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Career Summary
Years PA AVG OBP SLG TAv WARP
22 12712 .331 .417 .559 .206 57.3
Birth Date11-21-1920
Height6' 0"
Weight175 lbs
BatsL
ThrowsL
WARP Summary

Standard

YEAR TEAM AGE G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR TB BB SO HBP SF SH RBI SB CS AVG OBP SLG TAv VORP FRAA WARP
1941 SLN 20 12 49 47 8 20 4 0 1 27 2 1 0 0 7 1 .426 .449 .574 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1942 SLN 21 140 536 467 87 147 32 10 10 229 62 25 2 5 72 6 .315 .397 .490 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1943 SLN 22 157 701 617 108 220 48 20 13 347 72 18 2 10 81 9 .357 .425 .562 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1944 SLN 23 146 667 568 112 197 51 14 12 312 90 28 5 4 94 7 .347 .440 .549 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1946 SLN 25 156 702 624 124 228 50 20 16 366 73 31 3 2 103 7 .365 .434 .587 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1947 SLN 26 149 677 587 113 183 30 13 19 296 80 24 4 6 95 4 .312 .398 .504 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1948 SLN 27 155 694 611 135 230 46 18 39 429 79 34 3 1 131 7 .376 .450 .702 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1949 SLN 28 157 721 612 128 207 41 13 36 382 107 38 2 0 123 3 .338 .438 .624 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1950 SLN 29 146 645 555 105 192 41 7 28 331 87 36 3 0 109 5 .346 .437 .596 .343 51.7 -1.7 4.8
1951 SLN 30 152 678 578 124 205 30 12 32 355 98 40 1 1 108 4 5 .355 .449 .614 .362 57.7 4.6 6.4
1952 SLN 31 154 676 578 105 194 42 6 21 311 96 29 2 0 91 7 7 .336 .432 .538 .372 56.8 -2.7 5.9
1953 SLN 32 157 698 593 127 200 53 9 30 361 105 32 0 0 113 3 4 .337 .437 .609 .350 58.2 -2.0 5.7
1954 SLN 33 153 705 591 120 195 41 9 35 359 103 39 4 7 0 126 1 7 .330 .428 .607 .337 55.3 -3.1 5.5
1955 SLN 34 154 656 562 97 179 30 5 33 318 80 39 8 4 2 108 5 4 .319 .408 .566 .333 45.4 5.5 5.3
1956 SLN 35 156 682 594 87 184 33 6 27 310 75 39 3 7 3 109 2 0 .310 .386 .522 .300 37.9 -1.6 3.8
1957 SLN 36 134 579 502 82 176 38 3 29 307 66 34 2 8 1 102 1 1 .351 .422 .612 .355 59.8 3.5 6.7
1958 SLN 37 135 549 472 64 159 35 2 17 249 72 26 1 4 0 62 0 0 .337 .423 .528 .324 35.3 1.1 3.9
1959 SLN 38 115 404 341 37 87 13 2 14 146 60 25 0 3 0 44 0 2 .255 .364 .428 .277 11.3 -5.1 0.6
1960 SLN 39 116 378 331 49 91 17 1 17 161 41 34 2 4 0 63 1 1 .275 .354 .486 .294 19.5 -0.2 2.0
1961 SLN 40 123 431 372 46 107 22 4 15 182 52 35 1 6 0 70 0 0 .288 .371 .489 .296 23.2 -0.6 2.3
1962 SLN 41 135 505 433 57 143 18 1 19 220 64 46 3 5 0 82 3 0 .330 .416 .508 .313 39.1 -2.6 3.8
1963 SLN 42 124 379 337 34 86 10 2 12 136 35 43 2 5 0 58 2 0 .255 .325 .404 .264 9.0 -3.3 0.7
Career30261271210972194936307251774756134159969653533519517831.331.417.559.206560.2-7.957.3

