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December 2, 2011

Baseball Prospectus News

Introducing Best of Baseball Prospectus: 1996-2011

by Ben Lindbergh

The last decade and a half has been good to us. Our little-read first annual (sans the St. Louis chapter) in 1996 spawned a best-selling series that's about to welcome its 17th installment. Our web presence began by publishing new pieces sporadically and has matured into a site that's updated daily with a back catalog well over 10,000 articles strong. The only downside to our prolific past is that being introduced (or introducing someone else) to BP now is a bit like starting Lost in season five. A new subscriber, or even one who has been around from the start, could be excused for wondering “How did they get here?”, “What did I miss?”, and “What do those numbers mean?” As Jack, Kate, & Co. discovered, in order to answer those questions (or, in their case, leave most of them annoyingly unanswered), we have to go back. We've tried to make our archives more accessible by freeing up our older articles and republishing selected pieces via The BP Wayback Machine, but now we're taking the next step by bringing the BP archives to your bookshelf, e-book reader, or hard drive.

With extensive input from Christina Kahrl, who knows a thing or two about BP's past, we've selected roughly 150 of the best articles BP has to offer, representing a comprehensive cross-section of the ground-breaking insight, astute analysis, and witty commentary that you've come to expect from us over the last 15 years. The collection features work by BP co-founders Clay Davenport, Gary Huckabay, Rany Jazayerli, Christina Kahrl, and Joe Sheehan, as well as popular alumni like Russell Carleton, Will Carroll, James Click, Dan Fox, Jonah Keri, David Laurila, Marc Normandin, Nate Silver, Michael Wolverton, and Keith Woolner, current columnists like Mike Fast, Kevin Goldstein, Steven Goldman, Jay Jaffe, Ben Lindbergh (third-person alert), Jason Parks, and Colin Wyers, and more.

We've divided the articles into nine themed sections. (Yes, as many sections as there are innings in a game. Go figure.) Once we'd done all our selecting and dividing, we realized that we had nearly 900 pages of content prepared, but we didn't want to leave anything out. Instead of leaving half the articles on the cutting-room floor or a trying to cram everything into one massive tome that would make the annual look like a takeout menu, we decided to publish Best of Baseball Prospectus in two soft-cover volumes. The first four sections appear in Volume One, while the latter five compose Volume Two, an arrangement that allows us to divide the material into a meaty 450 pages or so per book. All of the articles have been given a fresh edit, laid out in a design that's easy on the eyes (with headshots, since we know you only like us for our looks), and introduced with a blurb by the editor setting up what you're about to read.

Of course, as nice as it is to have some of BP's best work preserved in book form, we wouldn't expect you to dip into your baseball budget without some new content to sweeten the deal. In addition to my preface and forewords by friends of BP King Kaufman and Rob Neyer, we've also commissioned 11 essay-length chapter introductions and original articles by past and present BP authors distributed across the two books.

Both volumes will be available for purchase on Amazon.com in plenty of time for Christmas—late next week is our target—for $14.95 list price each. If you buy the matched set, you'll get free two-day shipping from Amazon. Our partners at Amazon generally offer our self-published books at a discount from list price, and we'll certainly let you know if they're discounting Best of BP.

As with all of our self-published books, PEV is also selling in the popular PDF document format—as always, without any DRM or crapware bundled in. If you buy the PDF, we don't have to print a book and send it to you, and we appreciate not having to do that. (Also, pricing a virtual product the same as a physical product is preposterous.) We'll be offering the PDF at $7.95 for each volume. We will also be making these books available in various e-book formats—stay tuned for an update on that.

So what does that $14.95 or $7.95 buy you? Here's what you get in each volume:

Best of Baseball Prospectus: 1996-2011
Volume 1

Foreword by King Kaufman
Preface by yours truly, in which I explain how BP is—and more importantly, isn't—like the rock band Breaking Benjamin

Part 1

OFFENSE

15 articles
80+ pages

 

Your guide, Jay Jaffe...

