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Career Summary
Years PA AVG OBP SLG TAv WARP
19 9057 .295 .371 .444 .282 66.9
Birth Date4-28-1964
Height6' 0"
Weight185 lbs
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WARP Summary

Standard

YEAR TEAM AGE G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR TB BB SO HBP SF SH RBI SB CS AVG OBP SLG TAv VORP FRAA WARP
1986 CIN 22 41 169 159 27 45 4 3 3 64 9 21 0 1 0 19 8 0 .283 .320 .403 .257 7.9 2.2 1.1
1987 CIN 23 125 488 439 64 107 16 2 12 163 36 52 5 3 5 43 21 6 .244 .306 .371 .240 11.3 5.2 1.6
1988 CIN 24 151 652 588 91 174 32 5 12 252 41 24 8 5 10 56 40 7 .296 .347 .429 .286 49.1 10.0 6.5
1989 CIN 25 97 357 325 47 111 14 4 4 145 20 23 2 8 2 36 10 5 .342 .375 .446 .310 28.6 12.8 4.5
1990 CIN 26 158 681 614 85 185 25 6 7 243 49 49 7 4 7 67 30 5 .301 .358 .396 .270 33.4 15.8 5.3
1991 CIN 27 123 527 464 88 140 27 4 20 235 55 64 3 2 3 69 24 6 .302 .378 .506 .308 51.0 15.3 7.0
1992 CIN 28 140 609 533 76 162 32 6 12 242 63 58 4 7 2 78 15 4 .304 .377 .454 .304 45.9 5.1 5.6
1993 CIN 29 100 440 384 57 121 20 3 8 171 51 33 1 3 1 51 14 1 .315 .394 .445 .296 36.5 0.9 3.8
1994 CIN 30 110 501 427 78 119 23 5 9 179 64 58 0 5 5 52 26 2 .279 .369 .419 .271 37.3 -0.0 3.6
1995 CIN 31 131 567 496 98 158 29 6 15 244 61 49 3 4 3 66 51 5 .319 .394 .492 .302 61.5 -16.4 4.4
1996 CIN 32 152 627 517 117 154 32 4 33 293 96 52 7 7 0 89 36 10 .298 .410 .567 .318 74.5 3.1 7.4
1997 CIN 33 73 276 224 34 71 17 3 4 106 47 24 3 1 1 20 14 3 .317 .440 .473 .313 26.7 4.2 3.0
1998 CIN 34 145 626 538 93 166 34 10 17 271 79 69 2 3 4 72 26 3 .309 .397 .504 .298 53.5 -17.9 3.5
1999 CIN 35 161 687 583 108 171 30 4 12 245 93 57 2 4 5 75 30 8 .293 .390 .420 .273 39.7 -3.6 3.4
2000 CIN 36 102 447 396 71 124 26 5 11 193 48 31 1 0 2 41 14 6 .313 .389 .487 .279 29.5 -6.9 2.1
2001 CIN 37 45 185 156 29 40 12 0 2 58 27 25 2 0 0 17 3 2 .256 .373 .372 .264 11.1 -3.3 0.8
2002 CIN 38 145 567 507 72 124 37 2 7 186 44 57 3 7 6 47 13 4 .245 .305 .367 .231 12.9 -4.1 0.9
2003 CIN 39 70 265 241 39 68 16 1 2 92 22 32 1 0 1 18 2 0 .282 .345 .382 .249 10.7 -0.3 1.0
2004 CIN 40 111 386 346 55 100 15 3 8 145 34 39 1 3 2 44 2 0 .289 .352 .419 .259 17.6 -2.2 1.5
Career2180905779371329234044176198352793981755675996037977.295.371.444.282638.620.166.9