Advanced

'opp' stats - Quality of opponents faced - have been moved and are available only as OPP_QUAL in the Statistics reports now.
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YEAR Team Lg G PA TAv oppAVG oppOBP oppSLG oppTAv BABIP BPF BRAA repLVL POS_ADJ FRAA BRR BVORP BWARP VORP WARP
1941 SLN MLB 12 49 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1942 SLN MLB 140 536 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1943 SLN MLB 157 701 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1944 SLN MLB 146 667 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1946 SLN MLB 156 702 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1947 SLN MLB 149 677 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1948 SLN MLB 155 694 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1949 SLN MLB 157 721 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
1950 SLN MLB 146 645 .343 .263 .332 .407 .263 .000 101 41.4 12.9 -5.4 -1.7 1.9 51.7 4.8 51.7 4.8
1951 SLN MLB 152 678 .362 .256 .324 .386 .265 .000 101 51.4 13.1 -4.9 4.6 -2.2 57.7 6.4 57.7 6.4
1952 SLN MLB 154 676 .372 .251 .315 .368 .265 .000 96 49.8 11.8 -0.9 -2.7 -1.9 56.8 5.9 56.8 5.9
1953 SLN MLB 157 698 .350 .265 .329 .412 .270 .000 101 47.9 13.9 -3.6 -2.0 0.5 58.2 5.7 58.2 5.7
1954 SLN MLB 153 705 .337 .264 .326 .405 .262 .305 104 46.7 15.9 -5.9 -3.1 -1.8 55.3 5.5 55.3 5.5
1955 SLN MLB 154 656 .333 .256 .321 .406 .259 .296 101 41.4 14.9 -8.5 5.5 -3.5 45.4 5.3 45.4 5.3
1956 SLN MLB 156 682 .300 .258 .319 .402 .258 .293 103 28.3 19.0 -10.3 -1.6 1.0 37.9 3.8 37.9 3.8
1957 SLN MLB 134 579 .355 .262 .318 .400 .263 .329 102 54.6 15.5 -9.9 3.5 -2.5 59.8 6.7 59.8 6.7
1958 SLN MLB 135 549 .324 .263 .324 .403 .264 .328 104 34.8 14.8 -9.3 1.1 -4.5 35.3 3.9 35.3 3.9
1959 SLN MLB 115 404 .277 .256 .316 .397 .260 .239 105 7.1 11.1 -6.6 -5.1 -0.4 11.3 0.6 11.3 0.6
1960 SLN MLB 116 378 .294 .252 .313 .384 .256 .261 106 12.8 10.2 -3.4 -0.2 -0.3 19.5 2.0 19.5 2.0
1961 SLN MLB 123 431 .296 .263 .324 .407 .261 .280 103 16.4 12.2 -2.7 -0.6 -2.9 23.2 2.3 23.2 2.3
1962 SLN MLB 135 505 .313 .261 .322 .390 .261 .332 105 27.7 14.1 -3.5 -2.6 -0.6 39.1 3.8 39.1 3.8
1963 SLN MLB 124 379 .264 .248 .303 .365 .257 .258 106 1.4 9.5 -2.1 -3.3 0.6 9.0 0.7 9.0 0.7

Statistics For All Levels

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Year Team Lg PA R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG ISO TAv VORP FRAA WARP
1941 SLN MLB 49 8 20 4 0 1 7 2 1 1 .426 .449 .574 .149 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1942 SLN MLB 536 87 147 32 10 10 72 62 25 6 .315 .397 .490 .176 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1943 SLN MLB 701 108 220 48 20 13 81 72 18 9 .357 .425 .562 .206 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1944 SLN MLB 667 112 197 51 14 12 94 90 28 7 .347 .440 .549 .202 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1946 SLN MLB 702 124 228 50 20 16 103 73 31 7 .365 .434 .587 .221 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1947 SLN MLB 677 113 183 30 13 19 95 80 24 4 .312 .398 .504 .193 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1948 SLN MLB 694 135 230 46 18 39 131 79 34 7 .376 .450 .702 .326 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1949 SLN MLB 721 128 207 41 13 36 123 107 38 3 .338 .438 .624 .286 .000 0.0 0.0 0.0
1950 SLN MLB 645 105 192 41 7 28 109 87 36 5 .346 .437 .596 .250 .343 51.7 -1.7 4.8
1951 SLN MLB 678 124 205 30 12 32 108 98 40 4 5 .355 .449 .614 .260 .362 57.7 4.6 6.4
1952 SLN MLB 676 105 194 42 6 21 91 96 29 7 7 .336 .432 .538 .202 .372 56.8 -2.7 5.9
1953 SLN MLB 698 127 200 53 9 30 113 105 32 3 4 .337 .437 .609 .272 .350 58.2 -2.0 5.7
1954 SLN MLB 705 120 195 41 9 35 126 103 39 1 7 .330 .428 .607 .277 .337 55.3 -3.1 5.5
1955 SLN MLB 656 97 179 30 5 33 108 80 39 5 4 .319 .408 .566 .247 .333 45.4 5.5 5.3
1956 SLN MLB 682 87 184 33 6 27 109 75 39 2 0 .310 .386 .522 .212 .300 37.9 -1.6 3.8
1957 SLN MLB 579 82 176 38 3 29 102 66 34 1 1 .351 .422 .612 .261 .355 59.8 3.5 6.7
1958 SLN MLB 549 64 159 35 2 17 62 72 26 0 0 .337 .423 .528 .191 .324 35.3 1.1 3.9
1959 SLN MLB 404 37 87 13 2 14 44 60 25 0 2 .255 .364 .428 .173 .277 11.3 -5.1 0.6
1960 SLN MLB 378 49 91 17 1 17 63 41 34 1 1 .275 .354 .486 .211 .294 19.5 -0.2 2.0
1961 SLN MLB 431 46 107 22 4 15 70 52 35 0 0 .288 .371 .489 .202 .296 23.2 -0.6 2.3
1962 SLN MLB 505 57 143 18 1 19 82 64 46 3 0 .330 .416 .508 .178 .313 39.1 -2.6 3.8
1963 SLN MLB 379 34 86 10 2 12 58 35 43 2 0 .255 .325 .404 .148 .264 9.0 -3.3 0.7

