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Dave Stieb PBlue Jays

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Career Summary
Years G IP W L SV ERA WARP
16 443 2895.3 176 137 3 3.44 45.9
Birth Date7-22-1957
Height6' 0"
Weight185 lbs
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ThrowsR
WARP Summary

MLB Statistics

Historical (past-seasons) WARP is now based on DRA..
cFIP and DRA are not available on a by-team basis and display as zeroes(0). See TOT line for season totals of these stats.
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YEAR Team Lg G GS IP W L SV H BB SO HR oppTAv PPF H/9 BB/9 HR/9 K/9 GB% BABIP TAv WHIP FIP ERA cFIP DRA WARP
1979 TOR MLB 18 18 129.3 8 8 0 139 48 52 11 .271 100 9.7 3.3 0.8 3.6 63% .286 .265 1.45 4.27 4.31 94 4.32 1.2
1980 TOR MLB 34 32 242.7 12 15 0 232 83 108 12 .266 100 8.6 3.1 0.4 4.0 60% .277 .241 1.30 3.61 3.71 95 3.93 2.9
1981 TOR MLB 25 25 183.7 11 10 0 148 61 89 10 .264 102 7.3 3.0 0.5 4.4 51% .239 .232 1.14 3.45 3.19 100 3.29 3.2
1982 TOR MLB 38 38 288.3 17 14 0 271 75 141 27 .269 103 8.5 2.3 0.8 4.4 51% .260 .239 1.20 3.76 3.25 92 3.73 4.5
1983 TOR MLB 36 36 278.0 17 12 0 223 93 187 21 .265 106 7.2 3.0 0.7 6.1 46% .245 .226 1.14 3.62 3.04 84 2.92 7.1
1984 TOR MLB 35 35 267.0 16 8 0 215 88 198 19 .267 97 7.2 3.0 0.6 6.7 44% .255 .228 1.13 3.30 2.83 81 2.90 6.8
1985 TOR MLB 36 36 265.0 14 13 0 206 96 167 22 .266 98 7.0 3.3 0.7 5.7 51% .232 .232 1.14 3.75 2.48 93 3.07 6.8
1986 TOR MLB 37 34 205.0 7 12 1 239 87 127 29 .267 101 10.5 3.8 1.3 5.6 48% .318 .302 1.59 4.89 4.74 115 4.88 1.1
1987 TOR MLB 33 31 185.0 13 9 0 164 87 115 16 .264 99 8.0 4.2 0.8 5.6 48% .262 .251 1.36 4.28 4.09 108 4.46 2.7
1988 TOR MLB 32 31 207.3 16 8 0 157 79 147 15 .269 102 6.8 3.4 0.7 6.4 49% .241 .227 1.14 3.68 3.04 101 3.53 3.6
1989 TOR MLB 33 33 206.7 17 8 0 164 76 101 12 .264 99 7.1 3.3 0.5 4.4 49% .235 .233 1.16 3.92 3.35 111 4.09 2.3
1990 TOR MLB 33 33 208.7 18 6 0 179 64 125 11 .264 102 7.7 2.8 0.5 5.4 47% .258 .228 1.16 3.36 2.93 98 3.58 3.9
1991 TOR MLB 9 9 59.7 4 3 0 52 23 29 4 .265 101 7.8 3.5 0.6 4.4 55% .258 .244 1.26 4.07 3.17 106 3.90 1.0
1992 TOR MLB 21 14 96.3 4 6 0 98 43 45 9 .263 101 9.2 4.0 0.8 4.2 46% .283 .283 1.46 4.53 5.04 117 5.69 -0.9
1993 CHA MLB 4 4 22.3 1 3 0 27 14 11 1 .259 97 10.9 5.6 0.4 4.4 47% .321 .296 1.84 4.48 6.04 122 6.68 -0.3
1998 TOR MLB 19 3 50.3 1 2 2 58 17 27 6 .261 95 10.4 3.0 1.1 4.8 37% .301 .281 1.49 5.01 4.83 115 5.46 0.0
CareerMLB4434122895.31761373257210341669225.2661018.03.20.75.250%.260.2441.253.843.44983.7845.9

