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Dave Stieb PBlue Jays

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Career Summary
Years IP W L SV SO ERA WARP
16 2895.3 176 137 3 1669 3.44 26.7
Birth Date7-22-1957
Height6' 0"
Weight185 lbs
BatsR
ThrowsR
WARP Summary

Standard

YEAR TEAM AGE G GS IP IP-SP IP-RP W L SV BS QS BQS PA H R ER HR TB BB UBB HBP SO ERA FIP FRA VORP WARP
1979 TOR 21 18 18 129.3 129.3 0.0 8 8 0 0 8 3 563 139 70 62 11 202 48 45 4 52 4.31 4.27 5.58 -3.1 -0.3
1980 TOR 22 34 32 242.7 237.3 5.3 12 15 0 0 17 4 1004 232 108 100 12 318 83 77 6 108 3.71 3.61 4.39 15.1 2.6
1981 TOR 23 25 25 183.7 183.7 0.0 11 10 0 0 15 4 748 148 70 65 10 214 61 59 11 89 3.19 3.45 4.21 10.3 1.2
1982 TOR 24 38 38 288.3 288.3 0.0 17 14 0 0 23 5 1187 271 116 104 27 394 75 71 5 141 3.25 3.76 4.41 26.7 2.8
1983 TOR 25 36 36 278.0 278.0 0.0 17 12 0 0 26 3 1141 223 105 94 21 348 93 87 14 187 3.04 3.62 4.12 38.1 4.0
1984 TOR 26 35 35 267.0 267.0 0.0 16 8 0 0 26 3 1085 215 87 84 19 322 88 87 11 198 2.83 3.30 3.98 26.0 2.8
1985 TOR 27 36 36 265.0 265.0 0.0 14 13 0 0 27 4 1087 206 89 73 22 309 96 93 9 167 2.48 3.75 3.98 36.0 3.8
1986 TOR 28 37 34 205.0 203.0 2.0 7 12 1 0 15 3 919 239 128 108 29 383 87 86 15 127 4.74 4.89 5.54 5.7 0.6
1987 TOR 29 33 31 185.0 178.7 6.3 13 9 0 0 14 0 789 164 92 84 16 258 87 83 7 115 4.09 4.28 4.77 22.5 2.2
1988 TOR 30 32 31 207.3 202.3 5.0 16 8 0 0 20 0 844 157 76 70 15 236 79 79 13 147 3.04 3.68 4.43 18.7 2.0
1989 TOR 31 33 33 206.7 206.7 0.0 17 8 0 0 18 2 850 164 83 77 12 236 76 74 13 101 3.35 3.92 4.49 13.3 1.4
1990 TOR 32 33 33 208.7 208.7 0.0 18 6 0 0 24 0 861 179 73 68 11 249 64 64 10 125 2.93 3.36 4.01 27.7 3.0
1991 TOR 33 9 9 59.7 59.7 0.0 4 3 0 0 6 0 244 52 22 21 4 74 23 23 2 29 3.17 4.07 5.24 1.4 0.1
1992 TOR 34 21 14 96.3 79.0 17.3 4 6 0 0 5 2 415 98 58 54 9 150 43 40 4 45 5.04 4.53 5.31 0.2 0.0
1993 CHA 35 4 4 22.3 22.3 0.0 1 3 0 0 2 0 107 27 17 15 1 33 14 14 0 11 6.04 4.48 5.54 -0.3 -0.0
1998 TOR 40 19 3 50.3 15.7 34.7 1 2 2 0 0 0 228 58 31 27 6 86 17 16 5 27 4.83 5.01 5.00 4.0 0.4
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Advanced

