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August 16, 2012

On the Beat

A Clubhouse Scorned

by John Perrotto

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Maybe this is the solution for the Red Sox: Place an emergency call to Popeye's for fried chicken with a side order of red beans and rice, and have it sent to the home clubhouse at Fenway Park. Fried chicken and beer became part of a scandal in Red Sox Nation in the wake of last season's historic collapse, during which the Red Sox blow a sure post-season berth in September while the starting pitchers sat in the cramped Fenway clubhouse eating, drinking, and playing video games when it wasn't their turn in the rotation.

Though the Red Sox were losing on a daily basis at the end of last season, it is hard to believe their clubhouse was as disharmonious as their current ones. A lot of details of their current discord came out in this story by Yahoo! Sports' Jeff Passan. After visiting the Red Sox' clubhouse last Thursday before and after a loss to the Indians in Cleveland, “toxic” would be a mild word to describe the atmosphere.

I have had the privilege of visiting clubhouses for a quarter century, but I have never experienced an atmosphere rivaling the aftermath of the Red Sox' loss. Most of the players sat at their lockers silently, holding a beer in their hand. Another group sat at a round table in the middle of the clubhouse, picking at a post-game dinner. Right-hander John Lackey, who’s on the DL, was eating an ear of corn big enough to win a blue ribbon at the county fair. While Lackey attacked the corn, he glared at the Red Sox' beat reporters, who were quietly waiting for anyone willing to talk about the game.

Things were nearly as tense in the manager's office both before and after the game. The usually loquacious Bobby Valentine gave a lot of one-word answers and seemed weary, the type of weary you sense from someone wondering if his first season on the job after replacing Terry Francona will be his last. Perhaps it was just one loss too many in a season highlighted primarily by injuries, controversy, and disharmony, all of which have the Red Sox sitting on the wrong side of .500 at 57-61 and possibly headed toward their first losing season since 1997.

There was a brief exchange I had with Valentine:

Me: Do you think your club has a run in it, where it can reel off a decent-sized winning streak?

Bobby V: Yes.

Me: Why do you think that?

Bobby V: Because we're due.

Me: Would if help if David Ortiz gets healthy and rejoins the lineup soon?

Bobby V: Hope so.

That certainly went nowhere, and it was also difficult to get any of the Red Sox players' thoughts on the matter beyond left-hander Felix Doubront and utilityman Pedro Ciriaco. And let's face it, nobody is interested in what Doubrount and Ciriaco think. It was clear none of Boston’s players wanted anything to do with the media before or after the game. When a group of reporters approached second baseman Dustin Pedroia at his locker after the game and did not immediately ask a question, he stormed out of the room while yelling a stream of profanities. To his credit, Pedroia has always been a standup guy and apologized as I walked past him in the tunnel way outside the clubhouse.

The Red Sox, to be fair, have rarely had their full team together this season. Left fielder Carl Crawford and center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury both missed large chunks of time because of injury, and Ortiz has been out with a strained Achilles tendon. Third baseman Kevin Youkilis struggled with injuries early in the season, had his commitment to the game questioned by Valentine—which absolutely destroyed the manager's credibility in the clubhouse—and was dealt to the White Sox to make room for impressive rookie Will Middlebrooks. Now Middlebrooks is injured after breaking his wrist last weekend.

It hasn't helped that neither left-hander Jon Lester nor right-hander Josh Beckett has pitched like an ace. Lester showed promise last Sunday, though, when he struck out 12 Indians in six innings.

"For me, Beckett isn't a No. 1 starter anymore," one scout said. "I know he is still perceived to be that kind of pitcher, but his stuff isn't what it used to be. He was ridden very hard early in his career, and that odometer in his arm has rolled over. He doesn't have a great arm anymore, and he's not the type of pitcher who is going to be as successful if he doesn't have his good stuff. He's not exactly the thinking man's pitcher."

Said the same scout about Lester: "I don't know what Lester's problem is, but he's not the Lester of old. He doesn't look comfortable on the mound, and I don't know if that's either because he's hurt and not telling anyone, if he's distracted by something, or if he's just sick of the whole situation in Boston. For me, he's a guy who needs a change of scenery."

Despite all their problems and being 13.5 games behind the Yankees in the American League East, the Red Sox are still at least have a puncher's chance at one of the league's two wild card spots. The Red Sox enter Thursday 6 1/2 games out of the second wild card slot. However, the Baseball Prospectus Odds Report isn't very sure of the Red Sox' post-season hopes, giving them just a 5.9 percent chance of making it to October.

