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October 18, 2013
by Ben Carsley
Dodgers (Clayton Kershaw) vs. Cardinals (Michael Wacha) – 8:30 PM EST
PECOTA Odds of Winning: Dodgers 53.6%, Cardinals 46.4%
Dodgers vs. Wacha (R)
Cardinals vs. Kershaw (L)
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How did this narrative arise that the Dodgers are fun and loose and flashy and the Cardinals are stodgy, button-down, and moralizing? There was one extremely mild comment by Carlos Beltran about Yasiel Puig, and that's it (the beef btw Wainwright and Gonzalez had nothing to do with celebrating). But in poking fun at this drummed-up media narrative, respectable guys like Ben Carsley, Ben Lindbergh, and Jonah Keri are perpetuating it. It's all very weird.
Yeah, Ben Carsley really seems to prefer the Dodgers. Which is fine, But I would expect a BP author to be unbiased, this is something I would read from a beat writer. Although it seemed like a quality analysis of game six, stating your opinion that the Dodgers are fun-loving and ever-exciting and the Cardinals are stodgy and holier-than-thou unfortunately, doesn't lead me to think that this was a quality preview from an unbiased observer. It simply turns the focus of the series to a narrative about the character of the teams, kinda like a beat writer would do.
Ben was being sarcastic, as the line immediately after that makes clear.
It just didn't register I guess, crappy reading comprehension on my part. It seems like this narrative is all were reading or hearing about with this series, BP is usually the place to get away from it. Apologies to Ben.
Ben is clearly using sarcastic language when he refers to the "ever-exciting" Dodgers and the "holier-than-thou" Cardinals, but I took it to mean that he was signing off on that same dichotomy, just talking about it in an exaggerated way. After all, talking about the Cardinals as the paragon of all that is sportsmanlike, defenders against moral decline, is the very language critics are using to trash the Cardinals. So maybe I'm missing something too, but I still find it very fuzzily worded.
You're missing the next sentence, I think. Ben is mocking the idea of ascribing morality to baseball teams.
I will have to take your word for it (b/c it reads as if supporters of that dopey "Cardinals Way" are the ones ascribing morality, and as such Ben is taking sides against it). But again, if he meant otherwise I'm fine with that.
I mean, he says the opposite thing in the next sentence, so I don't see why you would think he's taking either stance. Ben can answer for himself if he sees this, but it didn't cross my mind that he might be endorsing either position. I think we're all more interested in the baseball than we are the narratives about the baseball.
Sorry, Ben, but I agree with buck gunn; Ben C's references to the Cards are critical in both paragraphs. I'm subjective in this regard, granted, since I'm a Cardinals fan, but I thought those paragraphs were one-sided and didn't catch the ribbing of the Dodgers. I missed when the Cards added Brian McCann to the post-season roster.
Apologies for the confusion this has caused, but Ben L. has it right. This was indeed supposed to be laden with sarcasm, and I don't see how calling the Dodgers "the essence of America's moral decline" can be taken as an anti-Cardinals statement. I have no rooting interest in this series or in the "controversy" that surrounds it.
Sheesh! So defensive. Don't take everything so seriously.
Thank you for providing Exhibit A as to why some Cardinals fans deserve serious mocking....
Auggie? Auggie? Is that you, Auggie Busch?
I'm a big Cards fan but it's hard to argue with PECOTA here. It should be a very good game.
Small edit to make: ...."holier-than-thou Cardinals to force a Game Five" should be "Game Six".
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