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Career Summary
Years IP W L SV SO ERA WARP
23 5282.3 324 256 5 3574 3.26 53.2
Birth Date4-2-1945
Height6' 1"
Weight185 lbs
BatsR
ThrowsR
WARP Summary

Standard

YEAR TEAM AGE G GS IP IP-SP IP-RP W L SV BS QS BQS PA H R ER HR TB BB UBB HBP SO ERA FIP FRA VORP WARP
1966 LAN 21 37 35 225.7 223.3 2.3 12 12 0 0 21 1 916 192 82 75 19 279 52 46 3 209 2.99 2.65 3.23 31.8 3.5
1967 LAN 22 37 34 232.7 226.7 6.0 11 15 1 0 17 1 962 223 106 102 18 324 57 48 6 169 3.95 3.02 3.44 18.9 2.0
1968 LAN 23 35 27 207.7 192.0 15.7 11 15 1 0 20 0 847 179 64 60 6 227 59 45 2 162 2.60 2.24 2.55 21.2 2.5
1969 LAN 24 41 41 293.3 293.3 0.0 17 18 0 0 27 3 1226 269 123 113 25 394 91 85 3 217 3.47 3.25 3.80 19.1 2.1
1970 LAN 25 38 38 260.3 260.3 0.0 15 13 0 0 21 3 1109 251 127 118 38 415 78 71 10 201 4.08 4.22 4.47 24.5 2.3
1971 LAN 26 38 37 265.3 264.0 1.3 17 12 1 0 27 2 1059 231 85 75 10 310 55 50 5 194 2.54 2.25 2.81 50.8 5.3
1972 LAN 27 33 33 272.7 272.7 0.0 19 9 0 0 26 4 1061 186 78 63 13 267 63 62 4 207 2.08 2.37 3.20 29.8 3.5
1973 LAN 28 33 33 256.3 256.3 0.0 18 10 0 0 23 5 1006 196 78 69 18 285 56 52 5 200 2.42 2.62 3.34 35.9 4.0
1974 LAN 29 40 40 276.0 276.0 0.0 19 9 0 0 26 1 1148 241 111 99 23 366 80 78 6 179 3.23 3.31 3.67 30.8 3.4
1975 LAN 30 35 35 254.3 254.3 0.0 16 13 0 0 25 2 1031 202 87 81 17 312 62 57 3 175 2.87 2.88 3.30 32.8 3.1
1976 LAN 31 35 34 267.7 264.7 3.0 21 10 0 1 22 3 1093 231 98 91 22 339 82 76 3 161 3.06 3.47 4.22 0.2 -0.1
1977 LAN 32 33 33 240.3 240.3 0.0 14 8 0 0 21 3 979 207 93 85 23 332 69 67 3 150 3.18 3.63 3.83 29.7 2.8
1978 LAN 33 34 34 238.3 238.3 0.0 15 11 0 0 20 3 990 228 109 94 29 367 54 47 5 154 3.55 3.65 3.74 20.8 1.7
1979 LAN 34 33 32 226.0 225.0 1.0 12 15 1 0 18 4 927 201 109 96 21 296 61 55 1 146 3.82 3.43 4.00 23.6 2.3
1980 LAN 35 32 31 212.3 212.0 0.3 13 5 1 0 27 1 833 163 56 52 20 255 47 42 2 128 2.20 3.46 3.97 10.5 1.1
1981 HOU 36 23 23 158.7 158.7 0.0 11 9 0 0 17 2 624 132 51 46 6 174 29 26 1 104 2.61 2.42 2.86 26.3 2.8
1982 HOU 37 27 27 195.0 195.0 0.0 13 8 0 0 18 5 784 169 75 65 10 237 46 44 1 139 3.00 2.71 3.44 21.4 2.2
1982 MIL 37 7 7 54.7 54.7 0.0 4 1 0 0 4 1 228 55 21 20 8 87 18 18 0 36 3.29 4.26 4.73 2.3 0.2
1983 MIL 38 31 31 220.3 220.3 0.0 8 13 0 0 17 4 925 209 109 100 21 319 54 52 5 134 4.08 3.65 4.05 20.6 2.2
1984 MIL 39 33 33 212.7 212.7 0.0 14 12 0 0 22 4 912 224 103 89 24 336 51 49 3 143 3.77 3.63 4.09 18.5 2.0
1985 CAL 40 5 5 31.7 31.7 0.0 2 2 0 0 3 0 124 27 13 13 6 52 8 8 0 16 3.69 4.95 5.72 -0.6 -0.1
1985 OAK 40 29 29 194.3 194.3 0.0 13 8 0 0 20 0 819 194 88 84 19 285 51 51 0 91 3.89 3.86 3.72 28.4 3.0
1986 CAL 41 34 34 207.0 207.0 0.0 15 11 0 0 19 1 853 192 93 86 31 327 49 47 3 116 3.74 4.37 5.03 8.2 0.9
1987 CAL 42 35 34 191.7 187.3 4.3 11 11 0 1 17 0 795 199 101 100 38 339 41 41 7 99 4.70 5.17 5.96 4.0 0.4
1988 LAN 43 16 16 87.3 87.3 0.0 3 6 0 0 5 1 380 91 44 38 7 126 30 24 1 44 3.92 3.81 4.55 1.1 0.0
Career7747565282.35248.334.03242565248354216314692210419144727050134312418235743.263.303.78510.553.2

