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Career Summary
Years IP W L SV SO ERA WARP
16 2562.7 167 117 1 1715 3.34 40.9
Birth Date4-11-1964
Height6' 1"
Weight160 lbs
BatsR
ThrowsR
WARP Summary

Standard

YEAR TEAM AGE G GS IP IP-SP IP-RP W L SV BS QS BQS PA H R ER HR TB BB UBB HBP SO ERA FIP FRA VORP WARP
1984 KCA 20 38 18 157.7 103.3 54.3 10 11 1 1 9 1 634 138 71 61 13 212 36 32 2 73 3.48 3.62 4.53 8.4 0.9
1985 KCA 21 32 32 235.3 235.3 0.0 20 6 0 0 23 3 931 211 79 75 19 313 38 37 1 158 2.87 2.95 3.89 28.1 3.0
1986 KCA 22 30 25 156.0 146.3 9.7 7 12 0 0 10 1 652 165 77 72 15 247 29 28 2 112 4.15 3.20 4.22 22.6 2.4
1987 KCA 23 33 33 257.0 257.0 0.0 18 10 0 0 19 4 1048 246 99 96 27 390 53 51 6 163 3.36 3.66 4.24 38.3 3.8
1988 KCA 24 35 35 260.7 260.7 0.0 14 16 0 0 21 4 1089 271 122 110 18 403 59 54 4 171 3.80 3.13 3.97 31.3 3.4
1989 KCA 25 36 35 262.3 260.0 2.3 23 6 0 1 30 1 1021 209 74 63 13 305 43 37 2 193 2.16 2.54 3.11 52.6 5.7
1990 KCA 26 20 20 135.0 135.0 0.0 5 9 0 0 14 0 561 146 52 49 9 203 28 27 1 87 3.27 3.03 3.90 18.7 2.0
1991 KCA 27 28 28 196.3 196.3 0.0 13 8 0 0 19 2 789 165 76 67 12 237 45 40 9 136 3.07 3.14 3.63 34.5 3.7
1992 NYN 28 17 15 97.7 93.0 4.7 3 5 0 1 7 0 397 84 39 38 6 124 27 26 4 81 3.50 2.87 3.61 11.3 1.6
1993 NYN 29 19 19 139.3 139.3 0.0 7 7 0 0 12 2 556 131 55 51 11 192 17 13 3 93 3.29 3.10 3.67 22.6 2.7
1994 NYN 30 24 24 177.3 177.3 0.0 14 4 0 0 18 3 696 169 58 54 13 259 13 13 4 143 2.74 2.69 3.64 37.8 4.1
1995 COL 31 9 9 43.0 43.0 0.0 2 1 0 0 2 2 206 60 33 30 8 98 13 12 5 29 6.28 5.39 5.62 5.5 0.6
1995 NYN 31 16 16 110.0 110.0 0.0 5 5 0 0 11 0 452 105 45 41 13 169 20 18 5 71 3.35 3.99 4.19 11.2 1.5
1997 BOS 33 6 6 26.0 26.0 0.0 0 1 0 0 0 0 120 30 20 19 5 57 10 10 2 14 6.58 5.95 6.64 -0.3 -0.1
1998 BOS 34 31 31 175.0 175.0 0.0 15 8 0 0 18 0 725 181 82 77 22 289 29 28 6 100 3.96 4.31 4.83 27.8 2.7
1999 BOS 35 22 22 119.0 119.0 0.0 10 6 0 0 10 0 480 122 43 39 11 191 11 11 2 81 2.95 3.37 4.17 27.6 2.6
2001 BOS 37 3 3 15.0 15.0 0.0 1 2 0 0 1 0 64 19 11 10 3 32 0 0 1 10 6.00 4.56 4.44 2.5 0.3
Career3993712562.72491.771.01671171322423104212452103695221837214714375917153.343.304.01380.740.9

