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Kane County is now affiliated with the Diamondbacks. Sorry, I hate to be that guy...
Nice work as always, Jeff. Do you know much about <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/card/card.php?id=100781">Jordan Guerrero</a></span>? As a sad White Sox fan, I'm looking for anything outside of <span class="playerdef"><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/player_search.php?search_name=Tim+Anderson">Tim Anderson</a></span> right now.
"If you have time, could you please do a mock for all 40 rounds?"
Jose Abreu doing Jose Abreu things.
Sale, Kluber, Tanaka
Does this mean I now have to burn my White Sox #want shirt?
In all seriousness, congrats Jason!
Ahh the White Flag trade would have been mine, so I'm glad it made the list. I was 9 and was oddly enough in Cooperstown on vacation with my parents. My Dad woke me up to tell me what he heard on ESPN and didn't believe it, so he rushed out of the hotel to find a newspaper (oh technology these days) only to find it to be true. While it turned out to be the right move, the pieces the White Sox got back failed to really materialize to change their franchise the way the deal should have.
I know Parks and others have written about Raimel Tapia's wide stance. This is the first time I have seen video on him, and wow is it pronounced. Very different but cool to see.
::Opens wallet:: Here, just take my money. All of it.
(And yes I realize this feature is free for the most part, but it's reason number 5467984648794546 why I will continue to subscribe.)
SSS aside, this White Sox fan was very pleased with Jose Abreu's at bats yesterday.
As a White Sox fan, I have a harder time explaining Hawk than I do baseball. My roommate isn't a sports fan in the least (though grew up in the states). He will sometimes sit and watch gamed with me. Hawk will say something dumb, my roommate will ask me about what he just said, and I spend most of my time explaining why he's wrong, rather than what's going on in the game.
I'm grew up near the Kaneville, IL area. After a quick Google search I believe it should be Elburn, IL, which makes sense considering a kid living in Elgin would have a pretty far distance to travel to school. Elburn, IL is also in the Kaneville school district.
Also voting for Chicago. Specifically South Side. The only better tail gaters than Sox fans are Brewers fans.
RIP the chance to use the "3?" joke whenever.
But in all seriousness, congrats to the both of you. Your contributions will be missed!
I'm glad of this. It's weird. The write up left me disappointed in previous failure while leaving me optimistic for the turn around happening.
Replace White Sox with Brewers
I hate to laugh at the misfortune of others, but #1 was pure win.
Gabe, you have been absolutely shoving it with your last two articles. Please BP, let this continue.
I'm a White Sox fan so I consume a lot of Hawk BS. I can't stand when he says "That's a hang with 'em! He hit it right at 'em!"
No Hawk, the defense is usually positioned there because of evil sabermetrics.
In college my friend typed up rules to the Hawk Harrelson drinking game. Since it listed every one of his oddities (lord knows that list is almost endless) we were drunk by the 4th inning. Probably the best way to consume current White Sox baseball.
I'm shocked that a recent White Sox draft didn't fall under the "never having an MLB player reach the majors" category. It just feels like something they would accomplish.
False. That Shiner Smokehaus is undrinkable.
I'm not a scout (obviously) but I don't think Hawkins is projected to play center if/when he realizes his talent.
Dude, where did you get a rental car for $6 a day?!?! I went 2 years ago (yes I wasn't 25 mind you) and paid an arm and a leg for a car.
Otherwise, nice review of how great Spring Training is (minus the vermin that is adult autograph seekers - but that's a different topic)
I'm a White Sox fan and I envy what the Cardinals AND Cubs have, so ha!
"It will be a slippery slope"
I disagree. In fact I look at your whole argument as a slippery slope fallacy. Mainly because besides the Pirates, none of those mascots are MLB team names. Even more so, I don't know of a big pirate population in the US that are being offended by the Pittsburgh mascot.
And some of the other mascots you named don't have negative or stereotypical connotations to them (such as Minutemen, Colonials, Senators, Hoosiers, Miners etc.) and some are nicknames for groups of people that simply don't exist anymore (Spartans and Trojans come to mind).
I can't really fault anyone for not taking offense to the Cleveland logo and nickname. But it does hurt me a little that a sport like Baseball has been somewhat progressive culturally in this countries history.
Thanks for the information, Jason. One last question: Is the bonus scandal from a few years ago still really hurting this team in the DR and other international hot spots?
I spoose the system looks better than say, last years (don't go back and look, seriously. It hurts the eyes) but this is still a top 3 worst system in baseball, right?
Further, any word on what Rich Hahn will be doing differently? I know we have almost nothing to go off of, but this is an awful system for a team that has not been picking late in the draft.
