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Career Summary
Years PA AVG OBP SLG TAv WARP
15 9396 .277 .362 .464 .297 66.8
Birth Date2-25-1940
Height6' 0"
Weight190 lbs
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WARP Summary

Standard

YEAR TEAM AGE G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR TB BB SO HBP SF SH RBI SB CS AVG OBP SLG TAv VORP FRAA WARP
1960 CHN 20 95 382 347 44 87 24 2 9 142 31 44 0 2 2 44 0 3 .251 .311 .409 .263 9.4 -12.5 -0.3
1961 CHN 21 154 655 578 84 164 32 6 23 277 73 77 0 3 1 83 2 3 .284 .362 .479 .284 36.2 -18.9 1.8
1962 CHN 22 162 679 604 44 137 20 4 17 216 65 94 2 5 3 83 4 1 .227 .302 .358 .238 10.1 -4.6 0.6
1963 CHN 23 162 687 630 79 187 29 6 25 303 42 92 4 11 0 99 6 4 .297 .339 .481 .297 44.2 9.7 6.1
1964 CHN 24 161 686 592 94 185 33 13 30 334 86 96 2 6 0 114 3 4 .312 .398 .564 .343 74.3 -3.6 7.9
1965 CHN 25 164 704 608 88 173 30 4 33 310 88 109 5 3 0 101 3 1 .285 .378 .510 .321 58.9 8.3 7.5
1966 CHN 26 155 672 561 93 175 21 8 30 302 95 78 6 8 2 94 4 5 .312 .412 .538 .343 68.3 13.1 9.1
1967 CHN 27 161 697 586 107 176 23 4 31 300 96 103 3 12 0 98 1 5 .300 .395 .512 .340 73.4 10.2 9.8
1968 CHN 28 162 682 577 86 142 17 3 26 243 96 106 3 5 1 98 3 4 .246 .354 .421 .293 31.4 3.7 4.4
1969 CHN 29 160 687 575 97 166 18 4 29 279 96 97 2 14 0 123 1 3 .289 .384 .485 .312 60.9 -1.0 6.6
1970 CHN 30 154 655 555 83 148 30 4 26 264 92 108 1 6 1 114 2 0 .267 .369 .476 .289 43.1 8.4 5.4
1971 CHN 31 154 642 555 77 148 22 1 21 235 79 95 0 7 1 88 4 0 .267 .354 .423 .281 24.2 -8.9 1.8
1972 CHN 32 133 547 464 68 140 25 5 17 226 69 75 4 8 2 74 1 4 .302 .391 .487 .318 36.7 4.9 4.9
1973 CHN 33 149 604 536 65 143 29 2 20 236 63 97 4 1 0 77 1 2 .267 .348 .440 .270 28.9 -3.0 2.8
1974 CHA 34 117 417 375 29 83 12 1 5 112 37 72 2 3 0 41 0 2 .221 .293 .299 .219 -11.1 -2.6 -1.5
Career224393968143113822543656734237791108134338941313313541.277.362.464.297589.03.066.8