Statistics for All Levels

'opp' stats - Quality of opponents faced - have been moved and are available only as OPP_QUAL in the Statistics reports now.
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YEAR Team Lg G GS IP W L SV H BB SO HR oppTAv PPF H/9 BB/9 HR/9 K/9 GB% BABIP TAv WHIP FIP ERA cFIP DRA
1979 TOR MLB 18 18 129.3 8 8 0 139 48 52 11 .271 100 9.7 3.3 0.8 3.6 63% .286 .265 1.45 4.27 4.31 94 4.32
1979 DUN A+ 8 8 51.0 5 0 0 54 28 38 0 .000 9.5 4.9 0.0 6.7 0% .000 .000 1.61 2.87 4.24 0 0.00
1979 SYR AAA 7 7 51.0 5 2 0 39 14 20 0 .000 6.9 2.5 0.0 3.5 0% .000 .000 1.04 2.79 2.12 0 0.00
1980 TOR MLB 34 32 242.7 12 15 0 232 83 108 12 .266 100 8.6 3.1 0.4 4.0 60% .277 .241 1.30 3.61 3.71 95 3.93
1981 TOR MLB 25 25 183.7 11 10 0 148 61 89 10 .264 102 7.3 3.0 0.5 4.4 51% .239 .232 1.14 3.45 3.19 100 3.29
1982 TOR MLB 38 38 288.3 17 14 0 271 75 141 27 .269 103 8.5 2.3 0.8 4.4 51% .260 .239 1.20 3.76 3.25 92 3.73
1983 TOR MLB 36 36 278.0 17 12 0 223 93 187 21 .265 106 7.2 3.0 0.7 6.1 46% .245 .226 1.14 3.62 3.04 84 2.92
1984 TOR MLB 35 35 267.0 16 8 0 215 88 198 19 .267 97 7.2 3.0 0.6 6.7 44% .255 .228 1.13 3.30 2.83 81 2.90
1985 TOR MLB 36 36 265.0 14 13 0 206 96 167 22 .266 98 7.0 3.3 0.7 5.7 51% .232 .232 1.14 3.75 2.48 93 3.07
1986 TOR MLB 37 34 205.0 7 12 1 239 87 127 29 .267 101 10.5 3.8 1.3 5.6 48% .318 .302 1.59 4.89 4.74 115 4.88
1987 TOR MLB 33 31 185.0 13 9 0 164 87 115 16 .264 99 8.0 4.2 0.8 5.6 48% .262 .251 1.36 4.28 4.09 108 4.46
1988 TOR MLB 32 31 207.3 16 8 0 157 79 147 15 .269 102 6.8 3.4 0.7 6.4 49% .241 .227 1.14 3.68 3.04 101 3.53
1989 TOR MLB 33 33 206.7 17 8 0 164 76 101 12 .264 99 7.1 3.3 0.5 4.4 49% .235 .233 1.16 3.92 3.35 111 4.09
1990 TOR MLB 33 33 208.7 18 6 0 179 64 125 11 .264 102 7.7 2.8 0.5 5.4 47% .258 .228 1.16 3.36 2.93 98 3.58
1991 TOR MLB 9 9 59.7 4 3 0 52 23 29 4 .265 101 7.8 3.5 0.6 4.4 55% .258 .244 1.26 4.07 3.17 106 3.90
1992 TOR MLB 21 14 96.3 4 6 0 98 43 45 9 .263 101 9.2 4.0 0.8 4.2 46% .283 .283 1.46 4.53 5.04 117 5.69
1992 DUN A+ 2 2 12.7 1 1 0 7 4 11 0 .000 5.0 2.8 0.0 7.8 0% .000 .000 0.87 2.16 2.13 0 0.00
1993 CHA MLB 4 4 22.3 1 3 0 27 14 11 1 .259 97 10.9 5.6 0.4 4.4 47% .321 .296 1.84 4.48 6.04 122 6.68
1993 SAR A+ 2 2 12.3 1 1 0 18 2 14 2 .000 13.2 1.5 1.5 10.2 0% .000 .000 1.63 3.50 5.85 0 0.00
1993 NAS AAA 1 1 7.0 0 1 0 9 2 3 1 .000 11.6 2.6 1.3 3.9 0% .000 .000 1.57 5.04 3.86 0 0.00
1993 OMA AAA 9 8 47.7 3 3 0 63 12 18 9 .000 11.9 2.3 1.7 3.4 0% .000 .000 1.57 5.63 6.42 0 0.00
1998 TOR MLB 19 3 50.3 1 2 2 58 17 27 6 .261 95 10.4 3.0 1.1 4.8 37% .301 .281 1.49 5.01 4.83 115 5.46
1998 DUN A+ 3 3 15.0 2 0 0 17 5 19 2 .000 10.2 3.0 1.2 11.4 0% -.577 .000 1.47 3.65 3.00 0 0.00
1998 SYR AAA 9 9 66.0 5 4 0 44 17 47 5 .000 6.0 2.3 0.7 6.4 0% -.557 .000 0.92 3.65 2.73 0 0.00