Advanced

'opp' stats - Quality of opponents faced - have been moved and are available only as OPP_QUAL in the Statistics reports now.
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YEAR Team Lg G GS IP FRA FRA+ TAv oppAVG oppOBP oppSLG oppTAv BABIP PPF PVORP PWARP VORP WARP
1966 LAN MLB 37 35 225.7 3.23 114 .240 .260 .313 .394 .265 .273 91 32.9 3.7 31.8 3.5
1967 LAN MLB 37 34 232.7 3.44 102 .260 .251 .310 .367 .264 .288 92 16.5 1.9 18.9 2.0
1968 LAN MLB 35 27 207.7 2.55 112 .236 .246 .299 .343 .258 .280 85 20.5 2.6 21.2 2.5
1969 LAN MLB 41 41 293.3 3.80 102 .255 .251 .316 .372 .260 .274 95 22.2 2.5 19.1 2.1
1970 LAN MLB 38 38 260.3 4.47 95 .268 .257 .327 .393 .265 .272 94 20.8 2.2 24.5 2.3
1971 LAN MLB 38 37 265.3 2.81 124 .229 .252 .312 .367 .260 .278 94 44.4 5.1 50.8 5.3
1972 LAN MLB 33 33 272.7 3.20 112 .205 .251 .314 .370 .268 .224 93 28.5 3.4 29.8 3.5
1973 LAN MLB 33 33 256.3 3.34 116 .209 .256 .321 .380 .262 .245 96 35.9 3.9 35.9 4.0
1974 LAN MLB 40 40 276.0 3.67 107 .244 .254 .320 .364 .259 .253 95 31.7 3.5 30.8 3.4
1975 LAN MLB 35 35 254.3 3.30 116 .222 .259 .324 .373 .259 .239 95 36.0 3.9 32.8 3.1
1976 LAN MLB 35 34 267.7 4.22 89 .244 .255 .317 .363 .259 .253 96 3.5 0.4 0.2 -0.1
1977 LAN MLB 33 33 240.3 3.83 111 .236 .262 .323 .397 .257 .251 97 29.9 3.1 29.7 2.8
1978 LAN MLB 34 34 238.3 3.74 106 .257 .252 .315 .376 .255 .266 99 23.8 2.6 20.8 1.7
1979 LAN MLB 33 32 226.0 4.00 106 .234 .258 .318 .377 .253 .258 101 23.9 2.5 23.6 2.3
1980 LAN MLB 32 31 212.3 3.97 100 .215 .259 .316 .375 .254 .225 98 16.8 1.8 10.5 1.1
1981 HOU MLB 23 23 158.7 2.86 122 .221 .260 .319 .373 .262 .260 95 26.2 2.9 26.3 2.8
1982 HOU MLB 27 27 195.0 3.44 108 .224 .259 .316 .376 .254 .270 91 21.7 2.3 21.4 2.2
1982 MIL MLB 7 7 54.7 4.73 92 .264 .266 .340 .414 .275 .283 97 2.3 0.2 2.3 0.2
1983 MIL MLB 31 31 220.3 4.05 105 .252 .265 .326 .396 .264 .264 94 20.6 2.2 20.6 2.2
1984 MIL MLB 33 33 212.7 4.09 100 .272 .266 .326 .403 .267 .289 92 18.5 2.0 18.5 2.0
1985 CAL MLB 5 5 31.7 5.72 70 .254 .260 .318 .410 .264 .223 96 -0.6 -0.1 -0.6 -0.1
1985 OAK MLB 29 29 194.3 3.72 113 .250 .261 .327 .404 .266 .266 93 28.4 3.0 28.4 3.0
1986 CAL MLB 34 34 207.0 5.03 85 .255 .266 .330 .419 .268 .246 94 8.2 0.9 8.2 0.9
1987 CAL MLB 35 34 191.7 5.96 76 .264 .268 .333 .433 .267 .264 97 4.0 0.4 4.0 0.4
1988 LAN MLB 16 16 87.3 4.55 79 .266 .246 .306 .360 .253 .282 97 0.3 0.0 1.1 0.0
1988 BAK A+ 3 3 15.7 0.00 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