Advanced

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YEAR Team Lg G PA TAv oppAVG oppOBP oppSLG oppTAv BABIP BPF BRAA repLVL POS_ADJ FRAA BRR BVORP BWARP VORP WARP
1985 VER AA 72 288 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .283 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1986 CIN MLB 41 169 .257 .255 .322 .388 .260 .309 104 -0.6 4.7 2 2.2 2.3 7.9 1.1 7.9 1.1
1986 DEN AAA 103 457 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .346 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1987 CIN MLB 125 488 .240 .262 .327 .402 .258 .251 101 -10.6 14.4 6.6 5.2 0.8 11.3 1.6 11.3 1.6
1988 CIN MLB 151 652 .286 .247 .304 .358 .252 .291 102 16.3 17.1 7.8 10.0 6.8 49.1 6.5 49.1 6.5
1989 CIN MLB 97 357 .310 .247 .307 .365 .254 .350 104 17.1 9.3 4.1 12.8 -1.3 28.6 4.5 28.6 4.5
1989 NAS AAA 2 5 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 1.000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1990 CIN MLB 158 681 .270 .260 .319 .387 .261 .317 106 6.6 18.3 8.4 15.8 2.4 33.4 5.3 33.4 5.3
1991 CIN MLB 123 527 .308 .248 .310 .373 .255 .314 106 24.8 14.3 6.5 15.3 3.3 51.0 7.0 51.0 7.0
1992 CIN MLB 140 609 .304 .252 .314 .367 .256 .319 104 25.6 15.8 7.3 5.1 -1.2 45.9 5.6 45.9 5.6
1993 CIN MLB 100 440 .296 .265 .328 .402 .260 .327 101 16.8 12.6 5.8 0.9 3.1 36.5 3.8 36.5 3.8
1994 CIN MLB 110 501 .271 .268 .329 .414 .256 .301 101 6.1 15.2 7 -0.0 5.8 37.3 3.6 37.3 3.6
1995 CIN MLB 131 567 .302 .263 .327 .406 .255 .328 103 26.7 17.0 7.8 -16.4 9.9 61.5 4.4 61.5 4.4
1996 CIN MLB 152 627 .318 .265 .330 .411 .254 .276 102 42.1 19.4 8.9 3.1 4.3 74.5 7.4 74.5 7.4
1997 CIN MLB 73 276 .313 .266 .332 .421 .261 .340 103 16 7.3 3.4 4.2 -1.1 26.7 3.0 26.7 3.0
1998 CIN MLB 145 626 .298 .264 .332 .415 .258 .327 100 26.4 16.2 8.5 -17.9 -0.7 53.5 3.5 53.5 3.5
1999 CIN MLB 161 687 .273 .271 .340 .431 .260 .307 100 10.1 18.7 9.9 -3.6 4.8 39.7 3.4 39.7 3.4
2000 CIN MLB 102 447 .279 .274 .345 .445 .264 .319 103 10.3 12.3 6.3 -6.9 1.6 29.5 2.1 29.5 2.1
2001 CIN MLB 45 185 .264 .267 .332 .436 .261 .295 104 0.7 5.0 2.5 -3.3 1.9 11.1 0.8 11.1 0.8
2002 CIN MLB 145 567 .231 .257 .327 .409 .258 .260 104 -17.8 14.4 7.4 -4.1 3.6 12.9 0.9 12.9 0.9
2003 CIN MLB 70 265 .249 .254 .324 .408 .254 .319 102 -3.2 7.0 3.5 -0.3 0.4 10.7 1.0 10.7 1.0
2004 CIN MLB 111 386 .259 .256 .324 .413 .257 .305 95 -0.4 11.5 4.9 -2.2 1.1 17.6 1.5 17.6 1.5