Plate Discipline

YEAR PITCHES ZONE_RT SWING_RT CONTACT_RT Z_SWING_RT O_SWING_RT Z_CONTACT_RT O_CONTACT_RT SW_STRK_RT

Injury History  —  No longer being updated

Last Update: 12/31/2014 23:59 ET

Date On Date Off Transaction Days Games Side Body Part Injury Severity Surgery Date Reaggravation
1993-04-06 1993-04-29 15-DL 23 20 Right Elbow Inflammation Tendonitis - -
1992-08-11 1992-10-25 15-DL 75 50 Right Shoulder Inflammation - -
1992-04-06 1992-04-22 15-DL 16 15 Right Elbow Inflammation - -
1991-12-04 1991-12-04 Off 0 0 - Neck Surgery Herniated Disc 1991-12-04 -
1991-10-10 1991-10-10 Off 0 0 - Neck Surgery Herniated Disc Date Is Estimated 1991-10-10 -
1991-05-23 1991-10-14 60-DL 144 121 - Neck Cartilage Injury Herniated Disc - -

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BP Articles

Dave Stieb is referenced in the following articles.

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  Title Author Date
Prospectus Feature: Bloom's Taxonomy and the Domains of Baseball LearningBryan Grosnick2016-06-30
This article requires BP Premium accessPitching Backward: Some Signatures Are ForgeriesJeff Long2015-10-15
Prospectus Feature: DRA: Improved, Minused, and DemonstratedRobert Arthur2015-06-10
Prospectus Feature: DRA: Improved, Minused, and DemonstratedDan Turkenkopf2015-06-10
Prospectus Feature: DRA: Improved, Minused, and DemonstratedJonathan Judge2015-06-10
Prospectus Feature: DRA: Improved, Minused, and DemonstratedHarry Pavlidis2015-06-10
Prospectus Feature: DRA: Improved, Minused, and DemonstratedGregory J. Matthews2015-06-10
This article requires BP Premium accessWhat You Need to Know: Weekend Wrap-Up, 5/12Morris Greenberg2014-05-12
This article requires BP Premium accessWhat You Need to Know: Weekend Wrap-Up, 5/12Chris Mosch2014-05-12
Top Tools: Best PitchesBP Prospect Staff2013-04-01
BP Unfiltered: Is Jack Morris the Best Pitcher of an Era?Colin Wyers2013-01-08
Wezen-Ball: Covering an All-Star TeamLarry Granillo2012-05-10
Between The Numbers: The Prorating GameColin Wyers2012-05-04
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit and Run: Bartolo Colon and the Comeback KidsJay Jaffe2012-04-23
This article requires BP Premium accessPebble Hunting: Scott Boras' First TimeSam Miller2012-01-25
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit and Run: The Keltner All-Stars, Part IIJay Jaffe2012-01-16
Heartburn Hardball: Jack Morris in MotionJonathan Bernhardt2012-01-13
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit and Run: A Weighty MatterJay Jaffe2011-10-31