Statistics For All Levels

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Year Team Lg W L SV G GS IP H BB SO HR GB% BABIP H/9 BB/9 HR/9 K/9 WHIP ERA VORP WARP
1966 LAN MLB 12 12 0 37 35 225.7 192 52 209 19 53% .273 7.7 2.1 0.8 8.3 1.08 2.99 31.8 3.5
1967 LAN MLB 11 15 1 37 34 232.7 223 57 169 18 50% .288 8.6 2.2 0.7 6.5 1.20 3.95 18.9 2.0
1968 LAN MLB 11 15 1 35 27 207.7 179 59 162 6 51% .280 7.8 2.6 0.3 7.0 1.15 2.60 21.2 2.5
1969 LAN MLB 17 18 0 41 41 293.3 269 91 217 25 52% .274 8.3 2.8 0.8 6.7 1.23 3.47 19.1 2.1
1970 LAN MLB 15 13 0 38 38 260.3 251 78 201 38 49% .272 8.7 2.7 1.3 6.9 1.26 4.08 24.5 2.3
1971 LAN MLB 17 12 1 38 37 265.3 231 55 194 10 50% .278 7.8 1.9 0.3 6.6 1.08 2.54 50.8 5.3
1972 LAN MLB 19 9 0 33 33 272.7 186 63 207 13 50% .224 6.1 2.1 0.4 6.8 0.91 2.08 29.8 3.5
1973 LAN MLB 18 10 0 33 33 256.3 196 56 200 18 46% .245 6.9 2.0 0.6 7.0 0.98 2.42 35.9 4.0
1974 LAN MLB 19 9 0 40 40 276.0 241 80 179 23 48% .253 7.9 2.6 0.8 5.8 1.16 3.23 30.8 3.4
1975 LAN MLB 16 13 0 35 35 254.3 202 62 175 17 45% .239 7.1 2.2 0.6 6.2 1.04 2.87 32.8 3.1
1976 LAN MLB 21 10 0 35 34 267.7 231 82 161 22 48% .253 7.8 2.8 0.7 5.4 1.17 3.06 0.2 -0.1
1977 LAN MLB 14 8 0 33 33 240.3 207 69 150 23 50% .251 7.8 2.6 0.9 5.6 1.15 3.18 29.7 2.8
1978 LAN MLB 15 11 0 34 34 238.3 228 54 154 29 47% .266 8.6 2.0 1.1 5.8 1.18 3.55 20.8 1.7
1979 LAN MLB 12 15 1 33 32 226.0 201 61 146 21 43% .258 8.0 2.4 0.8 5.8 1.16 3.82 23.6 2.3
1980 LAN MLB 13 5 1 32 31 212.3 163 47 128 20 45% .225 6.9 2.0 0.8 5.4 0.99 2.20 10.5 1.1
1981 HOU MLB 11 9 0 23 23 158.7 132 29 104 6 51% .260 7.5 1.6 0.3 5.9 1.01 2.61 26.3 2.8
1982 HOU MLB 13 8 0 27 27 195.0 169 46 139 10 46% .270 7.8 2.1 0.5 6.4 1.10 3.00 21.4 2.2
1982 MIL MLB 4 1 0 7 7 54.7 55 18 36 8 47% .283 9.1 3.0 1.3 5.9 1.34 3.29 2.3 0.2
1983 MIL MLB 8 13 0 31 31 220.3 209 54 134 21 45% .264 8.5 2.2 0.9 5.5 1.19 4.08 20.6 2.2
1984 MIL MLB 14 12 0 33 33 212.7 224 51 143 24 44% .289 9.5 2.2 1.0 6.1 1.29 3.77 18.5 2.0
1985 CAL MLB 2 2 0 5 5 31.7 27 8 16 6 38% .223 7.7 2.3 1.7 4.5 1.11 3.69 -0.6 -0.1
1985 OAK MLB 13 8 0 29 29 194.3 194 51 91 19 40% .266 9.0 2.4 0.9 4.2 1.26 3.89 28.4 3.0
1986 CAL MLB 15 11 0 34 34 207.0 192 49 116 31 45% .246 8.3 2.1 1.3 5.0 1.16 3.74 8.2 0.9
1987 CAL MLB 11 11 0 35 34 191.7 199 41 99 38 40% .264 9.3 1.9 1.8 4.6 1.25 4.70 4.0 0.4
1988 LAN MLB 3 6 0 16 16 87.3 91 30 44 7 47% .282 9.4 3.1 0.7 4.5 1.39 3.92 1.1 0.0
1988 BAK A+ 0 1 0 3 3 15.7 16 3 19 0 0% .000 9.2 1.7 0.0 10.9 1.21 4.01 0.0 0.0