'opp' stats - Quality of opponents faced - have been moved and are available only as OPP_QUAL in the Statistics reports now.
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YEAR Team Lg G GS IP FRA FRA+ TAv oppAVG oppOBP oppSLG oppTAv BABIP PPF PVORP PWARP VORP WARP
1979 TOR MLB 18 18 129.3 5.58 82 .265 .273 .339 .420 .271 .286 100 -3.1 -0.3 -3.1 -0.3
1979 DUN A+ 8 8 51.0 0.00 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1979 SYR AAA 7 7 51.0 0.00 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1980 TOR MLB 34 32 242.7 4.39 103 .241 .269 .328 .399 .266 .277 100 16.4 1.7 15.1 2.6
1981 TOR MLB 25 25 183.7 4.21 99 .232 .256 .322 .367 .264 .239 102 10.3 1.2 10.3 1.2
1982 TOR MLB 38 38 288.3 4.41 105 .239 .266 .330 .407 .269 .260 103 26.7 2.8 26.7 2.8
1983 TOR MLB 36 36 278.0 4.12 114 .226 .264 .326 .399 .265 .245 106 38.1 4.0 38.1 4.0
1984 TOR MLB 35 35 267.0 3.98 108 .228 .265 .326 .398 .267 .255 97 26.0 2.8 26.0 2.8
1985 TOR MLB 36 36 265.0 3.98 112 .232 .259 .324 .402 .266 .232 98 36.0 3.8 36.0 3.8
1986 TOR MLB 37 34 205.0 5.54 83 .302 .263 .330 .411 .267 .318 101 5.7 0.6 5.7 0.6
1987 TOR MLB 33 31 185.0 4.77 103 .251 .265 .331 .425 .264 .262 99 22.5 2.2 22.5 2.2
1988 TOR MLB 32 31 207.3 4.43 101 .227 .262 .323 .395 .269 .241 102 18.7 2.0 18.7 2.0
1989 TOR MLB 33 33 206.7 4.49 95 .233 .262 .325 .380 .264 .235 99 13.3 1.4 13.3 1.4
1990 TOR MLB 33 33 208.7 4.01 109 .228 .262 .328 .385 .264 .258 102 27.7 3.0 27.7 3.0
1991 TOR MLB 9 9 59.7 5.24 85 .244 .264 .329 .393 .265 .258 101 1.4 0.1 1.4 0.1
1992 TOR MLB 21 14 96.3 5.31 79 .283 .261 .324 .379 .263 .283 101 0.2 0.0 0.2 0.0
1992 DUN A+ 2 2 12.7 0.00 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1993 CHA MLB 4 4 22.3 5.54 80 .296 .259 .332 .394 .259 .321 97 -0.3 -0.0 -0.3 -0.0
1993 SAR A+ 2 2 12.3 0.00 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1993 NAS AAA 1 1 7.0 0.00 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1993 OMA AAA 9 8 47.7 0.00 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1998 TOR MLB 19 3 50.3 5.00 96 .281 .269 .332 .423 .261 .301 95 4.1 0.4 4.0 0.4
1998 DUN A+ 3 3 15.0 0.00 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1998 SYR AAA 9 9 66.0 0.00 0 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