The scout who has seen the Red Sox extensively this year isn't counting on seeing them play past the end of the regular season, saying, "I don't see any way they make it. They are a train wreck. It starts in the manager's office and carries over to the clubhouse. That's just the off-the-field stuff. On the field, they're just not good. They truly are a case of being what they are: a .500 ballclub."

A player who recently played with the Red Sox and keeps in touch with some of his old teammates also offers a bleak forecast: "I don't care what they're saying publicly (in light of the Yahoo! Sports story); those guys hate playing for Bobby Valentine. Management really made a bad decision when they hired him. You're taking a veteran team that played for the best player's manager in the game in (Francona) and replacing him with a guy who threw the most-respected player in that clubhouse under the bus? There's no way that is every going to work."

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A few minutes with Padres manager Bud Black

On the importance of retaining closer Huston Street and left fielder Carlos Quentin with contract extensions rather than trading them: "I think the media was a little bit aggressive with the trade report. I'm sure our general manager, Josh Byrnes, talked to a lot of other general managers about both players because I'm sure a lot of other clubs would want Huston and Carlos. However, it was never our intention to trade either one. Even though it's the first year for both of them with us, they made it clear very early on that they enjoyed playing here, liked the Padres' way of doing things, and let it be known to Josh through their agents that they would like to find a way to make it work so they could stay in San Diego. I think it says a lot for both players that they wanted to stay here, it says a lot for Josh that he was able to work out contracts with both of them, and it says a lot for where we're at as an organization that quality major-league players want to play for the San Diego Padres."

On how the Padres have benefitted from the off-season trade in which they sent right-hander Mat Latos to the Reds for right-hander Edinson Volquez, reliever Brad Boxberger, catcher Yasmani Grandal, and first baseman Yonder Alonso: "It was difficult to give up a talented young pitcher like Mat, but I think the way you judge a trade is if both sides are happy, and both sides are. The Reds have a guy at the top of their rotation doing everything they expected from him. We got depth, which we really needed, and a volume of good players. We got a pitcher to replace Mat in the rotation, we got a catcher and first baseman who we feel can become integral parts of the lineup, and a relief pitcher with big upside. It's not every day you get four players who can help you in the same trade, and we're already feeling the impact of it in a positive way."

On the Padres showing improvement as the season has gone on: "We've played very good ball since the All-Star break, and it reminds a little bit of 2009 when we played really well after the break, then had the good first half in 2010 and just missed making the playoffs. We made some changes in the middle of the diamond (playing Everth Cabrera at shortstop and Alexi Amarista at second base), and our pitching staff and has really solidified this team. I really believe we're on the right track here to be very competitive again."

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Scouts' views

Brewers left fielder Ryan Braun: "He really looks like he's out of gas, and I can't help but wonder why. I'll leave it at that."

Rockies right-hander Tyler Chatwood: "He looks a lot more comfortable than he did the other times he was in the major leagues. He is much more aggressive. He's going after hitters and attacking the strike zone, and he's having success."

Braves first baseman Freddie Freeman: "He's a pretty good hitter now, but he would be even better if he were more patient. He goes through stretches where he gets jumpy at the plate and swings at the first pitch, whether it's a good one to hit or not. He needs to tighten up his approach."

Blue Jays third baseman Adeiny Hecheverria: "They're playing him out of position right now at third base, but he's going to be a heckuva shortstop once Yunel Escobar is gone at the end of this year. The kid can really play defense. He's got the range, the feet, the hands, and the arm, and he's got a little more pop in his bat than you think."

Mets right-hander Matt Harvey: "He's got great stuff. He needs some polish and he'll go through some growing pains, but you're talking about a potential No. 1 starter here. There's a lot of upside."

Indians right-hander Ubaldo Jimenez: "It seems like most of the time he wants to be anywhere in the world but on the mound. He doesn't give 100 percent very often. He's become an embarrassment to himself with his lack of focus and effort."

Cardinals right-hander Joe Kelly: "I liked what he did during his time in the rotation. He looks like he is someone they are going to be able to count on as a starter in the years to come."

Phillies right-hander Kyle Kendrick: "He's so hard to figure out. He looks so bad at times that you wonder if he can even pitch in long relief at the major-league level. Then he'll turn around and pitch a really good game and you think he has the upside of a No. 3 starter. The Phillies aren't playing for anything this year, so they can take a good, long look at him and see where he fits into their future."

