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Birth Date11-5-1991
Height6' 4"
Weight235 lbs
Age23 years, 1 months, 23 days
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WARP Summary

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YEAR TEAM AGE G GS IP IP-SP IP-RP W L SV BS QS BQS PA H R ER HR TB BB UBB HBP SO ERA FIP FRA VORP WARP

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YEAR Team Lg G GS IP FRA FRA+ TAv oppAVG oppOBP oppSLG oppTAv BABIP PPF PVORP PWARP VORP WARP
2013 MOD A+ 5 5 24.0 2.42 147 .137 .273 .354 .432 .284 .227 93 8.9 0.9 8.9 0.9
2013 GJR Rk 4 4 13.3 3.14 143 .258 .266 .342 .402 .276 .385 105 6.1 0.6 6.1 0.6
2014 TUL AA 24 24 124.3 4.42 98 .241 .250 .316 .365 .251 .285 100 10.0 1.1 8.7 0.7

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Year Team Lg W L SV G GS IP H BB SO HR GB% BABIP H/9 BB/9 HR/9 K/9 WHIP ERA VORP WARP
2013 GJR Rk 0 0 0 4 4 13.3 15 2 15 0 38% .385 10.1 1.4 0.0 10.1 1.27 4.05 6.1 0.6
2013 MOD A+ 4 0 0 5 5 24.0 10 6 36 0 50% .227 3.8 2.2 0.0 13.5 0.67 0.75 8.9 0.9
2014 TUL AA 10 5 0 24 24 124.3 107 41 113 10 40% .285 7.7 3.0 0.7 8.2 1.19 3.91 8.7 0.7

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Injury History

Date On Date Off Transaction Days Games Side Body Part Injury Severity Surgery Date Reaggravation
2014-08-21 - Minors - - - General Medical Fatigue -

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DateQuestionAnswer
2014-10-09 15:00:00 (link to chat)what should my expectations be next year for rockies SP Jonathan Gray and Eddie Butler?
(nbraun from DC)
Hopefully the Rockies let them go out of the gate. Both pitchers are immensely talented and have impact-type stuff. Gray moreso than Butler, as I think he can be a TOTR guy in fairly short order. Butler's stuff has regressed a bit, but I really like the profile, and assuming they are asked to miss bats, each has the chance to be a rotation stalwart. (Jordan Gorosh)
2014-07-24 19:00:00 (link to chat)I know Jonathan Gray is a monster with 2 + pitches, but what grade would his change need to be considered to have ace stuff? What is it currently?
(Tim Couch from Cleveland)
It'd have to be elite, and it's average/fringe average right now from what I've heard. It's ok, the Rockies have him working on stuff it sounds like. I think he's going to be just fine. (Mauricio Rubio)
2014-07-03 19:00:00 (link to chat)Just traded the hype machine Mookie Betts in my 24 team dynasty league for Jonathan Gray, you like?
(bigwhitesled from Seattle)
I like that. All respect to Mookie but I think Gray returns more value. (Mauricio Rubio)
2014-04-09 19:00:00 (link to chat)Hi Mauricio, Two weeks in and already not looking good. How would you rank the following SP adds for a dynasty league: Bradley, J. Gray, Stephenson, Bundy, Giolito, Gausman, Sanchez and Urias?
(Cal Guy from Cal)
Giolito Gray - Bradley - Gausman Stephenson Urias Bundy

Im signing up for the Jonathan Gray newsletter with Ben. (Mauricio Rubio)
2014-03-21 14:00:00 (link to chat)This is the second chat of yours in a row where I have sensed that your personal opinion of Jonathan Gray is lower than the scouting community's. Is this true, and would you elaborate, if so?
(Tremaine from City )
Well, I've only had two chats! My personal opinion may reflect that because I'm cautious in having strong opinions on players I haven't seen (or talked to people in the game about), even if that opinion is the consensus. (Ronit Shah)
2014-02-26 19:00:00 (link to chat)Really appreciate the chat! Who are some guys you would target after the first 15 or so picks in a rookie draft(that includes international players). I have picks 17 and 18. Would you try to package them together to move up a bit? Thanks
(Mill from Lodi)
Assuming you mean rookie draft as in new signees to an established dynasty league I think outside of the top 6 guys:

Kris Bryant, Jose Abreu, Masahiro Tanaka, Clint Frazier, Jonathan Gray, Mark Appel

it gets really clogged in the middle. I would trade the lower picks to get into the top 6 because you're talking about guys like Colin Moran and Austin Meadows down there. It's ok, but not ideal. (Mauricio Rubio)
2014-02-26 19:00:00 (link to chat)How much does Jonathan Gray's parent club affect your MLB expectations for him? Can he be a fantasy ace in Colorado?
(Gotribe31 from DC)
Not too much, actually. I believe in the profile. I think he's going to be a frontline starter. (Mauricio Rubio)
2014-02-20 13:00:00 (link to chat)I had a chance to trade Salazar for the no. 4 pick in the draft (where I would have taken Jonathan Gray assuming he was available). I chose to hang onto Salazar. Will I regret this?
(Mike from Boston)
Nah. Both have crazy upside, stick with the guy already doing it. (Paul Sporer)
2014-02-28 14:00:00 (link to chat)Who are some minor league arms with fastballs too good to ignore...like Robert Stephenson?
(Chris from Baltimore)
Jonathan Gray, Yordano Ventura, Lucas Giolito, Noah Syndergaard, Alex Meyer ... I am big on Kyle Zimmer's fastball, which only loses deception when he ratchets down the momentum in his delivery, resulting in lesser depth at release point and poor command. It's an 8 when he lines up the gears. (Doug Thorburn)
2014-02-11 13:00:00 (link to chat)Is there any prospect who probably won't be on an Opening Day roster, that you would target in a draft for a non-keeper league. I had Trout in 2012 and Puig last year, and I'm looking for someone to stash that could make an impact this year at some point. Thanks
(Brian from CT)
Jonathan Gray. Springer. Kris Bryant. (Sam Miller)
2014-02-10 13:00:00 (link to chat)Dynasty league 5th pick overall in a vacuum: Kris Bryant, Jose Abreu, Jonathan Gray, Mark Appel. Please rank since 1 or more might go before me. Thanks!
(uvasuperman from Atlanta)
Bryant, Gray, Appel, Abreu. I hate fantasy pitchers from Colorado and first baseman. (Jeff Moore)
2014-01-21 18:00:00 (link to chat)At the 1-3 pick in my dynasty draft, Buxton and one of A. Bradley and Tanaka are off he board. I'm looking at Baez, Giolito, Bryant, Correa, and J. Gray. Who do you take? Why? How would you rank them? (Reference: I pick 1-3, and 1-6 due to trades; one of the picks in between mine would be Abreu and one of Baez/Correa (in that order)). Thanks!
(AJ from Phoenix)
Hi AJ.