Statistics For All Levels

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Year Team Lg PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG ISO TAv VORP FRAA WARP
1985 VER AA 288 42 68 13 2 1 31 23 21 12 1 .267 .330 .345 .078 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1986 CIN MLB 169 27 45 4 3 3 19 9 21 8 0 .283 .320 .403 .119 .257 7.9 2.2 1.1
1986 DEN AAA 457 67 136 31 10 10 51 31 43 19 6 .329 .376 .525 .196 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1987 CIN MLB 488 64 107 16 2 12 43 36 52 21 6 .244 .306 .371 .128 .240 11.3 5.2 1.6
1988 CIN MLB 652 91 174 32 5 12 56 41 24 40 7 .296 .347 .429 .133 .286 49.1 10.0 6.5
1989 CIN MLB 357 47 111 14 4 4 36 20 23 10 5 .342 .375 .446 .105 .310 28.6 12.8 4.5
1989 NAS AAA 5 2 5 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.000 1.000 1.200 .200 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1990 CIN MLB 681 85 185 25 6 7 67 49 49 30 5 .301 .358 .396 .094 .270 33.4 15.8 5.3
1991 CIN MLB 527 88 140 27 4 20 69 55 64 24 6 .302 .378 .506 .205 .308 51.0 15.3 7.0
1992 CIN MLB 609 76 162 32 6 12 78 63 58 15 4 .304 .377 .454 .150 .304 45.9 5.1 5.6
1993 CIN MLB 440 57 121 20 3 8 51 51 33 14 1 .315 .394 .445 .130 .296 36.5 0.9 3.8
1994 CIN MLB 501 78 119 23 5 9 52 64 58 26 2 .279 .369 .419 .141 .271 37.3 -0.0 3.6
1995 CIN MLB 567 98 158 29 6 15 66 61 49 51 5 .319 .394 .492 .173 .302 61.5 -16.4 4.4
1996 CIN MLB 627 117 154 32 4 33 89 96 52 36 10 .298 .410 .567 .269 .318 74.5 3.1 7.4
1997 CIN MLB 276 34 71 17 3 4 20 47 24 14 3 .317 .440 .473 .156 .313 26.7 4.2 3.0
1998 CIN MLB 626 93 166 34 10 17 72 79 69 26 3 .309 .397 .504 .195 .298 53.5 -17.9 3.5
1999 CIN MLB 687 108 171 30 4 12 75 93 57 30 8 .293 .390 .420 .127 .273 39.7 -3.6 3.4
2000 CIN MLB 447 71 124 26 5 11 41 48 31 14 6 .313 .389 .487 .174 .279 29.5 -6.9 2.1
2001 CIN MLB 185 29 40 12 0 2 17 27 25 3 2 .256 .373 .372 .115 .264 11.1 -3.3 0.8
2002 CIN MLB 567 72 124 37 2 7 47 44 57 13 4 .245 .305 .367 .122 .231 12.9 -4.1 0.9
2003 CIN MLB 265 39 68 16 1 2 18 22 32 2 0 .282 .345 .382 .100 .249 10.7 -0.3 1.0
2004 CIN MLB 386 55 100 15 3 8 44 34 39 2 0 .289 .352 .419 .130 .259 17.6 -2.2 1.5

Plate Discipline

YEAR PITCHES ZONE_RT SWING_RT CONTACT_RT Z_SWING_RT O_SWING_RT Z_CONTACT_RT O_CONTACT_RT SW_STRK_RT

Injury History

Date On Date Off Transaction Days Games Side Body Part Injury Severity Surgery Date Reaggravation
2003-08-23 2003-09-29 15-DL 37 35 Left Fingers Sprain Ring Finger -
2003-05-22 2003-06-13 15-DL 22 19 Right Lower Leg Strain Calf -
2003-04-11 2003-05-06 15-DL 25 23 Left Lower Leg Strain Calf -
2001-06-29 2001-10-08 15-DL 101 85 Right Surgery Sports Hernia 2001-08-24 -
2001-05-17 2001-06-14 15-DL 28 24 Right Groin Strain - -
2000-08-28 2000-10-02 DTD 35 33 Left Fingers Fracture Middle Finger - -
2000-07-26 2000-07-26 DTD 0 0 Right Fingers Dislocation Little Finger - -
2000-04-22 2000-05-15 15-DL 23 20 - Hand Soreness - -
1998-03-24 1998-04-07 15-DL 14 6 - Neck Recovery From Surgery Herniated Disc 1998-03-13 -
1998-03-13 1998-03-24 Camp 11 0 - Neck Surgery Herniated Disc 1998-03-13 -
1997-09-01 1997-09-29 60-DL 28 28 Left Lower Leg Surgery Frayed Achilles 1997-09-03 -
1997-06-17 1997-08-01 15-DL 45 38 Left Lower Leg Strain Calf - -
1993-08-05 1993-10-04 15-DL 60 52 Left Thumb Sprain - -
1989-07-10 1989-09-01 15-DL 53 46 Right Elbow Sprain Partial Ulnar Collateral Ligament Tear - -
1987-04-13 1987-05-02 15-DL 19 18 Right Elbow Hyperextension - -