Yankees right-hander Hiroki Kuroda: "He has quietly been a lifesaver for the Yankees this season. He's been solid all year and spectacular at times. I'd feel very comfortable lining him up behind CC Sabathia in a playoff series."

Twins outfielder Darin Mastroianni: "He's been a bright spot for the Twins. He's become a good bench player. He can get the occasional hit, steal a base, and play pretty decent defense. He'd really help a National League team out."

Blue Jays catcher Jeff Mathis: "I know it's easy to laugh about him getting a two-year, $3-million extension, but it's really not out of line for what he is—a solid No. 2 catcher. A lot of teams would take him under those terms."

Diamondbacks left-hander Wade Miley: "What I really like about him is that he has no fear. He works fast, goes right after hitters, and isn't afraid to throw his breaking pitch in any count. He pitches like a guy who is wise beyond his years."

Tigers shortstop Jhonny Peralta: "That he's been batting fifth is an indictment of how disappointing the Tigers have been this season. He's a complementary player, not a middle-of-the-order guy."

Rays first baseman Carlos Pena: "It's really tough to watch him. He looks lost in the plate, and he's no longer a plus defender for me. He looks like a guy at the end of the road."

Orioles first baseman Mark Reynolds: "It's easy to say the Orioles should give up on him, but you just don't find that many players with the type of raw power he has. Power is the scarcest commodity in the game today."

Reds third baseman Scott Rolen: "I've got to believe this is his last year. He can't stay on the field anymore. It's a shame. He's had a good career and he's a real pro, but his body has just completely broken down."

Mariners first baseman Justin Smoak: "Maybe I'm just stubborn and blind, but I still think there's something there with this guy. I still think he has the makings of a good major-league hitter."

Cubs right-hander Chris Volstad: "When does the point come when it becomes apparent to everyone that this guy isn't a big-league starting pitcher? Whatever confidence he ever had—and it was never much—has been totally shot, and I think the best thing now would be to try him as reliever and see if you can salvage something out of him in the bullpen."

Astros first baseman Brett Wallace: "There is no doubt he can hit, but I'd like to see what he could do if he'd get in better shape. He's at a point in his career where he needs to start taking it more seriously and get in shape, or he's going to be out of the league."

Nationals right fielder Jayson Werth: "I appreciate him being a gamer and trying to be on the field every day after missing all that time with the broken wrist, but he can barely move on that bad right ankle. There's a fine line between being a gamer and hurting your team, and I think he's on the verge of crossing it."

Rangers designated hitter Michael Young: "One of Ron Washington's strong points is being loyal to his players, but I don't how he can keep hitting this guy in the middle of the lineup. I understand taking a patient approach, but at this time of year you have to go with the hot hand, and he definitely isn't the hot hand."

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Front office types' views

Angels: "For as bad as they've looked the last couple of weeks, I'd still be shocked if they didn't make the playoffs. If they don't make it, that'll be the best team in a long time that didn't play in October."

Athletics: "They seem to be running out of steam. They've played as hard as they could for a long time, but you can see their guys are just worn out."

Dodgers: "There is a really good vibe with that team. You can tell they have a lot of confidence and a lot of chemistry. I thought adding Hanley Ramirez might screw things up there, but he's been on his best behavior and playing his ass off."

Giants: "Losing Melky Cabrera to the 50-game drug suspension is a big blow, but I don’t think it's a killer blow. The Giants are always very resourceful. They find a way to get things done, which is a reflection of Brian Sabean and Bruce Bochy."

Marlins: "That's a total mess. They're not going to be able to move Heath Bell's contract this winter. They've got guys who clearly don't want to play for Ozzie. They're hard to watch beyond Giancarlo Stanton. Ugh."

Pirates: "They've played a little bit over their heads this season and it's starting to catch up to them now, but they've come a long way in a couple of years. They're at least putting legitimate big-league players on the field, and they're trying to win. They've got a ways to go still, but they're on the right track."

Royals: "I really like their lineup a lot, and it's only to get better as some of their hitters mature. That being said, they absolutely have to go out and get some starting pitching in the offseason or they are going to do nothing but lose again next year."

White Sox manager Robin Ventura:"Everyone talks about how his personality has made a big difference in Chicago because he's the anti-Ozzie, but he's a very good strategist. I'm impressed with the way he runs a game, especially considering he had never managed before this season."

