spend more money to attend the concert for parking, gas, etc. You are always "economically" better by not attending the event.
Tearing up the Goldschmidt contract and starting over would be one of the dumbest moves in baseball history.
Would Alex Dickerson crack the Pirates Top 15?
Congrats Zach and Jason. I enjoyed both of your work.
Ironic that the Pirates clinched a playoff berth on a play at the plate. Hopefully, that buries the Sid Bream game for good.
Great report on Reese McGuire. I was concerned because of the position risk when the Pirates drafted him. I guess that is why I'm an accountant and not a scout.
I really enjoy this series, one of the main reasons I subscribe to the site.
I liked the comment on the Pirates
Agree JB. Funny that Rios is paid $16 million and still does not bring it everyday.
No way the fountain of youth is made up of Pittsburgh tap water. I think that Pittsburgh is the oldest city outside of Florida.
Great series. How does Polanco compare to Starling Marte?
I like the play on words there. I thought they were a lock last year when they were 16 games above .500 on August 5th. I won't be happy until they win 82 games. I don't care if it is Sept 10th or Sept 30th.
Just by looking at 3rd order wins and the results of Baltimore and Oakland, it seems that teams with excellent bullpens win more than the numbers predict and teams with bad bullpens win less (Cubs). Just a thought.
After 20 losing seasons, I don't care how the Pirates do it, I just want to see 82 wins.
Enjoy the scout and FOT opinions as well.
Interesting that Gerrit Cole was in the running for both top fastball and slider. Funny thing is that he never seems to dominate even going back to college. I hope that the Pirate's developmental staff can get the results out of him but I don't have a lot of faith.
My league is 4x4 NL only. Most auction values out there are for 5x5 leagues. With the PFM tool, I can customize the settings to my league and get more accurate values.
Agree with Mike's theory that 4x4 lends better to the Stars & Scrubs method of roster building. I watched a guy be consistently good in my league for 6 straight years because of Stars & Scrubs. I adopted the strategy last year and tied for 1st.
Doug, great article. Have you had a chance to look at any of the Pirates? I always wonder if their development staff has the ability to turn Cole and Taillon into big leaguers. Then I read where guys like Kyle McPherson and Phillip Irwin have really improved since being drafted.
Great article. I'm an accountant and part of my job is to prepare budgets. I love doing it because if I'm right I look good. If I am wrong, then I make a comment that I can't predict the future or I would have hit the lottery years ago. I never tell my boss that my model was incorrect.
As a long suffering Pirates fan, I have seen option 1 way too many times. No way can they trade McCuthen until they reach 82 wins.
The biggest issue is that ownership won't commit to spending on the major league roster until more fans show up at the park. That would be like General Motors saying that their vehicles are below average but if you buy one now they will improve the quality in the future.
I would think that Revenues for MBLAM mean gross revenue before expenses. Usually, when talking profits (revenue minus expenses) the terms net profit or net income are used.
At first I agreed with the first two commentors about the panelists not having any baseball experience. Upon further reviw, it actually makes sense. If a panelist were a baseball fan, they could be biased (good or bad). This way, each side presents their argument and the best one usually wins.
How does this class compare to last year?
Salaries of any job/profession are based on supply and demand. The supply of individuals that can hit a baseball is limited, so those that are successful get paid an awful lot of money.
It bothers me when people get upset about athlets getting paid X while(insert low paying job) gets paid much less. If you are not paid a lot for doing your job it is because someone else can replace you easily.
Also, why do actors get a pass when top stars make $20M per movie?
Jason, How does Gohara compare to Heredia (Pit)?
Maury is the rebate talked about something new?
Interesting article. Teams pay millions in signing bonuses each year but then nickel and dime players once they are part of the organization. With the new rules limiting bonuses and TV deals exploding, the industry should have a lot of extra lying around.
There are just too many jokes regarding the Pirates implementing this plan that my brain is on overload.
Nick, Love the concept keep the articles coming. Interesting that Justin Williams is over a full year younger than Ball.