Advanced

'opp' stats - Quality of opponents faced - have been moved and are available only as OPP_QUAL in the Statistics reports now.
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YEAR Team Lg G PA TAv oppAVG oppOBP oppSLG oppTAv BABIP BPF BRAA repLVL POS_ADJ FRAA BRR BVORP BWARP VORP WARP
1960 CHN MLB 95 382 .263 .255 .312 .386 .255 .264 99 1.3 10.3 1.4 -12.5 -1.9 9.4 -0.3 9.4 -0.3
1961 CHN MLB 154 655 .284 .261 .323 .406 .260 .293 102 16.3 18.6 2.5 -18.9 -0.4 36.2 1.8 36.2 1.8
1962 CHN MLB 162 679 .238 .259 .322 .390 .260 .241 103 -15 18.6 2.7 -4.6 0.0 10.1 0.6 10.1 0.6
1963 CHN MLB 162 687 .297 .244 .302 .365 .256 .309 102 23.1 17.2 2.4 9.7 0.2 44.2 6.1 44.2 6.1
1964 CHN MLB 161 686 .343 .250 .303 .367 .255 .328 106 53.2 17.6 2.4 -3.6 -3.0 74.3 7.9 74.3 7.9
1965 CHN MLB 164 704 .321 .248 .307 .374 .259 .299 105 38.8 17.6 2.4 8.3 -2.1 58.9 7.5 58.9 7.5
1966 CHN MLB 155 672 .343 .252 .306 .377 .258 .315 106 50 16.8 2.5 13.1 -3.6 68.3 9.1 68.3 9.1
1967 CHN MLB 161 697 .340 .249 .307 .362 .261 .312 105 48.3 16.8 2.3 10.2 1.5 73.4 9.8 73.4 9.8
1968 CHN MLB 162 682 .293 .242 .295 .340 .256 .258 100 18.1 15.0 2.1 3.7 -3.1 31.4 4.4 31.4 4.4
1969 CHN MLB 160 687 .312 .250 .318 .370 .261 .296 106 34 17.6 2.4 -1.0 1.5 60.9 6.6 60.9 6.6
1970 CHN MLB 154 655 .289 .259 .330 .393 .265 .286 107 19.3 17.8 2.4 8.4 -1.0 43.1 5.4 43.1 5.4
1971 CHN MLB 154 642 .281 .254 .317 .368 .261 .285 106 12.3 15.8 1.9 -8.9 -1.9 24.2 1.8 24.2 1.8
1972 CHN MLB 133 547 .318 .250 .312 .366 .266 .324 107 27.5 12.9 1.7 4.9 -2.1 36.7 4.9 36.7 4.9
1973 CHN MLB 149 604 .270 .251 .317 .371 .256 .293 107 5.8 16.0 2.2 -3.0 -0.2 28.9 2.8 28.9 2.8
1974 CHA MLB 117 417 .219 .261 .323 .375 .262 .259 104 -16.7 10.8 -2.5 -2.6 -2.2 -11.1 -1.5 -11.1 -1.5

Statistics For All Levels

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Year Team Lg PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG ISO TAv VORP FRAA WARP
1960 CHN MLB 382 44 87 24 2 9 44 31 44 0 3 .251 .311 .409 .159 .263 9.4 -12.5 -0.3
1961 CHN MLB 655 84 164 32 6 23 83 73 77 2 3 .284 .362 .479 .196 .284 36.2 -18.9 1.8
1962 CHN MLB 679 44 137 20 4 17 83 65 94 4 1 .227 .302 .358 .131 .238 10.1 -4.6 0.6
1963 CHN MLB 687 79 187 29 6 25 99 42 92 6 4 .297 .339 .481 .184 .297 44.2 9.7 6.1
1964 CHN MLB 686 94 185 33 13 30 114 86 96 3 4 .312 .398 .564 .252 .343 74.3 -3.6 7.9
1965 CHN MLB 704 88 173 30 4 33 101 88 109 3 1 .285 .378 .510 .225 .321 58.9 8.3 7.5
1966 CHN MLB 672 93 175 21 8 30 94 95 78 4 5 .312 .412 .538 .226 .343 68.3 13.1 9.1
1967 CHN MLB 697 107 176 23 4 31 98 96 103 1 5 .300 .395 .512 .212 .340 73.4 10.2 9.8
1968 CHN MLB 682 86 142 17 3 26 98 96 106 3 4 .246 .354 .421 .175 .293 31.4 3.7 4.4
1969 CHN MLB 687 97 166 18 4 29 123 96 97 1 3 .289 .384 .485 .197 .312 60.9 -1.0 6.6
1970 CHN MLB 655 83 148 30 4 26 114 92 108 2 0 .267 .369 .476 .209 .289 43.1 8.4 5.4
1971 CHN MLB 642 77 148 22 1 21 88 79 95 4 0 .267 .354 .423 .157 .281 24.2 -8.9 1.8
1972 CHN MLB 547 68 140 25 5 17 74 69 75 1 4 .302 .391 .487 .185 .318 36.7 4.9 4.9
1973 CHN MLB 604 65 143 29 2 20 77 63 97 1 2 .267 .348 .440 .174 .270 28.9 -3.0 2.8
1974 CHA MLB 417 29 83 12 1 5 41 37 72 0 2 .221 .293 .299 .077 .219 -11.1 -2.6 -1.5