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This week's Must Read is a cute story for the New York Daily News by a pair of friends who used to hitch rides to Yankee Stadium during their teenage years with Phil Rizzuto when the late Hall of Fame shortstop was a Yankees broadcaster.

John Perrotto is an author of Baseball Prospectus. 
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John Geer
(44)

"Bobby V: Because we're due."

Oy vey.

Aug 16, 2012 04:30 AM
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harderj

"Most of the players sat at their lockers silently, holding a beer in their hand."

This was the sentence that got me, since I remembered that Bobby V. had issued a ban. But when I looked it up I saw that the ban was only for the home clubhouse and "on the last leg of a road trip."

What a strange policy...

Aug 16, 2012 05:03 AM
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judyblum

I think it's not that unusual, and reasonable. No beer when they're going to be driving, but they can when it's provided by the home team and they're being driven to a hotel for the night.

Aug 16, 2012 05:32 AM
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harderj

Excellent points, thanks.

Aug 16, 2012 06:06 AM
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evo34

I don't agree about it being reasonable at all. You're an elite athlete (in theory). You're getting paid tens of millions of dollars to be in peak physical and mental form. Would it kill you to lay off beer for six months a year? You have from age 40 till death to drink as much beer as you please. I happen to love beer, and drink it regularly. I would, however, like to think I have the shred of self-control needed to not drink it less than 24 hours before I was about to be paid ~$50,000 to perform athletically for three hours as well as I possibly could.

Aug 16, 2012 23:18 PM
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BillJohnson

Rather a cheap shot at Ryan Braun that your one unnamed source made. I am no Braun fan, and no Brewers fan, but come on, he's not the only guy who's running out of steam as the end of the season approaches.

Aug 16, 2012 06:42 AM
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Bob Stocking

But that's the point, isn't it? Last season he didn't run out of steam when others did.

Aug 16, 2012 09:31 AM
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jsherman
(139)

Two homers off Lee tonight beg to differ

Aug 16, 2012 20:11 PM
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BarryR

Maybe he's just tired from carrying a team on his back and having them drop out of the race. He took a day off and promptly hit 2 homers. It's the kind of cheap innuendo that demeans both the quoted and the quoter.

Aug 17, 2012 13:38 PM
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chartjes
(897)

Yunel Escobar is under contract for the next few years, so that comment about him being "gone at the end of the year" is mis-informed.

Aug 16, 2012 06:52 AM
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Cromulent

It's not the first time I've heard that. I think they want to move Escobar and will be aggressive in getting it done.

Aug 16, 2012 07:27 AM
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pobothecat

Pirates-bound?

Aug 16, 2012 14:08 PM
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ddufourlogger

I have heard several rumors about moving him. He'd be a good trade chip, as he can obviously be a MLB starter for almost anyone. And they have Hecheverria ready. I see a trade for a pitcher this winter.

Aug 17, 2012 11:20 AM
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surfdent48

Pitching scared for the very bad Marlins and bad Cubs with a history of abyssmal run support is what has shot the confidence of Chris Volstad to this point. His remaining 9 starts will dictate his future.

Aug 16, 2012 07:22 AM
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eighteen

Why would Volstad ever have any confidence? He's always been a pitch to contact flyballer with little stuff and iffy control. In old Marlins park, that made for a slightly below-league-average pitcher. In Wrigley, it's a disaster.

Not that it's Volstad's fault. No one in their right mind would think he'd be any good in a Cubs uniform. I understand Epstein's desire to unload Zambrano, but if you're still gonna pay most of the guy's salary, at least get something useful in return.

Aug 17, 2012 00:33 AM
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surfdent48

Volstad has decent control and is a GROUND ball pitcher with average stuff. His lack of confidence is due to the way the young 25 year old had been handled by the Marlins the past 3 years and a history of terrible run support. No wonder his confidence is gone. With the Cubs it seems obvious he had been suffering from the "trying too hard" syndrome for his new crummy team. The Cubs have attempted to "fix" him mentally, as Sveum says, with the now completed 12 game stint in AAA working with the team sports psychologist. Since his return he has 2 of 3 quality starts, but with abyssmal run support. The streak will likely continue as Latos will face the Cubs next. With 9 more starts we'll see what happens. If they do fix him the future will show this as a good trade for the Cubs.

Aug 17, 2012 07:25 AM
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mikebuetow

Two thoughts on the Red Sox stuff.

First, the players brought the management change (and all the subsequent rules, be they overkill or not) on themselves. If they win games, nothing else matters. But they didn't win.