Doug - thanks. Sorry my post was not clear, as yes, Sale would not fit the "now and then" series. Rather, I'm more interested in your opinion of his mechanics, how he does what he does, and whether his mechanies are a warning flag for future injury.
And Ben, a NSFW tag would work too ;)
Doug, I have really enjoyed stuff like this. I would be thrilled to see something like this with Chris Sale, just to get your opinion.
I tend to agree with you. Especially because it looks like Keppinger will be hitting second and he almost never stikes out. Great opportunites for the hit and run (i.e having De Aza go first to third) and easily be knocked in by Dunn/Konerko/Rios. Runs are an awful stat but they matter in almost all fantasy leagues.
The Jays trade made me lol. If anyone watches Treme on HBO, they might also think of DJ Davis like I did.
Hey, some of us still have office jobs and with that comes time to waste.
The West Wing: Behind the scenes of the Angels
The Wire: A drunk cop and a detective try and bust PED users all while tapping the phone lines of MLB GM's!
Treme: Go behind the scenes of a dying culture in baseball! RBI's, clutch, and batting average try to stay relevant in a changing culture
Ok, Ian's were better, but whatever.
So much win.
Yeah, the republican led congress will be ready to take on the huge cable corporations for the small consumer.
But you're right, cable is a ripoff. The only reason I still subscribe it to watch the White Sox.
Jason, I know you discussed this on the podcast (RIP) but it is slipping my mind. What is the difference between control and command (as you stated with Kyle Zimmer)?
He just laughed :
For me it was when the White Sox signed Albert Belle. I was in 4th grade and the White Sox were usually bad and losing divisions to the Indians. I remember hearing the news on WWF Raw (hey I liked wrestling at the time) and ran to my dad to tell him. He didn't believe me because of the source.
The following summer I was a kid at the White Sox training camps they had. Chris Snopek was the player who had to show up for the kids and fielded questions in front of everyone. I asked him if Albert Belle was a jerk.
Re: Jordan Danks: Who knew Hawk Harrelson had a vote in these things?
Honest question because I don't know, but do other networks (such as NBC, ABC and CBS) promote their network garbage during the big games? I don't want enough football or basketball to recall.
I know with Hockey NBC usualyl stays out of the way, but then again it's the NHL we're talking about.
Trolling Buck into a response isn't humor. It's lame and embarrassing, especailly for a National broadcast for the World Series. And I'm assuming your premise isn't a complete lie.
It will never happen. Hawk is the guy who says "We'll see what kind of guru Billy Bean is when he doesn't have that pitching."
It's insane how dumb that is.
Wonderful article, Len. As a huge White Sox fan, I found myself tuning into more Cubs games than ever because of the openess to discuss advanced stuff while not being condescending at all. I especially made it a point to tune in every Sunday for Stat Sunday.
It's such a nice change to get the advanced stuff into the mainstream and try to educate their fanbase on what all 30 teams are using. I just wish some other Chicago organization would discuss it more during the broadcast with their fans...
Are the Orioles the only MLB team that are against the cutter, to your knowledge Jason? I ask because a team like the White Sox, and specifically Don Cooper, have made some average pitchers have good seasons by adding the cutter.
Not saying one side is right and the other is wrong, by the way.
I agree. I really like a quick hit on some of the big leaguers. Nice touch.
When will this be released in limited edition colored vinyl? 5 year anniversary? 10 year anniversary?
Congrats, KG. You will be missed. As a loyal White Sox fan, I will be rooting for the Astros...unless the White Sox are involved.
Wonderful article. Can't wait for for the next one!
If only there was some way you could avoid reading such content. Like some sort of tool that allowed you click on only the things you wanted to view on the internet.
I second this request.
In before people act like paying 4 bucks is the biggest travesty in their life.
Cory Branan is so great. New record is amazing. Thanks again for profiling great music, Kevin!
You could say that Diamondbacks/Padres game was a dud.
WOW! Two White Sox farm hands in one write up? Us Pale Hose fans don't know how to react.
Kevin, I understand what you mean when you say it looks as though Tim Beckham will just be a big league SS. Who currently best profiles as just an average SS? I'm not looking for a comp to Bechham's skills, rather just a baseline as an average league SS.
Ditto Alex Rios.
YOUKILIS INJURIES ARE PROOF THAT OBAMACARE IS A FAILURE AND DEATH PANELS ARE REAL
I was at the Kane County game on Saturday and the Zooperstars were there. I was going to write the podcast asking if the player they pick on is a good sign he is an NP, but the question kind of answers itself.
Wonderful article Jason.