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YEAR PITCHES ZONE_RT SWING_RT CONTACT_RT Z_SWING_RT O_SWING_RT Z_CONTACT_RT O_CONTACT_RT SW_STRK_RT

Injury History

Date On Date Off Transaction Days Games Side Body Part Injury Severity Surgery Date Reaggravation
1988-07-03 - - - Right Shoulder Recovery From Surgery - -
1988-06-29 1988-08-09 41 37 Right Elbow Strain - -

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The Lineup Card: Nine Memorable Extra-Inning GamesBaseball Prospectus2014-08-13
This article requires BP Premium accessThe View from the Loge Level: Clayton Kershaw and the Dodgers Pitching TraditionDaron Sutton2014-06-20
The BP Wayback Machine: The Old You're In, You're OutJoe Sheehan2014-01-10
This article requires BP Premium accessBaseball Therapy: The Hall of Fame Ballots By the NumbersRussell A. Carleton2014-01-09
Overthinking It: Matt Harvey's First Year, Historically SpeakingBen Lindbergh2013-07-29
BP Unfiltered: ERA, Falling SlowlyAndrew Koo2013-07-25
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Wezen-Ball: The Hooded MenaceLarry Granillo2012-10-22
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Inside The Park: Ode to a Terrible StatBradford Doolittle2012-02-23
Prospectus Hit and Run: The Greatness of Gary CarterJay Jaffe2012-02-17
The BP Broadside: Fernandomania and LinsanitySteven Goldman2012-02-16
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Prospectus Q&A: Jack O'Connell, Part IIDavid Laurila2011-01-21
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BP Chats

DateQuestionAnswer
2013-01-11 14:00:00 (link to chat)Do you think some writers will hold a grudge against Glavine next year due to his imput on the 1994 Major League Baseball strike and drug testing as a players' union representative ?
(19braves77 from Pensacola. FL)
I voiced this opinion last night on Twitter. I think there's something to it, if you go back and look at the low votes for Ted Simmons, Joe Torre and more recently David Cone. Curt Schilling, a JAWS-approved candidate, himself noted that he felt his low vote share (38.8%) in part reflected his activity as a player representative who didn't do enough to combat PEDs during his time. For once, I agree with him.