The Lineup Card: 13 Bad Players Who Are (or Were) Still Fun to Watch and Root ForBaseball Prospectus2011-10-26
This article requires BP Premium accessDivide and Conquer, NL West: The Dodgers Were Not Built to Wait Until Next YearGeoff Young2011-07-12
This article requires BP Premium accessAging Hurlers: Javier Vazquez and the Incredible Fading FastballMichael Jong2011-05-25
This article requires BP Premium accessOverthinking It: Bartolo ColonoscopyBen Lindbergh2011-03-24
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit and Run: Marvin Miller and Pat GillickJay Jaffe2010-11-16
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit List: Big Hits and Near MissesJay Jaffe2010-08-13
You Can Blog It Up: Yunel Escobar and the Bobby Cox All-StarsSteven Goldman2010-07-15
Prospectus Q&A: Chaz ScogginsDavid Laurila2010-03-07
This article requires BP Premium accessOn the Beat: Cooper's OptimismJohn Perrotto2009-04-19
This article requires BP Premium accessChange For Its Own Sake: Reviewing the Cubs' OffseasonChristina Kahrl2009-03-05
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit and Run: The Comeback KingsJay Jaffe2008-10-15
This article requires BP Premium accessYou Could Look It Up: Topping the Twins, Part DeuxSteven Goldman2008-02-18
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Matchups: Grab BagJim Baker2007-08-31
Prospectus Today: Midsummer Classic HighlightsJoe Sheehan2007-07-11
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Today: The Buehrle DilemmaJoe Sheehan2007-06-28
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Matchups: Mommy, It's a Stray Datum! Can We Keep It?Jim Baker2007-01-26
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Matchups: The Rivalry ComethJim Baker2005-09-09
Prospectus Triple Play: Atlanta Braves, Tampa Bay Devil Rays, Toronto Blue JaysDavid Kirsch2005-05-06
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Matchups: NL Cy Young VotingJim Baker2004-11-10
This article requires BP Premium accessLies, Damned Lies: ComparablesNate Silver2004-10-21
Aim For The Head: Hidden Perfect Games MailbagKeith Woolner2004-05-26
This article requires BP Premium accessThe Class of 2004: Analyzing the PitchersJay Jaffe2004-01-14
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Today: Return of the Cripple StickJoe Sheehan2003-05-02
The Proper Support: Did Bert Blyleven Receive it?Greg Spira2003-03-06
2003 Internet Hall Of Fame Results: Presented by STATLG-L and Baseball ProspectusNeal Traven2003-01-06