Plate Discipline

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Injury History

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This article requires BP Premium accessThe View from the Loge Level: Ode to JoeDaron Sutton2014-07-25
This article requires BP Premium accessPebble Hunting: The Baseball Bloodlines ProjectSam Miller2014-06-04
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Prospectus Hit and Run: The Curious Case of Freddie LindstromJay Jaffe2013-03-06
Baseball ProGUESTus: The Secret Life of the American BallplayerMichael Clair2013-03-05
This article requires BP Premium accessIn A Pickle: Not All Stars Are All-StarsJason Wojciechowski2013-02-14
Inside The Park: The Man of MissouriBradford Doolittle2013-01-21
The Week in Quotes: January 14-20Hudson Belinsky2013-01-21
The Week in Quotes: January 14-20Andrew Koo2013-01-21
The Week in Quotes: January 14-20Jonah Birenbaum2013-01-21
Wezen-Ball: Earl Weaver & Stan Musial, TogetherLarry Granillo2013-01-19
Wezen-Ball: The Life of Babe Ruth, IllustratedLarry Granillo2012-12-20
This article requires BP Premium accessRaising Aces: Bush League: Shelby Miller and Trevor RosenthalDoug Thorburn2012-11-16
Wezen-Ball: "Skyfall" and Baseball's Golden AgeLarry Granillo2012-11-12
Overthinking It: What Chipper Jones' Retirement Gifts Were For: A Short Story (Updated)Ben Lindbergh2012-11-02
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Prospectus Hit and Run: JAWS Chews on Some Cooked OutfieldersJay Jaffe2012-06-29
This article requires BP Premium accessOverthinking It: Adam Jones' Unusual BreakoutBen Lindbergh2012-06-01
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Baseball ProGUESTus: Splat AlbertMatt Welch2012-05-08
The Lineup Card: 10 Favorite Player/Executive AttributesBaseball Prospectus2012-04-18
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The Lineup Card: 10 Undeservedly Obscure Baseball FilmsBaseball Prospectus2012-02-01
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The Lineup Card: 11 Ballplayers Who Suffered Unusual DemisesBaseball Prospectus2011-11-17
Resident Fantasy Genius: Q&A with Brian KennyDerek Carty2011-11-07
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The Lineup Card: The Top 13 Veterans Committee Selections That Weren't THAT BadBaseball Prospectus2011-07-20
The BP Wayback Machine: Un-StarsJames Click2011-06-30
Wezen-Ball: Arguing Baseball's Best PlayersLarry Granillo2011-06-14
Wezen-Ball: The Passing of a GreatLarry Granillo2011-05-18
Spitballing: Trading PlacesJeremy Greenhouse2011-04-07
Wezen-Ball: The History of the "Greatest Living Ballplayer"Larry Granillo2011-03-17
BP Unfiltered: PECOTA looks at Jimmy BallgameColin Wyers2011-02-04
Prospectus Q&A: Bill Monbouquette, Part TwoDavid Laurila2011-02-01
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BP Unfiltered: The Paper Trail of June 30John Perrotto2010-06-30
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BP Chats

DateQuestionAnswer
2013-03-19 13:00:00 (link to chat)I'm biased, but the current White Sox cap is perfect. Pair that with the home white pinstripe uniforms and you have gold. Also, the Cardinals uniforms with the birds on the bat is fantastic.
(Justin from Chicago)
Two good options. The Cardinals uniform always makes me think of Stan Musial. Do you know how crazy good he was? In 1948 he had an OPS+ of 200. I mean, what? (Matthew Kory)
2011-05-12 13:00:00 (link to chat)I want to combine your baseball card article (excellent) today and your Peanuts knowledge and ask you an important question: Did you ever buy $5 worth of bubble gum cards to get that special Joe Shlabotnik card only to fail and your friend Lucy buy one pack and get the card? And if so, what was on the back of that special Joe Shlabotnik card?
(jhardman from Apex, NC)
Ha! Not exactly.