Will it be enough to keep Glavine out? Possibly on the first ballot given the crowd of candidates, the tenor of the electorate, and the precedent of not all 300-game winners making it on the first try (Gaylord Perry, Don Sutton and Phil Niekro had to wait). He'll get his plaque eventually, though. (Jay Jaffe on the Hall of Fame)
2010-06-28 14:00:00 (link to chat)By happy coincidence, I daydreamed a question for you not more than a day ago, and here you are. Not that I'm trying to sneak in the backdoor, but do consistent players get any sort of boost in the public's estimation of their HoF chances, and should they? I think here of a Jack Morris. Even though his heights were more very good than HoF, his workmanlike consistency--on top of being relatable and making him seem like a good guy--kept Tigers fans from a lot of crappy starts from a more up and down pitcher. I wonder if consistency (if it could be defined) would ever end up having a predictive value on eventual election. Thanks for suffering a long question, Jay.
(Jim Clancy from Exhibition Stadium)
Consistency is pretty difficult to quantify, except perhaps in the way it enables players to accumulate the benchmark stats that most of the public regards as constituting "a good season." I think of Steve Garvey rapping out his 200 hits, 100 RBI and .300 batting average every year and how highly esteemed he was in his day, and yet how far his star has fallen in light of a more modern statistical reckoning. But then I also think of guys like Blyleven and Don Sutton who were pretty consistent on some levels but didn't rack up the 20-win seasons that some of their peers did, and aren't held on the same level as them even if they may have been more valuable.

In the end I suspect peak value holds more sway on the public's estimation of a potential HoFer, because people tend to remember the high points, the outliers, the things that break pattern rather than the pattern itself. (Jay Jaffe)
2009-12-17 13:00:00 (link to chat)Thoughts on Posada's hall worthiness? If he and Damon are marginal, the '09 Yanks seem to have a lot of sure, possible, and potential HOFers on one team--which team had the most?
(Eli from Brooklyn)
I've written about Posada's Hall case more often than just about any active player in recent years; he needs to continue his strong hitting through the life of his contract in order to put himself in range, though winning another ring helped.

I believe that various Yankees of the late '20s and early '30s had as many as nine Hall of Famers plus manager at one point. It's tough to see these Yanks matching that. Jeter and Rivera are locks. A-Rod will need the steroid-related heat to cool off. Posada and Damon have to keep hitting, and Pettitte pitching his way into Don Sutton territory. Teixeira and Sabathia, both much further away, have to make good on their contracts and then some... and you're still a couple players and a manager way from topping that mark, which depeneded on the love from a much different Veterans Committee than we've got now. (Jay Jaffe)
2008-10-24 14:00:00 (link to chat)It seems like there are no players on either team who are already good Hall of Fame candidates (though guys like Utley, Upton, etc. have time to qualify.) Can you ever remember a Series without such an established veteran star?
(oira61 from San Francisco)
Wow, that's a good question, one that pretty much ties into what I was saying a couple of days ago about how rare it is to get two fresh teams facing off in the series for the first time in awhile. Add to that the fact that both teams are dominated by younger guys whose best days may still be ahead of them and you wind up with a situation like this. I'm jogging my memory and looking back over the WS matchups and thinking that we've hit a real stumper. At the time, people wondered aloud if the 1998 Yankees would yield a Hall of Famer, but now it's apparent that Mariano Rivera and Derek Jeter will make it if nobody else does, to say nothing of Tony Gwynn from the opposite dugout.

The 1982 matchup maybe - at the time it certainly wasn't apparent that Ozzie Smith, Robin Yount, Paul Molitor or Don Sutton would make it (Sutton would win 60-something more games in the majors), adn Rollie Fingers was sidelined too. Definitely a question to sock away for future pondering. (Jay Jaffe)


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