It's perfect timing considering I have been pondering the very same question about Gordon Beckham. Here's a quy who is playing his third position of his short big league career, and not necessarilly because he failed at the first two. He's also a guy who showed flashes right away when he came up.
Beckham has not lived up to what he was going to be. But I have started to wonder if a second baseman with a great glove, shows a little pop, and a little hit is really a failure.
To piggy back on this question, an article breaking down how the White Sox got in this position would be really interesting.
What kind of fruit beer will Jay be bringing to accommodate Kevin?
I look at it a much different way. If Bleacher Report is a site that caters to the "casual fan" if you will, then Steven's work will only help the casual fan become more educated and hopefully, see a new light into the game we all love.
Further educating an entire fandom can only be a good thing.
Briliant. You owe my employer a new keyboard, as my drink is now all over it after spitting it out looking at the picture of the usher covering his head.
The spirit of this series by Jason is to say "hey, let's chill on some of these guys." So since we already know the White Sox don't have a system, this should have been a one off series, something like "What could go right?" I admit, it would take serious #want for Jason to be optimistic, especially as something as soul crushing as the current chisox system.
Love this topic. The argument that drives me insane when discussing players like Jim Rice for the Hall of Fame, opponents point out her terribly low OBP for a hall worthy player. Without fail I always get back "Yeah but OBP wasn't valued as much." Although I agree it was not a valued statistic like today, the argument that OBP wasn't valued basically says "players didn't know outs were bad" which is insane.
As a younger baseball fan (24) I always find it funny that on one hand the writers love to hate the "steroid guys" because they tainted the numbers. Yet on the other hand, when you try and use actual numbers (and I'm not even talking SABR stuff)to decide on players for the HOF, your argument is instnatly not valid because "You didn't see him and I did."
"Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be"
I swear, the Onion had DodgerKen in mind when they wrote this.
Protip: the first amendment applies to the Government restricting your right to free speech. Not private companies like BP.
If only there was some kind of device that could send and receieve short messages in a readable text format.
80 Grade trolling by the Professor.
There are..umm other streams as well. But I'm sure posting those links is frowned upon here at BP because of the legal questions...
I have noticed a huge lack of White Sox prospects in your update. I'm not here to slam you at all...as the best prospects should be covered. My question is how bad is it?
Glad to see The Mountain Goats getting some love.
I also like a song called "Babeball's Sad Lexicon" by Chicago Artist, Sundowner. http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/sundowner/baseballssadlexicon.html
Thanks for the info. I'm a huge dork when it comes to rule qwirks like this and did not know it existed until today.
Why is it the PTBNL cannot have played in the National League this season?
Came for a 20-80 grade on the storm, leaving satisfied.
It's really no different than anything else on ESPN these days. I'm tired of the boo-yah network. I want the highlights and actual analysis. Not top 10, not a 6 pack of "questions."
Do scouts think the Jordan Danks power is for real?
Although Boras was speaking of giving up the chance at a scholarship to go to play baseball, there is some truth in his statement once an athlete attends college on scholarship.
I know as far as basketball and football scholarships go, almost all of the kids do not get to take the classes they want to. Rather, they get are made to take the "easy track" to keep them eligable. If it's happening for big time basketball and football programs, I'm sure it would be happening for big time baseball programs as well. I understand that the "student athlete" is getting an education, but many times it's not the education they want, so in that sense sometimes they are giving up rights.
"Jeff Bagwell’s Senator Larry Craig-approved batting stance" Professor, I believe you owe my employer a new keyboard. The coffee I spit out has runined the damn thing.
Came for bone structure, leaving satisfied.
But seriously, congrats Jason on your BP gig. I have really enjoyed your prospect knowledge on the podcast and look forward to reading more articles like these.
Kevin, I know you're high on Sale, but ultimately what do you think he is? Starter? Closer?
I got The Last Boy the Bullpen Gospels. Really looking forward to diving into both!
I saw Pannozzo's name come up and wondered if bringing up the Boers' points is fair game or not. I'm an avid TB listener, but sometimes I question the motives, ya know?
Here comes a tin foil hat moment. Is it possible the Rangers are trying to make it look like they're attempting to sign Cliff Lee? By doing so, the Rangers front office can at least say to their fans (both the new found fans and the longtime ones) that they attempted to sign him but those evil Yankees swooped in and once again "bought a player?" The Rangers will see a spike in short term revenue for their recent success, but doesn't putting up a front of "hey at least we tried" appeal to their fans long term?
All of this is most likely complete BS. I really have no idea if even doing such a thing would actually look good for the franchise.
As someone who lived in Normal for 5 years, props to Jason for dropping the Cornbelters reference. Not only is the team name and their stadium name sort of funny, their logo looks like a stoned piece of corn.