Advanced

'opp' stats - Quality of opponents faced - have been moved and are available only as OPP_QUAL in the Statistics reports now.
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YEAR Team Lg G GS IP FRA FRA+ TAv oppAVG oppOBP oppSLG oppTAv BABIP PPF PVORP PWARP VORP WARP
1984 KCA MLB 38 18 157.7 4.53 92 .238 .264 .325 .403 .268 .245 94 8.4 0.9 8.4 0.9
1985 KCA MLB 32 32 235.3 3.89 110 .230 .261 .328 .409 .270 .269 94 28.1 3.0 28.1 3.0
1986 KCA MLB 30 25 156.0 4.22 107 .255 .263 .330 .410 .268 .304 97 22.6 2.4 22.6 2.4
1987 KCA MLB 33 33 257.0 4.24 113 .237 .267 .333 .429 .266 .274 99 38.3 3.8 38.3 3.8
1988 KCA MLB 35 35 260.7 3.97 111 .258 .263 .325 .392 .268 .302 101 31.3 3.4 31.3 3.4
1989 KCA MLB 36 35 262.3 3.11 127 .214 .261 .325 .384 .266 .255 98 52.6 5.7 52.6 5.7
1990 KCA MLB 20 20 135.0 3.90 111 .252 .257 .323 .386 .261 .314 101 18.7 2.0 18.7 2.0
1991 KCA MLB 28 28 196.3 3.63 118 .227 .260 .326 .395 .265 .261 99 34.5 3.7 34.5 3.7
1992 NYN MLB 17 15 97.7 3.61 102 .242 .249 .311 .356 .251 .280 95 9.8 1.1 11.3 1.6
1993 NYN MLB 19 19 139.3 3.67 116 .232 .265 .326 .396 .258 .278 96 22.6 2.3 22.6 2.7
1994 NYN MLB 24 24 177.3 3.64 121 .218 .266 .325 .402 .251 .298 99 33.6 3.2 37.8 4.1
1995 COL MLB 9 9 43.0 5.62 103 .279 .272 .330 .423 .261 .344 125 6.2 0.6 5.5 0.6
1995 NYN MLB 16 16 110.0 4.19 105 .249 .253 .320 .399 .250 .268 95 11.6 1.1 11.2 1.5
1997 BOS MLB 6 6 26.0 6.64 67 .310 .285 .356 .450 .280 .281 100 -0.2 -0.0 -0.3 -0.1
1998 BOS MLB 31 31 175.0 4.83 106 .245 .272 .338 .433 .267 .280 102 27.2 2.7 27.8 2.7
1999 BOS MLB 22 22 119.0 4.17 119 .235 .274 .342 .440 .263 .296 96 28.1 2.6 27.6 2.6
2001 BOS MLB 3 3 15.0 4.44 103 .280 .269 .339 .442 .269 .320 93 2.5 0.3 2.5 0.3