The order might be different from a pure prospect perspective, but I'd go Javier Baez, Carlos Correa, Kris Bryant, Jonathan Gray, and Lucas Giolito. While Correa could wind up being a better baseball player than Baez, Baez's power tool is ridiculous and from a purely offensive standpoint (read fantasy) he has the higher ceiling. Correa's pretty damn good too, though, and I anticipate a power spike this year in the minors. His raw numbers don't look great, but he was an 18-year-old at Quad Cities. I'm impressed. Bryant's great too, but you're asking me to rank him against two amazing prospects. Gray and Giolito go behind the hitters just because I have a bias toward hitters when it comes to prospects in fantasy. I'll go Gray because Giolito had the TJ. He should be fine, and it's entirely possible that I'll flip these two if someone on BP's great scouting team comes back with a positive review on him in spring training. (Mike Gianella)
2014-01-21 18:00:00 (link to chat)Appel or gray?
(andy from frozen tundra )
Jonathan Gray over Mark Appel, though it's really close and if you went the other way I wouldn't blame you. (Mike Gianella)
2014-01-17 10:00:00 (link to chat)Lightning round question: Marcus Stroman or Jonathan Gray?
(summerdays from Boston)
Gray (Jason Parks)
2014-01-14 13:00:00 (link to chat)Sorry, Paul, for my previous question, I meant to ask Jonathan Gray (not Sonny) vs. Kris Bryant.
(Dennis from LA)
Bryant! Not just bc he's the safer hitter, but just has a much higher fantasy ceiling. (Paul Sporer)
2014-01-14 13:00:00 (link to chat)In a fantasy league where you control players until they accrue 6 years of service time, would you draft Sonny Gray or Kris Bryant? Just safer to go with the hitter?
(Dennis from LA)
Just clearing this out of the queue, but the answer is directly above with Dennis's correction to Jonathan Gray. (Paul Sporer)
2014-01-06 13:00:00 (link to chat)Jonathan Gray or Lucas Giolito - who has the better career?
(Sagar from Chicago)
Giolito. (Jeff Moore)
2014-01-10 13:00:00 (link to chat)I have 3 top picks in the 1st round of my upcoming draft. In a vaccum, which 3 would you take for a 18 keeper league and in which order? Tanaka, Lucas Giolito, Clint Frazier, Jonathan Gray, Jose Abreu, Rougund Odor, Rymer Lirano, or Mark Appel?
(vegetto712 from Florida)
From a prospect perspective, your top three there are Giolito, Gray and Appel. (Mark Anderson)
2014-01-02 13:00:00 (link to chat)With my first round pick in our prospect draft, I'm eying a pitcher. Archie Bradley, Masahiro Tanaka, Jonathan Gray, Mark Appel, Noah Syndergaard, Lucas Giolito, and Robert Stephenson are all still on the board. Which 2 or 3 are on your shortlist, and who do you pick & why? Thanks for the chat!
(Sara from Tacoma)
Oh man that's fun agonizing at the same time. Bradley/Giolito are my top two. Tanaka is probably my third because he'll pitch in the majors so soon. It depends on your team's timetable. If you're contending sooner, Bradley. If you can wait (because of depth or because you're bad) go with Giolito. (Craig Goldstein)
2014-01-02 13:00:00 (link to chat)Jonathan Gray is the next ______ and will debut _____?
(OG Mudbone from BangBus)
Your location is of great concern to me. (Craig Goldstein)
2013-12-10 18:00:00 (link to chat)Between Archie Bradley, Noah Syndergaard, and Jonathan Gray, how would you rank their ceilings/fantasy upside? ETAs? Bonus: For how long will we have to deal with 50 shades puns based on Gray's name (Sonny's as well... who also gets the "It's always sunny" puns).
(Jonah from Redwood)
Hi Jonah:

I would probably rank them in the order that you have them ranked, with Bradley and Syndergaard very close and Gray a little bit behind. Both Bradley and Syndergaard have ace potential, with Bradley a tick more likely to be that ace with Synergaard falling in as a #2. Gray looks more like a #2 to me, which certainly isn't shabby; I just don't see him as that #1 stud.

The puns are up to the masses. I didn't even think of the 50 shades of Gray thing, and as far as Sonny Gray goes I didn't see the It's Always Sunny comparison either. If anything saves us here from the puns, it's that the A's aren't high profile. (Mike Gianella)
2013-12-03 13:00:00 (link to chat)Archie Bradley or Jonathan Gray, and why?
(Jonah from Redwood)
For fantasy purposes? Gray will be in the majors sooner, albeit in a worse park for pitchers. Can't go wrong either way. (R.J. Anderson)
2013-12-17 13:00:00 (link to chat)Would you still take Jonathan Gray over Appel?
(Adam from TX)
Yes. I'd give Gray the ceiling and Appel the floor. (Jason Parks)
2013-12-20 14:00:00 (link to chat)In a dynasty draft, trying to decide who to take with my pick. Provided both are still there, how would you compare/contrast Archie Bradley and Jonathan Gray? Ceilings, mechanics, floor, arsenal, risk, etc? Who would you want, why?
(Francois from Toronto)
Bradley and Gray make for a very interesting comparison. They both have plus-plus fastballs and excellent breaking pitches, while the change-up is still a work in progress for both pitchers. They both carry the rare combination of great posture paired with a high arm slot due to naturally-elevated levels of shoulder abduction, traits that make coaches and scouts happy. Bradley has had some issues with controlling the strike zone, but such is to be expected from high school arms. Gray might be behind on the minor league ladder yet ahead on the development curve due to his college pedigree and having been recently drafted. This is a really tough call, and they might reach the majors around the same time. Give me Bradley for now, since he is more of a known commodity at the pro level, but I could change my mind within the next 6 months. (Doug Thorburn)
2013-12-20 14:00:00 (link to chat)Thanks for the chat, Doug. I find your pitching insights very interesting. I feel a little guilty that all I can do is ask selfish fantasy questions, but which do you see reaching their potential: Mark Appel, Jonathan Gray, or perhaps Julio Urias?
(Mr. Beef from Chicago)
No guilt necessary, Mr. Beef - I'm a huge fan of the fantasy game.