Two weeks without a "not manager" segment. EXPLAIN YOURSELVES!
Just please, make Jason ask Albini what he thinks about fashion.
I am a White Sox fan, so I admit bias right off the bat. However, I thought that particular World Series was a great one. You had unlikely heroes (Podsednik, Blum) Great pitching (game 4) and really a lot of likable players and story lines(Guillen, Bagwell, Biggio).
What really made me mad was how half of the film was about how steroids has changed the game to a point where it was so hard to pitch, yet on the other hand you completely ignore the ALCS pitching run by the White Sox (4 straight complete games). Will we ever see that again in the modern era?
Lastly, the White Sox title drought was longer.
The only reason he's a "part timer" is because TLR loves himself small sample size in favor of better players.
So six years ago John Rooney was bad because he was on the "White Sox homer" network, yet Pat Hughes is good because he works with a bumbling homer. Got it.
I wonder how many free agent contracts Boras has garnered that, in hindsight, were unjustified.
My point is that there is risk in both. Personally, I'll spend the extra two million on upside rather than overpay a free agent who will more times than not, be untradeable with three years left in a deal.
I thought the White Sox were trying to move away from the low ceiling, safe college arm. I'm not saying your wrong KG, but rather how do you go from drafting Jared Mitchell (raw, but tools) to the safe pick?
Although a fair point, you also are assuming that pitching is readily available in the open market. Most times it's not, and when it is, the price is very steep. In the White Sox case, going out to find a bat is much, much easier, IMO.
IIRC, Damon is worth about 3 wins, but that assumes he doesn't play defense and is a full time DH.
Wow, those Alexi numbers.
Also, Mark Teahen hitting 4th? I'd rather not think about that disaster.
Does this account for say, a city with two teams? For example, in Chicago, you would be out of your mind to think the White Sox would generate the same amount of revenue as the Cubs if both teams win 100 games.
Could not agree more. I get just as much, if not more joy from reading comments and reading author reply's who always seem interested and willing to further a discussion.
"The Sox didn't do that bad in the White Flag trade either..."
I disagree. In that trade the white sox got:
* Keith Foulke
* Bob Howry
* Lorenzo Barcelo
* Ken Vining
* Mike Caruso
* Brian Manning
Although there are some decent names on that list (Foulke, Howry went onto have good careers) The White Sox were pretty bad from 2007-2005, and even in 2000 when they won the central Foulke and Howry were on that team. Not really a good haul considering the timing and the the hype the club built up for it to be a franchising changing trade.
Although I am trying hard not to rush judgement, this shole situation reeks of PED's. Why was Manny going to a non team doctor in the first place? Moreover, notice there has been no fight from Manny or the Boras camp. I know there are real medical uses for this, but a doctor, let alone one that is practicing on an MLB superstar, would know the impacts on a drug test.
With all that, this doesn't change my view on Manny. Still a HOFer, and one of the greatest hitters I have ever seen.
Football in general is the most watched sport because it's the easiest to gamble on (much like the NCAA Tournament). Personally, every fantasy league I have played in involved money, and I'm sure much is the same for many. With that said, I have never been a part of a fantasy baseball league with a cash prize. Plus, fact it, football season is basically make your picks for Sunday and that's it. Basically what it comes down to is football is made for gambling and TV. Baseball just isn't.
I'm here to agree as well. I'm curious as to how BPers feel about blogs like mlbtraderumors.com. Personally, I don't care, and usually get irritated when people reference sites like that. Let me know when it actually happens, not when an anonymous source says teams are talking to create smoke and mirrors.
went and saw them in Champaign tonight. Sooo great.
I agree somewhat, but Floyd is a good candidate to regress this year, and the Cell is a hitters park.
Personally, I would be willing to pay a premium to watch my team wherever I want. For example, I am going to school in central Illinois and currently do not get WCIU for White Sox games. I would be willing to pay an extra 50 or 100 bucks so that I could watch all games on my computer regardless of where I am living (ala no blackouts). I\'m sure much the same could be said for many other \"displaced\" fans.
To echo, how was Pierzynski passed on? Definitely not a top 10 catcher, but should fall in the 16-20 range.
The Blue Jays would win the Central if they were actually in it.
Who is \"overworked\"? Buehrle is one of the most consistant pitchers in the game, basically locking up 200 innings a season for the past 6 to 7 seasons. Danks and Floyd are coming off sophmore seasons where they showed they could handle the work load. Forth and Fifth spots are going to be awful, I\'ll give you that.
As a Sox fan, im not optimistic, but looking at the Twins, I wouldn\'t like my chances this year either.