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Injury History

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BP Chats

DateQuestionAnswer
2013-01-11 14:00:00 (link to chat)To me, the most overlooked thing regarding the results of the voting is Kenny Lofton's not receiving the requisite 5% of the vote to remain on the ballot. 1. Do you think in a regular year without a polarizing issue like steroids, would he have received the vote? 2. Now that he can only be inducted by the veterans committee, what do you think his chances are? 3. Do you think his bouncing around from team to team later in his career hurts the voter's perception of him? I think it's very unfortunate that he won't stay on the ballot. I'm one who, after reading your analysis and through my own observation of him when he was active, certainly would get my vote if I had one.
(Mike Shumka from Milton, Ontario)
I think Lofton suffers less because of the steroid protest than the size of the crowd on the ballot and the fact that a certain segment of the electorate dramatically undervalues walks and defense. Nearly all of the Hall's recent injustices fit into that pattern - think of Ron Santo, Bobby Grich and Tim Raines, for example.

Lofton will have a long wait ahead of him if his cause is taken up by the Veterans Committee. Among center field contemporaries, Jim Edmonds, Andruw Jones and Carlos Beltran will all have their cases taken up by the BBWAA, and they've got reasonable merits and similar JAWS scores too. (Jay Jaffe on the Hall of Fame)
2013-01-11 14:00:00 (link to chat)When the dust clears, do you see Lou Whitaker getting in to the Hall?
(Yefrem from Canada)
Eventually, I think there's a good chance Trammell, Whitaker and Morris are all enshrined via the Veterans Committee process. I have Whitaker a bit below the JAWS standard and below Bobby Grich (http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_2B.shtml), but he's above on career and we're talking numbers to the right of the decimal overall - a false precision, basically.

It's probably too late given the current crowd of candidates, but I'd like to have seen Whitaker get back onto the BBWAA ballot via a similar amnesty to what put Ron Santo on the ballot in 1985 after he went 1-and-done in 1980. (Jay Jaffe on the Hall of Fame)
2012-04-13 13:00:00 (link to chat)Being one with an eye to history, you might remind Greg (america) of what happened about fifty years ago when the Cubs tried to do without a manager and rotate duties among the coaches. I enjoyed it immensely and found it highly entertaining. Then again, I'm a Cardinals fan.
(Bill from New Mexico)
Excellent point, Bill. Beyond future Hall of Famers Ernie Banks, Billy Williams and Ron Santo (man, do I love typing that), it didn't help that those Cubs teams weren't so talented; they went 61-90 and 59-103 in the two years they did it, 1961-1962. They did post an 82-80 record in 1963 once Bob Kennedy emerged as the "head coach," though it helped that Santo and Williams developed into stars, and their pitching took a step forward. Wikipedia has a lot to say about the situation, but I haven't vetted that info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_coaches (Jay Jaffe)
2012-01-09 13:00:00 (link to chat)I certainly hope Barry Larkin gets in today, but wouldn't it be eerie if Ron Santo is the only player to get in? One inductee, and a silent podium. +1/2St.
(HalfStreet from Fairfax VA)
Well, somebody - his widow, one of his sons, or a teammate, will be speaking on Santo's behalf, I believe, and maybe two people, so it's not going to be totally silent. But it's not going to help attendance any if Larkin doesn't get in, that's for sure. (Jay Jaffe's Hall of Fame Special)
2012-01-09 13:00:00 (link to chat)Now that Ron Santo has finally been elected to the Hall, who is the most deserving veteran nominee?
(Brian from DC)
Well, technically nobody's nominated at the moment. Among Golden Era candidates, Jimmy Wynn actually has a higher JAWS score, though less on the non-JAWS components (All-Star, Gold Glove, etc). (Jay Jaffe's Hall of Fame Special)
2011-11-30 13:00:00 (link to chat)Jimmy Wynn came up in a recent article as one of the best eligible players not in the Hall of Fame. I know almost nothing about him. Any enlightening stories?
(Functionary from Grey Cubicle, DC)
In the new data set, Wynn outranks Ron Santo as the best eligible player outside the Hall according to JAWS. Here's what I wrote about him almost two years ago (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9942), when his ranking wasn't quite as high:

The Toy Cannon spent the first 11 years of his career playing in the Astrodome, a godforsaken hitting environment if there ever was one. Properly adjusted for context, he was a helluva hitter, topping a .300 EqA six times during that span, with a high of .348 in 1969. He had two more outstanding years with the Dodgers in 1974 and 1975 before injuries washed him out of the majors at age 35. In the New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract, James ranks Wynn 10th all-time among center fielders, and likens him to former teammate Joe Morgan, another small, strong, speedy guy with outstanding control of the strike zone and good defense. (Jay Jaffe)
2011-09-06 14:00:00 (link to chat)3B fWAR/GP A. Beltre - 0.0280 Ken Boyer - 0.0311 Brooks Robinson - 0.0327 Ron Santo - 0.0354 There are some bad 3B in the HOF, Beltre needs to step up his offense if he wants to be voted in.
(Bob from Seattle)
The Seattle ballpark and his own lack of consistency really hurt him there. (Steven Goldman)
2009-09-29 13:00:00 (link to chat)Rock Raines over Ron Santo?
(Tony from Kalamazoo)
Tough call there... Okay, this time I will look at the stats. I think I still have to go with Raines on career value and having one or two more great seasons, but cripes, Santo should be in already. (Steven Goldman)
2009-08-05 13:00:00 (link to chat)Why are we allowed to cover St Louis games when we have such a clear bias towards the Cardinals? Might as well let Ron Santo do Cubs games...
(Joe Buck & Tim McCarver from FOX)
You know, sometimes you can't win. I'm posting this question mostly because someone just complained that I have a bias towards the Cardinals because I answered a few questions about them. I should dig out some of the e-mails I have received over the years that detail my hatred towards the Cards. Do I hate them or love them, folks? Maybe, just maybe, I call them as I see them with the Cards and everyone else. Except for your team of course. I hate them a lot, and I hope you lose all the time. Yeah, your team! (Marc Normandin)
2009-06-24 13:00:00 (link to chat)What one non-HoF retired player would you most like to have seen play in person? What one current player have you not seen that you would like to see play in person?
(Matt from Chicago)
Hmmm. Ron Santo last played when I was three, and his prime was about five years before that. Of course, he should be in the HOF, you know it, I know it, so perhaps that answer is a bit of a cheat. As far as active cats, I've not yet seen Lincecum pitch in person. (Steven Goldman)
2008-12-05 14:00:00 (link to chat)Ron Santo is going to get in this time, right? I feel for the guy, it actually matters to him. Rickey Henderson, shoo-in. Jim Rice, inevitable. Blyleven? possible. Is anyone else even anywhere near possible?
(Mike from Chicago)
Thank you for writing my entire JAWS series in a few sentences! The other guy who has a shot this yera is Andre Dawson, who polled 65.9 percent last year. Along with Rice and Blyleven, the only player not to get in after passing 50 percent is Hodges, so the odds are strong in favor of an eventual enshrinement. (Jay Jaffe)
2008-09-16 13:00:00 (link to chat)Did you see this recent news: Joe Torre, Ron Santo and Gil Hodges, among others have been added to the Veteran's ballot. Any thoughts? It would be ironly appropriate if Santo got voted in by the Vets.
(Matt from Mt. Albert, ON)
You know, I didn't see it. Torre should go in, certainly for his WS rings, arguably for his playing career, definitely for both when you combine them under the "general wonderfulness" clause that also got people like Red Schoendienst in. Santo is a no-brainer. The arguments for Gil Hodges as a player are kind of weak, unless you want to say that his one title as manager puts him over the "general wonderfulness" line. I don't know that I do. (Steven Goldman)
2008-09-10 13:00:00 (link to chat)I've got a bone to pick with Prospectus over the last few days. It seems like every day someone writes an article about how "this may seem like momentum, but it's not" or "this is just a player getting lucky, it's not a hot streak." While I realize that most people underestimate the amount of luck that goes into baseball, certainly the game is played by people, and people do get into grooves, start feeling good/bad about themselves, etc., etc.. Y'all wrote It Ain't Over 'Til It's Over and now you're going out of your way to remove narratives from baseball. What is the deal?
(James from Boston)
So you're saying that maybe we at BP are on a cold streak, one that's gonna cost us the analytical pennant? There's no panic in this locker room, and my numbers say we'll pull out of it.