Second, while I expect the mainstream press to use anonymous quotes as a way to stir up controversy, I regard BP as more of a thinking man's site. I can handle seeing an anonymous scout's take on a player. But the anonymous former Red Sox player piling on just isn't worth paying for, IMO.

My 2 cents.

Aug 16, 2012 07:24 AM
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pobothecat

Disagree with point two. The mission of BP isn't to adhere to the Times Book of Standards. It's to get us closer to the truth of things.

That being said, the player's comments are as obnoxious as the team he used to play for.

Aug 16, 2012 14:25 PM
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mikebuetow

I agree about the difference in standards. But my position is that BP's should be higher. Isn't the goal here to get at the truth using facts, not just sell papers?

Say the player quoted was Youkilis. Wouldn't that color the perception of the comments? Or Papelbon? Same thing. There's a bias that strongly influences whatever claim is being made.

Aug 16, 2012 14:53 PM
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Sean

You always have to take anonymous comments with a grain of salt, but you have to trust John, who has a lot of access, experience, and sources, to filter the comments with his best judgement. He likely feels that they give shades of the truth that wouldn't be revealed if not for granting anonymity.

Any anonymous quote could have the issue you cite -- that includes the scout/executive comments seen in several columns across BP. It's an industry where few people will say anything of interest with their names next to it. Give it the weight you wish, but I'd rather make that determination myself.

Aug 16, 2012 17:41 PM
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mikebuetow

Again, I agree about the relative worth of the anon comments, but the thing is, it's far less common for media to repeat anon comments that are *complimentary* toward a teammate, manager or executive.

In reality, more weight (certainly by the MSM but I see it creeping in here too) seems to be given to the negative comments, and it's impossible for them not to affect our perception, proverbial grain of salt or not. It's like we are looking for the bad in people. I just don't see the point. It becomes a race to the bottom.

Anyway, it's easy enough to ignore on ESPN. I just wish it wasn't happening here, too.


Aug 17, 2012 11:11 AM
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Behemoth

The only problem with what you are saying is that many of the anonymous comments are actually positive. Given that, and the fact that the real choice is between having the anonymous comments and having no comments at all, it seems clear that having the anonymous comments is far better.

Aug 20, 2012 07:14 AM
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redsox2011

An ex-player said "I don't care what they're saying publicly (in light of the Yahoo! Sports story); those guys hate playing for Bobby Valentine. Management really made a bad decision when they hired him. You're taking a veteran team that played for the best player's manager in the game in (Francona) and replacing him with a guy who threw the most-respected player in that clubhouse under the bus? There's no way that is every going to work.">>>>And after Francona was fired Jon Lester said...” Terry Francona wasn’t the right guy for the job anymore, that “[his] authority [was] no longer there” and that the Red Sox “needed more structure” in the clubhouse.”..They threw Francona under the bus..A bunch of hypocrites.

Aug 16, 2012 08:54 AM
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ddufourlogger

As mikebuetow and several others have opined, the bottom line is simple enough: They're not winning, and they have the team to be winning. Maybe they need to break it all up and start over. There are a LOT of expensive contracts on that team and not a lot of them are going to be earning that money as they continue to age. Personally, I think the Carl Crawford signing was just a bad baseball deal. Way too much money for way too long for a guy who was most likely past his best years. He's the new Alfonso Soriano. (And yes I know he can play better D in his sleep than Soriano...I am comparing albatross contracts).

Aug 17, 2012 11:35 AM
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sandyk

Perhaps the Red Sox do indeed have a "disharmonious" clubhouse, but John's observation is not proof of that. My take on the situation he described is that this is a bunch of players who are very discouraged by the fact that their team cannot get on a roll, despite having what has been (perhaps erroneously) perceived to be enough talent to compete at a much higher level. I would be more worried if the players didn't take the losing so hard.

And, yes, injuries have played a major role in this team's inability to compete. At one point, the top SIX Sox outfielders were all on the DL at the same time. Pedroia was hurt, Youkilis and then Middlebrooks, and now Ortiz (the only consistent offensive force the team has had this year). The closer that they traded for has so far missed the entire season. But at the same time, several players have performed below reasonable expectations, including Gonzalez, Beckett, Lester, and of course the failed Bard experiment.

Bobby V. may or may not be a good manager; as we all know, it is very hard to tease out the contributions of any manager to the success or failure of an individual team. But the problems that the team has had this year go far beyond any manager's doorstep.