Statistics For All Levels

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Year Team Lg W L SV G GS IP H BB SO HR GB% BABIP H/9 BB/9 HR/9 K/9 WHIP ERA VORP WARP
1984 KCA MLB 10 11 1 38 18 157.7 138 36 73 13 53% .245 7.9 2.1 0.7 4.2 1.10 3.48 8.4 0.9
1985 KCA MLB 20 6 0 32 32 235.3 211 38 158 19 52% .269 8.1 1.5 0.7 6.0 1.06 2.87 28.1 3.0
1986 KCA MLB 7 12 0 30 25 156.0 165 29 112 15 53% .304 9.5 1.7 0.9 6.5 1.24 4.15 22.6 2.4
1987 KCA MLB 18 10 0 33 33 257.0 246 53 163 27 50% .274 8.6 1.9 0.9 5.7 1.16 3.36 38.3 3.8
1988 KCA MLB 14 16 0 35 35 260.7 271 59 171 18 44% .302 9.4 2.0 0.6 5.9 1.27 3.80 31.3 3.4
1989 KCA MLB 23 6 0 36 35 262.3 209 43 193 13 44% .255 7.2 1.5 0.4 6.6 0.96 2.16 52.6 5.7
1990 KCA MLB 5 9 0 20 20 135.0 146 28 87 9 47% .314 9.7 1.9 0.6 5.8 1.29 3.27 18.7 2.0
1991 KCA MLB 13 8 0 28 28 196.3 165 45 136 12 46% .261 7.6 2.1 0.6 6.2 1.07 3.07 34.5 3.7
1992 NYN MLB 3 5 0 17 15 97.7 84 27 81 6 44% .280 7.7 2.5 0.6 7.5 1.14 3.50 11.3 1.6
1993 NYN MLB 7 7 0 19 19 139.3 131 17 93 11 47% .278 8.5 1.1 0.7 6.0 1.06 3.29 22.6 2.7
1994 NYN MLB 14 4 0 24 24 177.3 169 13 143 13 49% .298 8.6 0.7 0.7 7.3 1.03 2.74 37.8 4.1
1995 NYN MLB 5 5 0 16 16 110.0 105 20 71 13 47% .268 8.6 1.6 1.1 5.8 1.14 3.35 11.2 1.5
1995 COL MLB 2 1 0 9 9 43.0 60 13 29 8 41% .344 12.6 2.7 1.7 6.1 1.70 6.28 5.5 0.6
1997 BOS MLB 0 1 0 6 6 26.0 30 10 14 5 31% .281 10.4 3.5 1.7 4.8 1.54 6.58 -0.3 -0.1
1998 BOS MLB 15 8 0 31 31 175.0 181 29 100 22 38% .280 9.3 1.5 1.1 5.1 1.20 3.96 27.8 2.7
1999 BOS MLB 10 6 0 22 22 119.0 122 11 81 11 38% .296 9.2 0.8 0.8 6.1 1.12 2.95 27.6 2.6
2001 BOS MLB 1 2 0 3 3 15.0 19 0 10 3 31% .320 11.4 0.0 1.8 6.0 1.27 6.00 2.5 0.3

Plate Discipline

YEAR PITCHES ZONE_RT SWING_RT CONTACT_RT Z_SWING_RT O_SWING_RT Z_CONTACT_RT O_CONTACT_RT SW_STRK_RT

Injury History

Date On Date Off Transaction Days Games Side Body Part Injury Severity Surgery Date Reaggravation
2001-08-08 2001-10-07 60-DL 60 49 Right Shoulder Inflammation Rotator Cuff -
2001-03-30 2001-07-27 60-DL 119 101 Right Shoulder Recovery From Surgery Partial Rotator Cuff Tear 1999-11-14
2000-04-04 2000-10-02 60-DL 181 162 Right Shoulder Recovery From Surgery Partial Rotator Cuff Tear 1999-11-14 -
1999-11-14 1999-11-14 Off 0 0 Right Shoulder Surgery Partial Rotator Cuff Tear 1999-11-14 -
1999-08-18 1999-09-12 15-DL 25 23 Right Shoulder Inflammation Frayed Rotator Cuff - -
1999-06-08 1999-06-23 15-DL 15 14 - Foot Laceration Required Sutures - -
1999-05-07 1999-06-01 15-DL 25 23 Right Shoulder Strain - -
1997-03-31 1997-08-22 60-DL 144 128 Right Shoulder Recovery From Surgery Anterior Capsule 1996-05-28 -
1996-04-02 1996-09-30 60-DL 181 162 Right Shoulder Surgery Anterior Capsule 1996-05-28 -
1995-10-25 1995-10-25 Off 0 0 Right Shoulder Surgery Labrum 1995-10-25 -
1993-08-03 1993-10-04 60-DL 62 57 Left Knee Surgery Meniscus 1993-08-09 -
1992-08-02 1992-09-11 15-DL 40 35 Right Fingers Inflammation Tendonitis Index Finger -
1992-05-16 1992-07-19 15-DL 64 55 Right Fingers Inflammation Tendonitis Index Finger - -
1991-06-13 1991-07-13 15-DL 30 26 Right Shoulder Inflammation Rotator Cuff Tendinitis - -
1990-07-16 1990-09-21 15-DL 67 63 Right Elbow Surgery Bone Chips 1990-07-23 -
1986-08-10 1986-09-06 27 25 Right Shoulder Inflammation - -