Compensation

Year Team Salary
2004 CIN $700,000
2003 CIN $9,000,000
2002 CIN $9,000,000
2001 CIN $9,000,000
2000 CIN $5,300,000
YearsDescriptionSalary
5 yrPrevious$33,000,000
5 yrTotal$33,000,000

 

Service TimeAgentContract Status
18 y 54 dEric Goldschmidt1 year/$0.7M (2004)

Details
  • 1 year/$0.7M (2004). Re-signed by Cincinnati 9/03. $0.3M in performance bonuses. Retired 2/05.
  • 3 years/$27M (2001-03). 01:$9M, 02:$9M, 03:$9M. (About 1/3 of salary deferred, with payments beginning in 2005).
  • 3 years/$16.5M (1997-99), plus 2000 club option. Signed extension with Cincinnati 1/2/96. 97:$5.3M, 98:$5.3M, 99:$5.3M, 00:$5.3M club option, $0.6M buyout. 2000 option guaranteed with 525 plate appearances in any one season from 1997 to 1999. (Vested 1998.)
  • 5 years/$25.6M (1992-96). Signed extension with Cincinnati 1/19/92 (avoided arbitration, $4.2M-$3M). $1.5M signing bonus. 92:$4M, 93:$5.4M, 94:$4M, 95:$5.4M, 96:$5.3M.
  • 1 year/$2.1M (1991). Re-signed by Cincinnati 2/7/91 (avoided arbitration, $2.425M-$1.5M).
  • 1 year/$0.75M (1990).
  • 1 year/$0.3025M (1989).
  • 1 year/$0.1275M (1988).
  • 1 year/$77,500 (1987).
  • 1 year/$60,000 (1986).
  • Drafted by Cincinnati 1985 (1-4) (Michigan). $0.165M signing bonus. Drafted by Cincinnati 1982 (2-51) (Moeller HS, Cincinnati) (turned down $50,000 bonus and did not sign).