Your question is a good one, as these are three VERY different pitchers. Appel is most likely to reach his potential, because he is almost there already. He has a very high floor, but I feel that his ceiling is limited (he lives in a small room). I think that Gray has the most upside of the group, and he doesn't have too big of a hill to climb in order to get there. Urias might have the greatest potential in theory, given his age and right-now stuff (and left-handedness), but he also has the longest distance to go before reaching ceiling, and I think that he will need some refinement of his breaking ball in order to approach Gray's ultimate potential. But Urias' change-up is sick.

Oh, and how many times in one chat can I make a reference to climbing mountains and hills in order to reach a ceiling? I need to come up with some new phrases, or perhaps find an indoor mountain to climb.

On the jukebox: Rage Against the Machine, "Know Your Enemy" (Doug Thorburn)
2013-11-19 13:00:00 (link to chat)How concerned are you about Jonathan Gray and Eddie Butler pitching in Coors? Both have power stuff, and Butler's change should negate a lot of the platoon advantage, but I'm still worried about any pitcher in that park. Do either look like top-20 fantasy SP given the park they'll pitch in?
(TommyC from Illinois)
Mildly concerned. It's going to be a challenge for sure, but both guys are talented enough to overcome it. In reality, it's extremely difficult for a pitcher in Coors (barring another humidor change) to be a top-20 pitcher for fantasy purposes. (Bret Sayre)
2013-11-19 13:00:00 (link to chat)I've got a minor league draft for a keeper league coming up, and I know I'll be choosing between Jonathan Gray, Kohl Stewart, Eddie Butler, Garin Cecchini, Clint Frazier, Tyler Glasnow. My team is in a win over the next 2-3 years type mode, which of the 6 do you prefer, or if it is close between a few guys, why? Thanks!
(TommyC from Illinois)
Frazier. Love me some Clint Frazier. (Bret Sayre)
2013-11-14 13:00:00 (link to chat)Per the mid-season Top 50, the top 10 Starting Pitching propects in baseball (that are still prospect eligible) were: Archie Bradley, Kevin Gausman, Taijuan Walker, Jameson Taillon, Dylan Bundy, Mark Appel, Robert Stephenson, Carlos Martinez, Noah Syndergaard, and Aaron Sanchez. What would an updated list look like? I assume Jonathan Gray would be somewhere in the middle of the pack, no?
(Jonah from Redwood)
I think there are some slight differences that you'd see here. Globally speaking, I think everyone recognizes that Noah Syndergaard has vaulted himself higher up a list of this nature. Speaking personally, I have always been on the lower end with my Dylan Bundy projections and I would push him down the list some. Gray would be in the mix toward the back of this pack for me, and that's not a slight against him, I just don't believe he is quite on par with some of the other names in this group. (Mark Anderson)
2013-11-14 13:00:00 (link to chat)A realistic ceiling and MLB eta for Jonathan Gray would be ________?
(Mitch from Boulder)
I think you're looking at a 2015 ETA, but I wouldn't rule out him arriving for a taste late next year. With respect to ceiling, if it all comes together, I think he's a really good #2. (Mark Anderson)
2013-11-14 13:00:00 (link to chat)Can you compare and contrast Gausman, Zimmer, and Gray?
(Paul from Baltimore)
A true compare/contrast of those three would require some pretty extensive prose. That said, I think Gausman and Gray are on a different level in this conversation. Zimmer is a good pitcher, but he comes up decidedly behind those two for me. I'm partial to Gausman and have been slow to board the Jonathan Gray train, so I always give the slight edge to Gausman in these type of comparisons. (Mark Anderson)
2013-10-17 13:00:00 (link to chat)Have you had a chance to watch Jonathan Gray? Any preliminary thoughts, or whispers from other scouts?
(Levi from Kansas)
luckily his short season club is in the MiLB.tv package, so I saw a few games. I can see why the opinions on the guy range from Ace to Reliever. Amazing power, big body, a little bit of clean-up to do in his delivery ... my stance is watch him for another year, see if he remains healthy and if he can get guys out in the higher levels of the minors. (Harry Pavlidis)
2013-07-08 14:00:00 (link to chat)Re: Jonathan Gray. How does what you say about liking his mechanics mesh with what other scouts said about his "stiff front leg" perhaps relegating him to the bullpen? Are you just looking for different things?
(Seth from SF)
It is all about how we judge specific elements such as that stiff landing leg, as well as looking at and emphasizing different aspects. I do prefer to see more flex in the front knee from foot strike into release point, rather than a stiff front leg, but it is not nearly such a big issue as to relegate him to the bullpen. Justin Verlander has always had a very stiff landing leg, yet he seems to do just fine in the starting rotation. (Doug Thorburn)
2013-06-25 13:00:00 (link to chat)When reading on Jonathan Gray, I was struck by the phrase: "[L]ow starting point on list because of questions about future role." I have only ever heard of him being a starter, and one with frontline potential at that. Were you suggesting he has a future role in the bullpen, or did I misinterpret that?
(Sara from Tacoma)
It's possible. I know several scouts that didn't like his mechanical profile, his pop-up velocity, and his overall approach to pitching, and put the bullpen label on him. The game changes at the pro level, though. Evaluation to be re-examined (Jason Parks on the Midseason Top 50 Prospects)
2013-06-25 13:00:00 (link to chat)Am I sensing sarcasm in Carlos Rodon at 1? But would you put the lefty with nasty fastball/slider combo ahead of Mark Appel or Jonathan Gray?
(mikeyurk from CT)
Yes. If in the same draft, I would prefer Rodon to both Appel and Gray. (Jason Parks on the Midseason Top 50 Prospects)
2013-05-28 13:00:00 (link to chat)Is it a given that either Mark Appel or Jonathan Gray go first overall to the Astros?
(BobcatBaseball from Athens, OH)
No. If it's a guarantee in the scouting community that whoever doesn't go first goes second, then they can't play them like they played Carlos Correa last year. That situation worked because if Correa wasn't going first, he was going much later, so they could get him to sign well under slot, knowing it would be more than he'd get in the late top 10.