 

...explains how and why we went from the numbers on the back of the baseball card to advanced stats like VORP and TAv

And highlights from BP's past, including…

  • Jay Jaffe, Clay Davenport, and Will Carroll tackling the topic of what the all-time home run leaderboard would look like under different circumstances
  • The BP staff responding to Barry Bonds hitting homer number 756
  • Joe Sheehan and Dan Fox explaining how the stolen base can be used and misused and how we can measure a player's complete baserunning contributions
  • James Click's investigation into how much lineup order matters
  • Marc Normandin's in-depth player profiles

 

Part 2

PITCHING

22 articles
110+ pages

 

Your guide, Mike Fast...

 

...asserts that the rumors of the demise of baseball analysis have been greatly exaggerated and offers a look at the next sabermetric frontiers

And highlights from BP's past, including…

  • Vörös McCracken's landmark BABIP study, and follow-ups by Clay Davenport and Keith Woolner
  • Nate Silver examining why there's no such thing as a pitching prospect
  • Gary Huckabay's adventures in consulting
  • David Laurila talking to a quartet of cerebral pitchers
  • Mike Fast exploring the “real” strike zone

 

Part 3

FIELDING

10 articles
70+ pages

 

Your guide, Christina Kahrl...

 

...explains how defensive analysis is baseball's white whale and how we might not even know when we've caught it

And highlights from BP's past, including…

  • James Click's explanations of what makes evaluating defense so difficult and defensive park effects
  • Dan Fox's development of Simple Fielding Runs
  • Ben Lindbergh's explanation of why good fielders can provide more bang for the buck
  • Colin Wyers' reinvention of FRAA
  • Dan Fox and Colin Wyers tackling the most controversial topic of all: Derek Jeter's defense

 

Part 4

HISTORY

26 articles
160+ pages

 

Your guide, Steven Goldman...

 

...uses the story of Frankie Frisch and John McGraw to show that “Stats” and “Scouts” provide an incomplete picture without a third component, Story

And highlights from BP's past, including…

  • Classic entries in Christina Kahrl's “Transaction Analysis” series
  • Dan Fox's deconstruction of the myth of baseball's “Golden Age
  • Jay Jaffe's loving look at Rickey Henderson and investigations into league strength and climbing K rates
  • Steven Goldman repeatedly showing why you could (and should) look it up
  • Derek Jacques explaining what “Moneyball” actually means

 

Plus an original article by Geoff Young, who examines the fascinating career of the man they called “Camera Eye,” Max Bishop


 

Best of Baseball Prospectus: 1996-2011
Volume 2

Foreword by Rob Neyer
Preface by Ben Lindbergh

Part 5

SABERMETRICS

13 articles
70+ pages

 

Your guide, Colin Wyers...

 

...explains how sabermetrics is and isn't like “real” science and why if you want to bring another baseball nerd into the world, you should buy your kid a breadboard

And highlights from BP's past, including…

  • “Hilbert problems" posed by Keith Woolner and James Click
  • Nate Silver's explanations of how the Rays went from worst to first, how players age, and where replacement level should actually be set
  • Dayn Perry's treatise on why we need both stats and scouts
  • Joe Sheehan and Nate Silver explaining why statheads don't deserve a bad rap
  • Nate Silver's speculations about what's next for sabermetrics

 

Part 6

PROSPECTING

24 articles
150+ pages

 

Your guide, Jason Parks...

 

...relates the story of his scouting journey from message boards to back fields to Baseball Prospectus and beyond

And highlights from BP's past, including…

  • Rany Jazayerli's complete 12-part draft study
  • Kevin Goldstein's All-Disappointment Team and opinions on the slotting system and the Pedro Alvarez-Pirates showdown
  • Jason Parks' takes on the Futures Game and the life of a scout in spring training
  • Nate Silver's investigations into the value of draft picks and the advisability of going over-slot
  • David Laurila's in-depth discussion with Dodgers Assistant GM Logan White
  • Jonah Keri throwing himself into the scouting deep end

 

Part 7

POSTSEASON

13 articles
70+ pages

 

Your guide, Tommy Bennett...