Baseball is a game of streaks and slumps, and fans and media tend to attach narratives to them with particular sensitivity to the time of year in which they occur. A slump that wouldn't be thought of as more than a hiccup if it happened in early June is suddenly read as evidence of imminent collapse with an accompanying lack of moral fibre: a choke. The Cubs losing eight of nine in late August/early September prompts everyone to conjure up stories of the black cat in 1969, despite the fact that Leo Durocher is in his grave and the likes of Ron Santo and Fergie Jenkins have nothing to do with this team. The Rays losing six out of seven while the Red Sox win six out of seven is proof that the former is too young to win this thing while the latter just knows how to git-er-done... Yeesh. Might as well turn on the content hose and mail in the next half-dozen columns.

The streaks and slumps that make up a baseball season tend to cloud judgements, as though the most recent week is exponentially more important than the 20 or so which preceeded it. That's just not true unless you're talking about the final days of the season, and for the most part, teams' performances tend to even out. The narratives I tend to enjoy and employ in discussing pennant races do fascinate me, but they're narratives of a whole season or a much longer period than just a lost weekend at this point in time. (Jay Jaffe)
2008-06-03 13:00:00 (link to chat)Not that the Cubs need a new GM, (but hey, none of them last forever) but have you found that your style of broadcasting has rubbed off a little on the Chicago print media to the point that if the Cubs ever hired a sabermetrically inclined (a DePodesta type) GM he might be given a little more leeway from them today than he would have five years ago?
(Dave from NYC)
No, my style has no effect on anyone else in the organization or covering the team. I just do what I do because that's what makes me comfortable. I get into philosophical debates with people at the park every day and I enjoy the back and forth. Many agree with things I throw out there and many think I'm crazy. But that's the fun of it. Again, I like to ask the baseball people lots of questions because the answers and theories are much more interesting to me than what I think about it.

Along those lines, the Cubs front office is a joy to be around. Jim Hendry and his team of assistants, including Randy Bush, Oneri Fleita and Chuck Wasserstrom, have put up with my plethora of questions for years and they always take the time to give me thoughtful answers, which I totally appreciate.

My broadcast partner Bob Brenly has taught me more about the game the last 3 1/2 than I can quantify and Ron Santo and Lou and his coaches are always eager to break down the game with me, which I appreciate so much. (Len Kasper)
2008-01-22 19:00:00 (link to chat)Which team has gotten the most screwed over in the Hall of Fame vote? That is, which team has the most deserving guys who never made it? I think the list begins with the Cubs, who have two third basemen who are probably better than half of the guys currently enshrined at their position.
(Josh from San Jose, IL)
I don't know if this is a team-by-team issue. The two most deserving men who are not in the Hall who should be are, in my opinion, Ron Santo and Bert Blyleven. One is a Cub, the other was many things. They might land themselves a HoFer who doesn't belong, too, in the person of Andre Dawson. Let's not forget that of Tinkers to Evers to Chance, only Chance has a truly legit case for inclusion. That probably balances the Santo slighting on the eternal Cubs ledger. (Jim Baker)


BP Roundtables

DateRoundtable NameComment
2010-07-13 16:30:00All-Star GameIs Rolen going to the Hall? I don't know. As I wrote a few weeks ago, he scores very well according to the JAWS scale, but by the traditional merits he appears to have an uphill battle. He may be the modern day ROn Santo in more ways than one. (Jay Jaffe)
2009-10-16 13:00:00NLCS Game Two/ALCS Game OnePopup city for the Dodgers.

adambennett (MD Backgammon Tourney): Abreu for the HoF? A couple more good seasons should do it, right?

Assuming we're talking about Bobby Abreu and not Tony or Winston, he's further away from the Hall of Fame. I looked at this back in August (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9416). By those numbers, which don't account for 2009, he was about 17 WARP short on career and a couple WARP shy on peak, but the real problem is that he's just past 2,100 hits at age 35, isn't close to 300 homers (256), has just two All-Star appearances and has never finished higher than 14th in the MVP voting. Plus there's the fact that guys who walk 80 or 100 times a year are exactly the ones who get kicked in the head by the voters, who prefer hackers like Jim Rice and Ryne Sandberg to plate disciples like Ron Santo, Tim Raines and Bobby Grich. (Jay Jaffe)