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October 1, 2012

BP Daily Podcast

Effectively Wild Episode 53: Is the Second Wild Card Working?/Explaining Mainstream Screeds Against Advanced Stats

by Ben Lindbergh and Sam Miller

Ben and Sam discuss whether the second wild card has made the stretch run more exciting, then talk about why papers publish columns that criticize advanced stats without making an effort to understand them.

Episode 53: "Is the Second Wild Card Working?/Explaining Mainstream Screeds Against Advanced Stats"

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Ben Lindbergh is an author of Baseball Prospectus. 
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Ric Size

Good discussion today. Both topics were well covered.

Oct 01, 2012 10:00 AM
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pobothecat

I really, really wish you guys would've named names here.
As Sam points out, we all have to choose which people-smarter-than-us we can trust. Big part of that is knowing which ones we can't.

Anyone else want to point out the column(s) in question here?

Enjoyed the "editors no longer exist" point. One of those things I really should've known but didn't.

Oct 01, 2012 13:33 PM
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BP staff member Ben Lindbergh
BP staff

Here's a link to the Sean Forman Baseball-Reference post I mentioned. He points to a pair of examples.

Oct 01, 2012 13:37 PM
 
rwinter

how upset was the "Reds-Guy" that Homer Bailey wasn't even mentioned?

Oct 01, 2012 15:07 PM
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BP staff member Ben Lindbergh
BP staff

I think we'll say something about that tonight.

Oct 01, 2012 15:09 PM
 
Ric Size

I'm all for naming names at this point. It advances the cause much faster when there is accountability. Thanks for the link, Ben.

Understanding the numbers is essential if you are covering baseball. If a writer refuses to at least make an attempt at understanding the numbers, then he/she isn't taking their profession seriously. Therefore, we the intelligent readers will refuse to take them seriously.

Oct 01, 2012 15:14 PM
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BP staff member Ben Lindbergh
BP staff

Yeah, it's not so much that I wanted to protect their identities--when you write for a large audience, you pretty much give up your right to privacy as a professional. It's more that I wanted the focus to be on the phenomenon itself rather than saying "So-and-so is stupid." I figured people would come up with ways to find out if they really wanted to know. And you did! So that worked out well.

Oct 01, 2012 15:50 PM
 
Ric Size

Because you sent a link that mentioned names.

Oct 01, 2012 17:21 PM
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