Statistics For All Levels

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Year Team Lg W L SV G GS IP H BB SO HR GB% BABIP H/9 BB/9 HR/9 K/9 WHIP ERA VORP WARP
1979 SYR AAA 5 2 0 7 7 51.0 39 14 20 0 0% .000 6.9 2.5 0.0 3.5 1.04 2.12 0.0 0.0
1979 DUN A+ 5 0 0 8 8 51.0 54 28 38 0 0% .000 9.5 4.9 0.0 6.7 1.61 4.24 0.0 0.0
1979 TOR MLB 8 8 0 18 18 129.3 139 48 52 11 63% .286 9.7 3.3 0.8 3.6 1.45 4.31 -3.1 -0.3
1980 TOR MLB 12 15 0 34 32 242.7 232 83 108 12 60% .277 8.6 3.1 0.4 4.0 1.30 3.71 15.1 2.6
1981 TOR MLB 11 10 0 25 25 183.7 148 61 89 10 51% .239 7.3 3.0 0.5 4.4 1.14 3.19 10.3 1.2
1982 TOR MLB 17 14 0 38 38 288.3 271 75 141 27 51% .260 8.5 2.3 0.8 4.4 1.20 3.25 26.7 2.8
1983 TOR MLB 17 12 0 36 36 278.0 223 93 187 21 46% .245 7.2 3.0 0.7 6.1 1.14 3.04 38.1 4.0
1984 TOR MLB 16 8 0 35 35 267.0 215 88 198 19 44% .255 7.2 3.0 0.6 6.7 1.13 2.83 26.0 2.8
1985 TOR MLB 14 13 0 36 36 265.0 206 96 167 22 51% .232 7.0 3.3 0.7 5.7 1.14 2.48 36.0 3.8
1986 TOR MLB 7 12 1 37 34 205.0 239 87 127 29 48% .318 10.5 3.8 1.3 5.6 1.59 4.74 5.7 0.6
1987 TOR MLB 13 9 0 33 31 185.0 164 87 115 16 48% .262 8.0 4.2 0.8 5.6 1.36 4.09 22.5 2.2
1988 TOR MLB 16 8 0 32 31 207.3 157 79 147 15 49% .241 6.8 3.4 0.7 6.4 1.14 3.04 18.7 2.0
1989 TOR MLB 17 8 0 33 33 206.7 164 76 101 12 49% .235 7.1 3.3 0.5 4.4 1.16 3.35 13.3 1.4
1990 TOR MLB 18 6 0 33 33 208.7 179 64 125 11 47% .258 7.7 2.8 0.5 5.4 1.16 2.93 27.7 3.0
1991 TOR MLB 4 3 0 9 9 59.7 52 23 29 4 55% .258 7.8 3.5 0.6 4.4 1.26 3.17 1.4 0.1
1992 TOR MLB 4 6 0 21 14 96.3 98 43 45 9 46% .283 9.2 4.0 0.8 4.2 1.46 5.04 0.2 0.0
1992 DUN A+ 1 1 0 2 2 12.7 7 4 11 0 0% .000 5.0 2.8 0.0 7.8 0.87 2.13 0.0 0.0
1993 CHA MLB 1 3 0 4 4 22.3 27 14 11 1 47% .321 10.9 5.6 0.4 4.4 1.84 6.04 -0.3 -0.0
1993 NAS AAA 0 1 0 1 1 7.0 9 2 3 1 0% .000 11.6 2.6 1.3 3.9 1.57 3.86 0.0 0.0
1993 OMA AAA 3 3 0 9 8 47.7 63 12 18 9 0% .000 11.9 2.3 1.7 3.4 1.57 6.42 0.0 0.0
1993 SAR A+ 1 1 0 2 2 12.3 18 2 14 2 0% .000 13.2 1.5 1.5 10.2 1.63 5.85 0.0 0.0
1998 TOR MLB 1 2 2 19 3 50.3 58 17 27 6 37% .301 10.4 3.0 1.1 4.8 1.49 4.83 4.0 0.4
1998 SYR AAA 5 4 0 9 9 66.0 44 17 47 5 0% .000 6.0 2.3 0.7 6.4 0.92 2.73 0.0 0.0
1998 DUN A+ 2 0 0 3 3 15.0 17 5 19 2 0% .000 10.2 3.0 1.2 11.4 1.47 3.00 0.0 0.0

Plate Discipline

YEAR PITCHES ZONE_RT SWING_RT CONTACT_RT Z_SWING_RT O_SWING_RT Z_CONTACT_RT O_CONTACT_RT SW_STRK_RT

Injury History

Date On Date Off Transaction Days Games Side Body Part Injury Severity Surgery Date Reaggravation
1993-04-06 1993-04-29 15-DL 23 20 Right Elbow Inflammation Tendonitis - -
1992-08-11 1992-10-25 15-DL 75 50 Right Shoulder Inflammation - -
1992-04-06 1992-04-22 15-DL 16 15 Right Elbow Inflammation - -
1991-12-04 1991-12-04 Off 0 0 - Neck Surgery Herniated Disc 1991-12-04 -
1991-10-10 1991-10-10 Off 0 0 - Neck Surgery Herniated Disc Date Is Estimated 1991-10-10 -
1991-05-23 1991-10-14 60-DL 144 121 - Neck Cartilage Injury Herniated Disc - -