I have no knowledge that they'd do that again, but if they want to go under slot early and over slot late like last year, you'd want more of a darkhorse. The Houston beat guys, Brian McTaggart and Brian Smith, have mentioned several other options, and how much of Jim Crane reportedly scouting Moran was a decoy or whatever, I'm not sure. (Zachary Levine)
2013-04-04 11:00:00 (link to chat)Prof, I know you're not an amateur guy (in any sense), but I hear that Jonathan Gray of Oklahoma could go 1-1. Saw some video clips: big guy, quick arm, short stride, stiff landing leg. What have you seen or heard? Thanks.
(CyMature from WesternMass)
I've read several reports, talked to several scouts that have seen him in person, and watched him on video. Jason Cole will be watching him tomorrow and will write up a full report for BP. There is a lot to like with the kid, but if I had to bet, I'd bet that Appel goes 1:1. (Jason Parks)
2013-03-28 13:00:00 (link to chat)Which team does Jonathan Gray go to?
(Tim from Toronto)
Right now, somewhere in the Top 10, and maybe ultimately in the Top5. It's early-1st Round stuff and even though the command lags behind the control, there's a lot to work with. He throws with some effort, and the jump in stuff is relatively new, so evaluators are still left to figure out exactly what the ultimate profile looks like. (Nick Faleris)
2013-03-28 13:00:00 (link to chat)Hey Nick, was wondering if you've seen Jonathan Gray yet and what you thought of him? I read about the UCLA coaches comparing him to Cole and was curious if the comp holds any weight for you? Also, is the conditioning a major concern?
(Matt from NJ)
I've seen two of Gray's starts via HD game tape, but not in person yet. The plan was to see him against Oklahoma St., but it looks like I might have a newborn on my hands almost that exact weekend, so I am going to see what alternate plans I can make (maybe in tournament play later on). If you aren't already, follow Jason Cole (@LoneStarDugout) on twitter, who is a member of the BP Prospect Team and will be seeing Gray live against Baylor in the coming weeks.

As for the Cole comp, it isn't appropriate. Both throw hard and have good sliders, but Cole's changeup was well ahead of where Gray currently sits, and Cole also mixed a cut variation on his slider for a different look. I might go along with Junior Gray is on par with Sophomore Cole, but even that isn't really great. The biggest concern evaluators will have with Gray is figuring out how much of the new look is long term sustainable, which means lots of peaks between now and draft day. (Nick Faleris)


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Jonathan Gray has thrown 37 pitches that have been tracked by the PITCHf/x system in 2014, all of them occuring in Spring Training. In 2014, he has relied primarily on his Fourseam Fastball (93mph) and Slider (84mph), also mixing in a Change (83mph).