BP Chats

DateQuestionAnswer
2013-01-09 13:00:00 (link to chat)Thanks for doing these chats; I always appreciate insights from someone with front-office experience. Here's a Q pertaining to that experience. One of the arguments against Jack Morris as a Hall of Famer is that pitchers like him in his generation -- Dave Stieb, Frank Tanana, etc. -- got rejected by HoF voters very quickly. My question is: if guys like Stieb and Tanana were so good, why weren't the high rollers of the time bidding for their services when they hit free agency? Was there an unspoken rule (collusion?) against poaching other GMs' free agents? Or did they not understand talent evaluation very well? Something else?
(Bill from New Mexico)
I enjoy these chats, Bill from New Mexico. Thanks for your question. I saw Morris a ton during his career, as I worked in the AL my first 19 years in the game and was in the same league. Jack Morris was damn good, a winner, and a guy who grinned out wins and threw tons of innings. It is hard to evaluate each player's career in regards to roster decisions unles you're his agent, because that's the only person who really knows what was really out there. I certainly did not reject him as a HOF candidate, just felt he was REALLY good, not HOF. (Dan Evans)
2013-01-09 13:00:00 (link to chat)Piggy-backing on Bill (New Mexico)'s question. Do you think Morris' late-career overlap with Clemens affect his balloting? Which if any of the following contemporary pitchers would you rank as "better" or "about equal to" Morris' career or peak performance? David Cone, Dennis Martinez, Saberhagen, Steib, Tanana, Bob Welch. Any others who stick out in your mind as "about equal?"
(BR from NYC)
I feel that Dennis Martinez and Dave Stieb were better pitchers than Morris. Saberhagen would have been the best of the group were it not for injuries. (Dan Evans)
2011-01-05 13:00:00 (link to chat)I always hated the argument that because Morris was the best starting pitcher of the '80's, he should go in. Using that logic, Freehan or McCarver would be in the Hall. Some eras are just weak at one position or another. No question; just wanted to make that observation.
(GrinnellSteve from Grinnell)
Good point, except I think that it's an incorrect premise to suggest that Morris was the best of the '80s. Dave Stieb had much higher WARP totals and I believe rates as the best pitcher of his era, yet he had less exposure in terms of the postseason. (Jay Jaffe)
2010-08-02 13:30:00 (link to chat)Must admit that I was rooting hard for the Jays to trade Downs at the deadline, so that I no longer was confronted with the abomination of somebody else wearing Dave Stieb's uniform number (37). It's well past time for the Jays to retire the uniform number of their all-time leading pitcher. (Roy Halladay, you say? Never heard of him.)
(rowenbell from IL)
Ah, Rowen, you know how to hit a person smack in their nostalgia lobe, don't you. I do miss Dave Stieb, but there again, you're talking to somebody whose favorite pitcher of all time was Dave Stewart, and the A's can't retire his number, because they subsequently retired it for Rollie Fingers. (Christina Kahrl)
2009-10-13 14:00:00 (link to chat)Your thoughts on Jair Jurrjens' future please.
(Frug from UIUC)
There were some who thought his 2008 season would be his best; obviously, he chose to disagree. He suffers from some of the biases against "short" right-handers, and he isn't throwing any harder. Still, he outperformed Lowe (and Kawakami). It seems crazy that even before this season, two of his top comps were Greg Maddux and Dave Stieb, two of the best "short" right-handers of the past generation. It also suggests how extraordinary Jurrjens already is, which is where all the doubt comes from. Could he really be that good? I don't think we can say yes or no with anything like the same sort of authority as we can with more typical players. I'd take my chances with him, certainly. (Christina Kahrl)
2008-12-23 14:00:00 (link to chat)Merry Christmas Christina! What should the Blue Jays wish for under the Christmas tree?
(jerjapan from Toronto)
Three starting pitchers? Dave Stieb circa 1981 to step out of the wayback machine? Global warming to swallow up Boston and New York and St. Petersburg? Realignment? (Christina Kahrl)
2008-09-10 13:00:00 (link to chat)With the Jays on the noggin, who's going to be the first player into the HoF with a Blue Jays cap?
(Aaron from YYZ)
Rickey Henderson? Fred McGriff? Lyle Overbay? Maybe a successful VC campaign for Dave Stieb?

That's a stumper. I honestly don't know the answer. (Jay Jaffe)
2008-07-24 13:00:00 (link to chat)Ms. Kahrl, my favourite baseball writer. A few years ago we had slow-footed sluggers undervalued (and that was probably a long period, no?). Then, the As and others focused on the fragile and the defensively-gifted. Care to guess what type of talent teams might be passing over too quickly now? Or has that window closed more or less?
(Jim Clancy from Exhibition Stadium)
Ah, Mr. Clancy... is it wrong that I liked Dave Stieb better? (Hey, it isn't like I'm picking Luis Leal.) Anyway, I'd suggest that it's still "bad apples," because look what citizenship grades have done to the market value of Milton Bradley or Barry Bonds. Or Shawn Chacon. (Christina Kahrl)


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