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DateQuestionAnswer
2014-07-08 13:00:00 (link to chat)Beane compared Addison Russell to Barry Larkin. Is that all realistic?
(Larry from IL)
it's a risky business comparing prospects to Hall of Fame players, but I can see the similarities and why Beane would throw such a comp out there. (Mark Anderson)
2012-06-21 13:00:00 (link to chat)I'm trying to find a comparison to Jurickson Profar's performance at his age in Double A. Anyone come to mind?
(WesleyTilson from Memphis)
Don't try. Profar is an elite prospect, with all five-tools and a very mature approach to the game. I've heard all sorts of comps, including Barry Larkin, but when you have a player of this level, their own ability and performance removes a lot of the necessity for comps. Profar is Profar. Other players are compared to him. (Jason Parks)
2012-01-09 13:00:00 (link to chat)I certainly hope Barry Larkin gets in today, but wouldn't it be eerie if Ron Santo is the only player to get in? One inductee, and a silent podium. +1/2St.
(HalfStreet from Fairfax VA)
Well, somebody - his widow, one of his sons, or a teammate, will be speaking on Santo's behalf, I believe, and maybe two people, so it's not going to be totally silent. But it's not going to help attendance any if Larkin doesn't get in, that's for sure. (Jay Jaffe's Hall of Fame Special)
2012-01-09 13:00:00 (link to chat)It is nice here.
(Envious Mustache from Elysian Fields)
And the winner is... Barry Larkin with 86.4 percent of the vote, the only player elected this year as expected. Some big surprises, good and bad, among the next wave. Jack Morris at 66.7 percent has put himself in good position to get over the top despite the crowd, Jeff Bagwell at 56.0 percent made a solid advance in the face of an odious whisper campaign, Lee Smith got to 50.6 percent, Tim Raines is very close to that mark at 48.7 percent, and even Alan Trammell posted a solid gain at 36.8 percent. Hell, Bernie Williams got 9.6 percent and stays on the ballot after all. (Jay Jaffe's Hall of Fame Special)
2010-06-07 18:30:00 (link to chat)Will the 2005 draft ever be topped??? It was topped before it ever happened, in 1985. I just wrote this for tomorrow morning's draft piece: . The first round included, in order of selection, B.J. Surhoff, Will Clark, Bobby Witt, Barry Larkin, Barry Bonds, Pete Incaviglia, Walt Weiss, Brian McRae, Joe Magrane, Gregg Jeffries, Rafael Palmeiro, and Joey Cora, as well as Cameron Drew, who put up outstanding numbers in the minors until a knee injury ended his career at 24, while the second round held Bruce Ruffin, Mike Schooler, and Randy Johnson (John Smoltz was hiding down in round 22). And Bo Jackson too (a flyer in rd 20)!
(PBSteve from Beautiful New Jersey)
See? Steven Goldman knows all. (Kevin Goldstein)
2010-01-06 13:00:00 (link to chat)Surprised at the vote?
(Tim from Tampa)
Surprised but not terribly so. My conclusion to today's piece:

So with the business of the pitchers concluded, we add Bert Blyleven to the ranks of Roberto Alomar, Barry Larkin, Edgar Martinez, Mark McGwire, Tim Raines, and Alan Trammell on the JAWS 2010 ballot. With the voting results scheduled be announced later today (Wednesday), I wouldn't be at all surprised if that slate draws a blank while Andre Dawson gets in, though I do think Alomar has a decent shot (early returns suggest reasons for optimism) and Blyleven may be nearing the tipping point. (Jay Jaffe)
2010-01-06 13:00:00 (link to chat)I'd call this good news for Bert. I was worried he'd stagnate around 62%. do you have the % of the vote for Edgar, Raines and Barry? They don't have it on espn.com. Thanks.
(collins from greenville nc)
539 ballots, five blanks, Andre Dawson 420 (77.9%), Bert Blyleven 400 (74.2%), Roberto Alomar 397 (73.7%), Jack Morris 282 (52.3%), Barry Larkin 278 (51.6%), Lee Smith 255 (47.3%), Edgar Martinez 195 (36.2%), Tim Raines 164 (30.4%), Mark McGwire 128 (23.7%), Alan Trammell 121 (22.4%), Fred McGriff 116 (21.5%), Don Mattingly 87 (16.1%), Dave Parker 82 (15.2%), Dale Murphy 63 (11.7%), Harold Baines 33 (6.1%), Andres Galarraga 22 (4.1%), Robin Ventura 7 (1.3%), Ellis Burks 2 (0.4%), Eric Karros 2 (0.4%), Kevin Appier 1 (0.2%), Pat Hentgen 1 (0.2%), David Segui 1 (0.2%), Mike Jackson 0, Ray Lankford 0, Shane Reynolds 0, Todd Zeile 0.

Segui gets his vote. Baines remains on life support thanks to the persistence of a stubborn few. Karros receives more votes than he had All-Star appearances. (Jay Jaffe)
2009-12-17 13:00:00 (link to chat)Alan Trammel or Barry Larkin? Who gets in first?
(SC from Minneapolis)
Given the dead end support Trammell seems to have run into, I'd guess Larkin gets in first, but that's hardly a lock, and it really wouldn't surprise me to see him suffer a similarly unwarranted fate. (Jay Jaffe)
2009-12-01 13:00:00 (link to chat)A softball to get you started: Who would be on your Hall of Fame ballot this year?
(Bill from New Mexico)
Holdovers: Tim Raines, Bert Blyleven and Mark McGwire. For newbies, Barry Larkin and maybe Robbie Alomar, though I'm iffy enough on that one that I don't even remember if I'm for or against him at present. Just as a "I liked this guy, and I want to vote for him" kind of deal, and not because I think they should get in, I would toss a vote to Robin Ventura and Ellis Burks.