Aug 16, 2012 09:58 AM
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BarryR

Until Ortiz got hurt, this team was over .500 and I have no idea how. As you point out, their OF gave new meaning to the word patchwork. Pedroia, a key offensive player last year, was doing nothing when he wasn't hurt. Youkilis was awful. Their #1 starter has an ERA over 5, their #2 starter is, to put it kindly, not good, their #3 starter was an abomination and then got hurt, and their closer was gone - and yet they were still over .500. Bobby V may get fired, but what he was doing with this team in the AL East was a friggin' miracle.

Aug 17, 2012 13:50 PM
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PeterBNYC

I agree. This is on the players- or I need someone to point to field decision(s) Valentine has made that lost games? Did anyone in the management boxes or the clubhouse think Bobby had turned into a diplomat? He has always been an acid-tongued motivator.

The Red Sox are a team in which the rot has spread too far. Yes, the injuries are really bad, but wasn't anyone paying attention to the deterioration of John Lackey last year, or Carl Crawford's health record, or Jon Lester's and Beckett's durability? And Youkilis has been fragile for a long time, and it caught up with him.

I also see the off- field manageent as a problem. Good clubs have smooth transitions in key roles. Boston has blown every such transition badly. Epstein to leave. The pay levels Henry and Lucchino agreed to created an overpriveleged tier of players who thought the club was about them, and that they were untouchable. These are all self-inflicted wounds. Rebuild? I don't think they have the aptitude.

Aug 16, 2012 11:29 AM
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mikebuetow

"I need someone to point to field decision(s) Valentine has made that lost games"

I can offer a couple pieces of evidence.

Valentine's lineups have often been questionable, to say the least. Mike Aviles, for example, hit first or second in 39 games, for which he has a combined OBP under .280.

And throughout the season, Valentine has left pitchers (starters and relievers) in well past their expiration dates, and I'm not referring to the Lester shellacking. Perhaps early on he was trying to show confidence in his starters, but if so, he never communicated as much.

Aug 16, 2012 12:53 PM
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pobothecat

Mike Aviles OBP thru April 30: .330

Aug 16, 2012 14:22 PM
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mikebuetow

Mike Aviles lifetime OBP .310.

Number of times Mike Aviles led off AFTER April 30: 20.

Regression was utterly predictable, but Valentine didn't do anything about it.

Aug 16, 2012 14:50 PM
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I75Titans

"I appreciate him being a gamer and trying to be on the field every day after missing all that time with the broken wrist, but he can barely move on that bad right ankle. There's a fine line between being a gamer and hurting your team, and I think he's on the verge of crossing it."

On Jayson Werth:
How can he be hurting his team when he as batted .410/.510/.550 in the month of august. I know he is out right now Day to day with his ankel issue but a 500 on base is awsome. Just Saying......

Aug 16, 2012 13:32 PM
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amazin_mess

Valentine makes a convenient scapegoat. Next year he can collect their money from his livingroom or from behind the bar at his restaurant. Either way, he won't have to deal with the prima donnas in that clubhouse.

Aug 16, 2012 13:54 PM
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lesmash

I just want to make the comment that I loved reading this article. I enjoy scouts' short blurbs about a variety of players, as well as the organizational comments. Nice job collecting this, John.

As for the specific content, I LOVE the Ryan Braun quote. I am not rooting against Braun or anything like that . . . but I think there is merit in the comment and it makes us reflect more deeply on his 2011 MVP season. Of course, his 2 home runs through 4 innings tonight suggest that maybe he has woken up - we'll see.

I also enjoy the Ubaldo Jimenez quote. That is harsh criticism - talk about having one's professionalism questioned. Ouch.

Aug 16, 2012 18:52 PM
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Behemoth

I don't think the Braun comment makes anyone think more deeply about anything. It basically just says "PEDs, PEDs, nudge, nudge". Everyone knows about the Braun case, and has already made up their mind about it.

Aug 20, 2012 07:16 AM
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saint09

So BP as the thinking man's website? And with all due respect, the author asks the following question of Bobby Valentine: "do you think David Ortiz would help?".

I get initiating conversation but I would also respond with a one word answer. Or, perhaps an inappropriate, two word answer.

Aug 17, 2012 17:05 PM
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jnossal

If you ask yes or no questions, don't act surprised if the only answers you get are "yes" and "no". With the occasional "hope so".

Aug 29, 2012 10:44 AM
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