Compensation

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BP Articles

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  Title Author Date
This article requires BP Premium accessWhat You Need to Know: Weekend Wrap-Up, 5/12Chris Mosch2014-05-12
This article requires BP Premium accessWhat You Need to Know: Weekend Wrap-Up, 5/12Morris Greenberg2014-05-12
Top Tools: Best PitchesBP Prospect Staff2013-04-01
BP Unfiltered: Is Jack Morris the Best Pitcher of an Era?Colin Wyers2013-01-08
Wezen-Ball: Covering an All-Star TeamLarry Granillo2012-05-10
Between The Numbers: The Prorating GameColin Wyers2012-05-04
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit and Run: Bartolo Colon and the Comeback KidsJay Jaffe2012-04-23
This article requires BP Premium accessPebble Hunting: Scott Boras' First TimeSam Miller2012-01-25
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit and Run: The Keltner All-Stars, Part IIJay Jaffe2012-01-16
Heartburn Hardball: Jack Morris in MotionJonathan Bernhardt2012-01-13
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit and Run: A Weighty MatterJay Jaffe2011-10-31
The Lineup Card: 13 Bad Players Who Are (or Were) Still Fun to Watch and Root ForBaseball Prospectus2011-10-26
This article requires BP Premium accessDivide and Conquer, NL West: The Dodgers Were Not Built to Wait Until Next YearGeoff Young2011-07-12
This article requires BP Premium accessAging Hurlers: Javier Vazquez and the Incredible Fading FastballMichael Jong2011-05-25
This article requires BP Premium accessOverthinking It: Bartolo ColonoscopyBen Lindbergh2011-03-24
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit and Run: Marvin Miller and Pat GillickJay Jaffe2010-11-16
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit List: Big Hits and Near MissesJay Jaffe2010-08-13
You Can Blog It Up: Yunel Escobar and the Bobby Cox All-StarsSteven Goldman2010-07-15
Prospectus Q&A: Chaz ScogginsDavid Laurila2010-03-07
This article requires BP Premium accessOn the Beat: Cooper's OptimismJohn Perrotto2009-04-19
This article requires BP Premium accessChange For Its Own Sake: Reviewing the Cubs' OffseasonChristina Kahrl2009-03-05
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Hit and Run: The Comeback KingsJay Jaffe2008-10-15
This article requires BP Premium accessYou Could Look It Up: Topping the Twins, Part DeuxSteven Goldman2008-02-18
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Matchups: Grab BagJim Baker2007-08-31
Prospectus Today: Midsummer Classic HighlightsJoe Sheehan2007-07-11
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Today: The Buehrle DilemmaJoe Sheehan2007-06-28
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Matchups: Mommy, It's a Stray Datum! Can We Keep It?Jim Baker2007-01-26
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Matchups: The Rivalry ComethJim Baker2005-09-09
Prospectus Triple Play: Atlanta Braves, Tampa Bay Devil Rays, Toronto Blue JaysDavid Kirsch2005-05-06
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Matchups: NL Cy Young VotingJim Baker2004-11-10
This article requires BP Premium accessLies, Damned Lies: ComparablesNate Silver2004-10-21
Aim For The Head: Hidden Perfect Games MailbagKeith Woolner2004-05-26
This article requires BP Premium accessThe Class of 2004: Analyzing the PitchersJay Jaffe2004-01-14
This article requires BP Premium accessProspectus Today: Return of the Cripple StickJoe Sheehan2003-05-02
The Proper Support: Did Bert Blyleven Receive it?Greg Spira2003-03-06
2003 Internet Hall Of Fame Results: Presented by STATLG-L and Baseball ProspectusNeal Traven2003-01-06