Compensation

Year Team Salary
2001 BOS $4,500,000
2000 BOS $4,500,000
1999 BOS $3,500,000
1998 BOS $1,600,000
1997 BOS $1,100,000
1996 NYN $5,133,333
1995 NYN $4,883,333
1994 NYN $3,883,333
1993 NYN $3,000,000
1992 NYN $2,950,000
1991 KCA $2,950,000
1990 KCA $1,375,000
1989 KCA $1,250,000
1988 KCA $1,100,000
1987 KCA $740,000
1986 KCA $925,000
1985 KCA $150,000
1984 KCA $40,000
YearsDescriptionSalary
18 yrPrevious$43,579,999
18 yrTotal$43,579,999

 

Service TimeAgentContract Status
Dennis Gilbert

Details
  • 3 years/$12.5M (1999-2001), plus 2002 option. Signed extension with Boston 9/98. 99:$3.5M, 00:$4.5M, 01:$4.5M, 02:$4M club option. 2002 option guaranteed at $5.5 million with 90 starts or 525 innings from 1999-01, or 60 starts or 350 innings in 2000-01. Boston declined 2002 option.
  • 1 year (1997), plus 1998 option. Signed by Boston as a free agent 12/9/96 (minor-league contract). Base salary of $0.5M in majors. $0.6M roster bonus with one day on active roster. 1998 club option at price of 1997 earnings ($1.6M). Performance bonuses based on starts (up to 25) and innings (up to 200) may increase value of contract to $3.5M.
  • 3 years/$15.38M (1994-96), plus 1997 club option. Signed extension with NY Mets 3/93. $2.5M signing bonus. 94:$3.05M, 95:$4.05M, 96:$4.3M, 97:$5M club option. Saberhagen additional $479,656 in deferred salary each year from 1994 to 1996. Acquired by Colorado in trade from NY Mets 7/95. As part of the trade, Saberhagen agreed to defer remaining salary and will receive $250,000 annually from 2004 to 2028. Colorado declined 1997 option 10/96.
  • 3 years/$8.9M (1991-93). Signed extension with Kansas City 11/89. $0.6M signing bonus. 91:$2.75M, 92:$2.75M, 93:$2.8M. Acquired by NY Mets in trade from Kansas City 12/91.
  • 2 years/$2.35M (1988-89), plus 1990 club option. Signed extension with Kansas City 2/9/88 (avoided arbitration, $1.2M-$0.95M). 88:$1.1M, 89:$1.25M, 90:$1.375M club option. May earn additional $50,000 in performance bonuses based on starts and innings. May earn additional $0.15M in award bonuses.
  • 1 year/$0.74M (1987). Renewed by Kansas City 3/87.
  • 1 year/$0.925M (1986). Won arbitration with Kansas City 2/86 ($0.925M-$0.625M).
  • 1 year/$0.15M (1985)
  • 1 year/$40,000 (1984)
  • Drafted by Kansas City 1982 (19-480) (Grover Cleveland HS, Reseda, Calif.).