The good news is that Ray Lankford is finally on the ballot, so if he doesn't get 5% of the vote I can see if I can get him to write a foreword for "The Ray Lankford Wing of the Hall of Fame: Book Edition" without him feeling snubbed someday. (Marc Normandin)
2009-09-07 13:00:00 (link to chat)Hi Christina...Love your work, it always brightens my day. Quick question on my beloved Reds. The Reds haven't had a legit SS since Barry Larkin retired and they have no real prospects lined up at the position (particularly with Chris Valaika struggling mightily in AAA). What do the Reds do for 2010 if they can't bring in a FA or trade acquisition? Could they move Brandon Phillips back to SS or is he too valuable at this point at 2b? It just seems like the franchise has a number of guys who would be better fits at 2b. Would love to hear your thoughts.
(JoshC77 from Columbus)
Hi Josh, thank you for the kind words. I've been suggesting Phillips as their best-possible answer at short for a couple of seasons now, especially given that they play in a bandbox and can't really afford to wind up with some slick-fielding offensive non-entity when they're already shy of star players in the lineup. An infield with Votto and Rolen at the corners, Phillips at short, and Todd Frazier at second might not be enough to carry that outfield, but it's a start in the right direction. (Christina Kahrl)
2009-06-24 13:00:00 (link to chat)Well, just in case my question disappeared last time, I was wondering what you thought of Barry Larkin's HOF chances. The guy doesn't seem to get enough credit for his fantastic career.
(Mike from Queens)
I think it was Bill James who said that the only thing Larkin couldn't do was stay healthy. Even with that caveat, he was still a tremendous player and easily one of the best all-around shortstops of all time. If anything makes me nervous about his chances, it's that his numbers are broadly similar to Alan Trammell's, and the voters have missed badly on him. That said, his numbers are a little better and a little flashier due to playing a bit later. He'll also gain in luster as long as he's not connected with PEDs and all the A-1 candidates are (fairly or not). In short, he'll be going. Maybe he'll wait a bit, but he should be in there. That is, he should be and he will be. (Steven Goldman)
2009-02-16 14:00:00 (link to chat)Which current MLB player would you compare Tim Beckham to? Do you think he's a "high risk, high reward" type of prospect?
(Philosopher from Chicago)
Perfect world projection? Barry Larkin. (Kevin Goldstein)
2008-01-10 13:00:00 (link to chat)Future overrated in HOF vote: Omar Vizquel?
(ElAngelo from White Plains NY)
He's a better Dave Concepcion. Vizquel versus Trammell might be an interesting discussion.

One of the problems with evaluating shortstops for the Hall is agreeing on measurements of defensive performance.

Oh, and the guy I think is going to get hosed is Barry Larkin. (Joe Sheehan)
2008-01-08 14:00:00 (link to chat)who do you see as the next candidate undeservedly snubbed by the bbwaa for not understanding their value on the field? also: how long do you think the Mcgwire punishment vote lasts? thanks for answering my last question
(lexomatic from busybeeland)
Looking at the upcoming eligibles, I see trouble ahead for Roberto Alomar (105.0 JAWS, where the 2B benchmark is at 101.7) and Barry Larkin (96.7, where the SS benchmark is at 96.6). They're on the ballot in two years, as is Edgar Martinez (85.5, where the HOF hitter benchmark is 93.2 - i.e., his case will be easier to understand).

As for the punishment vote, it may last his entire 20 years on the ballot. The BBWAA voters aren't exactly known to forget a grudge, and let's not forget the energy many of them expended building McGwire a rather large pedestal. Mike Lupica, please pick up the white paging phone... (Jay Jaffe)


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