BP Chats

DateQuestionAnswer
2013-01-09 13:00:00 (link to chat)Thanks for doing these chats; I always appreciate insights from someone with front-office experience. Here's a Q pertaining to that experience. One of the arguments against Jack Morris as a Hall of Famer is that pitchers like him in his generation -- Dave Stieb, Frank Tanana, etc. -- got rejected by HoF voters very quickly. My question is: if guys like Stieb and Tanana were so good, why weren't the high rollers of the time bidding for their services when they hit free agency? Was there an unspoken rule (collusion?) against poaching other GMs' free agents? Or did they not understand talent evaluation very well? Something else?
(Bill from New Mexico)
I enjoy these chats, Bill from New Mexico. Thanks for your question. I saw Morris a ton during his career, as I worked in the AL my first 19 years in the game and was in the same league. Jack Morris was damn good, a winner, and a guy who grinned out wins and threw tons of innings. It is hard to evaluate each player's career in regards to roster decisions unles you're his agent, because that's the only person who really knows what was really out there. I certainly did not reject him as a HOF candidate, just felt he was REALLY good, not HOF. (Dan Evans)
2013-01-09 13:00:00 (link to chat)Piggy-backing on Bill (New Mexico)'s question. Do you think Morris' late-career overlap with Clemens affect his balloting? Which if any of the following contemporary pitchers would you rank as "better" or "about equal to" Morris' career or peak performance? David Cone, Dennis Martinez, Saberhagen, Steib, Tanana, Bob Welch. Any others who stick out in your mind as "about equal?"
(BR from NYC)
I feel that Dennis Martinez and Dave Stieb were better pitchers than Morris. Saberhagen would have been the best of the group were it not for injuries. (Dan Evans)
2011-01-05 13:00:00 (link to chat)I always hated the argument that because Morris was the best starting pitcher of the '80's, he should go in. Using that logic, Freehan or McCarver would be in the Hall. Some eras are just weak at one position or another. No question; just wanted to make that observation.
(GrinnellSteve from Grinnell)
Good point, except I think that it's an incorrect premise to suggest that Morris was the best of the '80s. Dave Stieb had much higher WARP totals and I believe rates as the best pitcher of his era, yet he had less exposure in terms of the postseason. (Jay Jaffe)
2010-08-02 13:30:00 (link to chat)Must admit that I was rooting hard for the Jays to trade Downs at the deadline, so that I no longer was confronted with the abomination of somebody else wearing Dave Stieb's uniform number (37). It's well past time for the Jays to retire the uniform number of their all-time leading pitcher. (Roy Halladay, you say? Never heard of him.)
(rowenbell from IL)
Ah, Rowen, you know how to hit a person smack in their nostalgia lobe, don't you. I do miss Dave Stieb, but there again, you're talking to somebody whose favorite pitcher of all time was Dave Stewart, and the A's can't retire his number, because they subsequently retired it for Rollie Fingers. (Christina Kahrl)
2009-10-13 14:00:00 (link to chat)Your thoughts on Jair Jurrjens' future please.
(Frug from UIUC)
There were some who thought his 2008 season would be his best; obviously, he chose to disagree. He suffers from some of the biases against "short" right-handers, and he isn't throwing any harder. Still, he outperformed Lowe (and Kawakami). It seems crazy that even before this season, two of his top comps were Greg Maddux and Dave Stieb, two of the best "short" right-handers of the past generation. It also suggests how extraordinary Jurrjens already is, which is where all the doubt comes from. Could he really be that good? I don't think we can say yes or no with anything like the same sort of authority as we can with more typical players. I'd take my chances with him, certainly. (Christina Kahrl)
2008-12-23 14:00:00 (link to chat)Merry Christmas Christina! What should the Blue Jays wish for under the Christmas tree?
(jerjapan from Toronto)
Three starting pitchers? Dave Stieb circa 1981 to step out of the wayback machine? Global warming to swallow up Boston and New York and St. Petersburg? Realignment? (Christina Kahrl)
2008-09-10 13:00:00 (link to chat)With the Jays on the noggin, who's going to be the first player into the HoF with a Blue Jays cap?
(Aaron from YYZ)
Rickey Henderson? Fred McGriff? Lyle Overbay? Maybe a successful VC campaign for Dave Stieb?

That's a stumper. I honestly don't know the answer. (Jay Jaffe)
2008-07-24 13:00:00 (link to chat)Ms. Kahrl, my favourite baseball writer. A few years ago we had slow-footed sluggers undervalued (and that was probably a long period, no?). Then, the As and others focused on the fragile and the defensively-gifted. Care to guess what type of talent teams might be passing over too quickly now? Or has that window closed more or less?
(Jim Clancy from Exhibition Stadium)
Ah, Mr. Clancy... is it wrong that I liked Dave Stieb better? (Hey, it isn't like I'm picking Luis Leal.) Anyway, I'd suggest that it's still "bad apples," because look what citizenship grades have done to the market value of Milton Bradley or Barry Bonds. Or Shawn Chacon. (Christina Kahrl)


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