My brothers and I did buy a lot of 1988 Donruss cards, though. I'm sure there were a number of times that they ended up getting pieces to that darn Stan Musial puzzle that I wanted, though. I was pretty proud of that Roberto Alomar rookie card, too. (Larry Granillo)
2008-11-14 13:00:00 (link to chat)This is completely random, but.... Am I wrong in thinking that Joe DiMaggio is one of the most inappropriately worshipped superstars from baseball history? Maybe I've only read one side of the story, but when I think of Joey D., I think of wife-beating, mob slush funds, and poor treatment of his teammates. Also, the numbers don't even support him being the best player during his career - that would be Ted Williams or Stan Musial. I don't know if I'm being unfairly biased as a Red Sox fan, so I'm curious what your opinion of the man is.
(RedSoxWoo77 from Plymouth, MA)
Obviously, not being 65 years old, I didn't see Joe D play. There's a very good book by Robert Creamer that has gone by a couple of names - I read it as "Baseball in '41," but it has another title now. The thesis, and this seems right to me, is that DiMaggio wasn't terribly popular when he first came up, especially because he was a frequently injured, regular holdout, but that the timing of The Streak, coming when it did with the world in a very tense spot, really did something to translate him in the public mind from just another selfish ballplayer into something mystical. As for specific comps to Musial and Williams, they were more selective hitters, but if you put them in the same park and give DiMag credit for being an excellent defensive CF when the other two were just so-so corner guys, I think the differences start to disappear. (Steven Goldman)
2008-10-06 14:00:00 (link to chat)What will the clowns say when Rickey Henderson isn't voted in unanimously? He might be one of the 25 best EVER.
(Robert from DC)
They'll cite the holdout, the "selfishness," the two strikes. They'll cite the speech, pulling a single quote out of context. Probably some reference to his attitude. No mention of his love for baseball. None.
Rickey Henderson is right there with Stan Musial among the most underrated players in baseball history. (Joe Sheehan)
2008-07-24 13:00:00 (link to chat)Joe Posnanski made a good case for Stan Musial as one of the best living ballplayers the other day... where is he on your list?
(BL from Bozeman, MT)
Where's Jay Jaffe when I need him? I don't keep lists like this, but it would definitely be behind Willie Mays. It isn't like it's ever going to be an Olympic event, where Musial's got to stand around on a podium and subsequently explain his disappointment for getting the bronze behind Mike Schmidt or Frank Robinson or something. Maybe I'm being lazy, but Mays seems like a solid enough selection for an off-the-cuff answer. ;) (Christina Kahrl)
2008-01-08 14:00:00 (link to chat)So I have to say I don't quite understand the Raines HOF love around these parts (although I guess better that than more Rice love.) He was a very good player with a couple of great years and he did all the little things yeah yeah, but basically we are talking about seven at best good/great years and a bunch of filler. He was a good basestealer and an onbase threat, but he wasn't a fantastic defender and he didn't have much power despite playing a position where you usually like to see some. That doesn't seem like a HOF shoe in at all, but rather marginal at best. Obv the Hall is filled with many such characters (and a number of well below marginal ones), but is adding one more really something we want to make a big cause celeb over?
(Alex from SF, CA)
Raines had more than a couple of great years. He's one of the top 10 LFs of all time. compares quite favorably to the average HOF LF in terms of his value at his peak and over the course of his career. He was every little bit as valuable as Tony Gwynn both at his peak and over the coursse of his career due to his ability to get on base and to advance himself.

From the JAWS piece I wrote:

"According to JAWS, Raines compares quite favorably to the average Hall of Fame left fielder, breezing past both career and peak benchmarks. By this measure he ranks as the ninth-best left fielder of all time, behind Barry Bonds, Stan Musial, Rickey Henderson, Ted Williams, Pete Rose, Jim O'Rourke, Ed Delahanty, and Carl Yastrzemski--some pretty fair ballplayers. If that sounds crazy, consider that the New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract ranked Raines eighth back in 2001, calling him the second-most valuable leadoff hitter in history, behind only Henderson. If you weren't around for it, he was that good. Raines' overall WARP score ranks 81st all-time, 62nd among hitters. His peak score ranks 122nd all-time, 91st among hitters, and his JAWS is 88th all-time, 67th among hitters. If those numbers sound low, consider that the Hall of Fame contains 198 players whose major league careers we can measure via this method (i.e., non Negro-Leaguers or late-career crossovers like Satchel Paige and Monte Irvin), and historical estimates suggest we're witnessing another 30 or so Hall of Famers currently active."

For the rest of the piece please see here: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7007 (Jay Jaffe)


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