I meant to type 2011 in my 2nd sentence. PNC opening was the only nice thing about 2001.
Great article Ben, I'm now coming back in from the ledge. 2001 was nice, but in my head I did not think they could make the jump from 57 to 82. This year will hurt much worse if they don't make it. After 19 losing seasons, they need to reach 82 so that the negativity surrounding the franchise is finally removed.
Regarding Taillon, I read where he didn't have the feel for the curve early in the season, found it then lost the feel for the change. Coaches modified the grip on the change and now both pitches are working. I also agree that he might have been limited in pitch selection.
Regarding Allie, do you think his struggles as a hitter in the GCL will force him to focus on pitching next year?
What no Xander Bogaerts? You must really be biased against him, or the Sox, or the American League East. Just more sarcasm for those that did not pick up on it.
Yo, sgrcuts my 1st comment was sarcastic. If you failed to catch it, my second comment should have been the giveaway.
KG, just start listing Bogaerts' line every game.
Well it is obvious that Kevin has a bias against Bogaerts since he also left him out of the Top 50 list. Now that Machado is in Baltimore I can't think of a better position prospect in the minors today.
As a long time Pirate fan, I would have been very happy with 82 wins at the start of the season. Now I will be a little disappointed if they finish a couple of games out of a post season berth. Bottom line, after 19 long years, it is fun to be a Pirate fan again.
I think that more teams should align salaries with projected WAR. (Front load contracts instead of back loading). This way you aren't paying a 38 year old $20M for replacement level production. I know that there are time value of money considerations, but why not pay a guy less over time to match the decrease in production?
With the events like last night, MAYBE this is finally the year the Pirates have a winning record. (knocking on wood as I type) This has been a fun start to the year for this long suffering fan.
Kevin, What is Appel's future ceiling in a rotation, 2? The Pirates haven't been shy spending money in the draft. Any way that Boras and Pirates work together to circumvent draft rules and get Appel the most money allowed?
KG, it doesn't look like the Pirates would be reaching all that much with Marrero at 8. If Correa, Buxton, and Almora are gone, is he a good pick or should they go more upside?
I root for the Pirates because they are my hometown team. I love baseball and can't imagine caring about another team. When I'm asked why I still care, I respond that if I had known the losing was going to last this long I would have quit when the streak reached 10 seasons. After 20 seasons I have to stay until they have a winning season via luck or skilled management.
Each season I root that 10 guys have career years and they reach 82 wins so that the streak is broken.
Burnett getting hit in the face with the ball is par for this franchise. He will probably rush back and tear an elbow ligament next.
The only good thing to come out of this is that the best players should be picked in order. No more Rick Porcello's falling to the 27th pick because of bonus demands.
The other downside not mentioned in the article is that players might be over or under paid depending the year they are drafted. This year the 1-1 pick gets $7.2M. Maybe the player taken 1-1 would have "only" received $6M under the previous rules based on his talent. The player taken 1-1 in 2013 might be worth more than $7.2M. Strasburg and Harper broke 10 year old records because they deserved it based on talent, not because of inflation increasing their recommended slot.
I used to dislike Boras as well, but over the years I have come to realize he is only doing his job and he is great at it. He saw a need in the market place and filled it. If my sons were good enough to be drafted (they won't be), I would call the Boras Corp. first.
I read communal cheese and the first sentence of the paragraph and knew it had to be Jason Parks. Keep up the good work.
Can you give us more details on the Robbie Grossman scouting reports?
When was the last time that the Pirates were possible buyers at the trade deadline and willing to take on salary? After 18 long years, this season has been so much fun.
I have been following the Pirates for years. The lack of a true number 1 in the draft is typical of the black cloud surrounding the franchise. Whoever they take out of the top 4 will end up being the incorrect pick because that's the way things work in Pittsburgh.
Kevin, how does Hultzen compare to Bryan Bullington?
I live in Pittsburgh and I can't get the games when they are preempted by the hockey playoffs or on the road and not broadcast locally. There has to be a way for MLB.tv to allow local games when the rights holder chooses not to broadcast them.