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BP Articles

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In A Pickle: How Great Thou BartJason Wojciechowski2013-05-17
The Lineup Card: 10 Interesting Excerpts from Scouting ReportsBaseball Prospectus2013-05-15
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The Lineup Card: 11 Comeback Player of the Year Candidates for 2013Baseball Prospectus2013-01-16
This article requires BP Premium accessTransaction Analysis: Dodgers Go Big for GreinkeSam Miller2012-12-10
The Lineup Card: 9 Winter Meetings MemoriesBaseball Prospectus2012-12-05
This article requires BP Premium accessPainting the Black: The Rewritable Alex RiosR.J. Anderson2012-07-16
Baseball ProGUESTus: No No-No, No CryCraig Glaser2012-05-29
Inside The Park Blog: Big 3s: The Complete ListBradford Doolittle2012-05-24
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This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit and Run: Beckett and HydeJay Jaffe2012-05-16
Between The Numbers: The Prorating GameColin Wyers2012-05-04
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BP Unfiltered: Support The Hall of Very GoodMarc Normandin2012-03-20
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The Lineup Card: 9 Memories of Frank ViolaBaseball Prospectus2011-12-14
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The BP Wayback Machine: Every Team Has a Special GM, Except the CubsSteven Goldman2011-10-22
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The BP Wayback Machine: Houston, We Have BeltranJoe Sheehan2011-07-28
Baseball ProGUESTus: Should the Bucs Be Buyers?Rob Neyer2011-07-22
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World Series Prospectus: Fall Classic MemoriesBaseball Prospectus2010-10-27
Spinning Yarn: The Glavine LineMike Fast2010-10-14
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BP Chats

DateQuestionAnswer
2013-04-15 13:00:00 (link to chat)If you could go back and give any player a completely healthy career to see what they could do with their full capabilities, who would you pick? I'm having a tough time deciding between Mickey Mantle and Eric Davis...
(Nick from Los Feliz, CA)
Hey Nick, this is another fun one. I'm tempted to say Bo Jackson because of the tools, but I don't know how complete a ballplayer he would have become even without the injury. A healthy career from Davis boggles the mind. I literally get goosebumps thinking about it. I'll go with Davis. On the pitching side, Sandy Koufax or Bret Saberhagen. (Geoff Young)
2012-01-12 13:00:00 (link to chat)Which pitchers stand out as personal favorites that never panned out like you thought they would?
(PepeShady from St Paul)
Bret Saberhagen. Kevin Appier. I was sure both of them would be Hall of Famers. Though if Jack Morris gets in, I may start pushing their candidacies a little harder. Apparently you never know. They can get back on the ballot, right?

More recently, I had high hopes for Brett Anderson. I guess he may yet fulfill those. Erik Bedard...I sense a theme. I've been a big Gavin Floyd fan for a while, and though he's been good, he's never broken through to great. On a much lower tier, Chad Gaudin. (Mike Fast)
2011-06-20 14:00:00 (link to chat)Kirby Puckett is what I base that on. And Koufax, too, now that you bring him up. Does JAWS account for people being stopped right in their prime? I'm guessing not, perhaps because there are so few. But are there comparables to Kirby and Doc who didn't make it? I suspect there's just such a strong psychological at play there for voters.
(Richie from Washington)
Puckett had two World Series rings and 10 straight All-star appearances. As good as Halladay is, he doesn't have that.

Now, by considering peak and career, JAWS is built to allow for stopped-in-prime comparisons, and yes, Halladay is above the standard on that front (49.1 peak, with the average SP at 47.7). There aren't a lot of voters basing their decisions on JAWS, though - the great majority are still paying heed to more traditional numbers.

The annals are full of fast-starting pitchers who didn't make the Hall along the lines of Gooden. Denny McLain won his second Cy at 25 and didn't get in. Bret Saberhagen has two Cy Youngs and won't get in. Johan Santana probably won't get in barring a miraculous comeback from shoulder woes. (Jay Jaffe)


BP Roundtables

DateRoundtable NameComment
2010-10-06 10:00:002010 Playoffs Day OneI was going to ask a question about super-control pitchers being at a disadvantage against high-quality postseason offenses. Then I remembered that Bret Saberhagen was MVP of the 1985 World Series. (Steven Goldman)