 

...pinpoints what Cody Ross' brief burst of playoff heroics can tell us about the nature of postseason play

And highlights from BP's past, including…

  • How Ken Funck stopped worrying and learned to love October's small sample sizes
  • Jay Jaffe's study on whether a team's regular-season finish affects its playoff performance
  • The BP staff's favorite Fall Classic memories
  • Nate Silver's looks at the best pennant race comebacks and worst collapses
  • Joe Sheehan's response to Alex Rodriguez's playoff redemption
  • James Click and Doug Pappas tackling the question of whether the playoffs really are a crapshoot

 

Part 8

BUSINESS

11 articles
70+ pages

 

Your guide, Jeff Euston...

 

...explains that our national pastime is much more than just a game

And highlights from BP's past, including…

  • Doug Pappas' and Shawn Hoffman's picks for the smartest-spending teams and GMs
  • Shawn Hoffman and Joe Sheehan subjecting salary cap proposals to rigorous inspections
  • Christina Kahrl assessing the state of the sabermetric revolution within the game
  • Rany Jazayerli identifying the worst contract ever
  • Gary Huckabay conducting a revealing conversation with two opinionated executives
  • Keith Woolner outlining a revenue-sharing plan that could make almost everyone happy

 

Part 9

EXTRA INNINGS

15 articles
70+ pages

 

Your guide, Ken Funck...

 

...spins a yarn about the mysterious agents who protect us from the creeping menace of mother's basement dwellers to kick off a miscellaneous section with selections from BP's lighter side

And highlights from BP's past, including…

  • Keith Woolner's tongue-in-cheek sabermetric adaptations of “The Raven” and “Casey at the Bat”
  • Rany Jazayerli explaining the term “Three True Outcomes” and praising the powers of Strat-O-Matic
  • Will Carroll sitting down for an inside scoop with a member of the steroid underground
  • Gary Huckabay exposing the hypocrisy of the media's reaction to baseball's steroid controversy
  • David Laurila's insightful interviews with two very different skippers: Joe Maddon and Ozzie Guillen

 

Plus an original article by Gary Huckabay—his first new work for BP in over two years—who explains whether you'd really be better off working in baseball and what front-office jobs are actually like

 

At its, well, best, a “Best Of” book offers a career-spanning collection that simultaneously functions as a fitting introduction for someone who's new to the material and a welcome refresher for someone who's seen it before. We believe Best of Baseball Prospectus does both, and we can't wait to share it with you starting next week.

Ben Lindbergh is an author of Baseball Prospectus. 
Click here to see Ben's other articles. You can contact Ben by clicking here

89 comments have been left for this article. (Click to hide comments)

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Infrancoeurgible

You had me at Jaffe-stache, BP.

Dec 02, 2011 02:32 AM
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buddons42

I agree completely, and despite potential sample size issues I think we can safely conclude the Jaffe-stache is going to be a driving force of book sales. Well done Jay, well done.

Dec 02, 2011 06:18 AM
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amazin_mess

Dude, that stash is awesome.

Dec 03, 2011 13:59 PM
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Richard Bergstrom

Is it going to be at Barnes and Noble as well?

Dec 02, 2011 03:04 AM
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BP staff member Dave Pease
BP staff
(2)

Richard--the paperbacks should be at other outlets in a few weeks.

Dec 02, 2011 06:52 AM
 
Richard Bergstrom

Does other outlets include Barnes and Noble, or is this where I wipe away a tear for Borders?

Dec 02, 2011 19:02 PM
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BP staff member Dave Pease
BP staff
(2)

They'll be available at bn.com if history is any indication. Theoretically this book is in the right program with our publisher to make it to brick-and-mortar bookstores at some point but I think we'll have to do pretty good sales numbers for that to happen.

Dec 02, 2011 20:13 PM
 
Richard Bergstrom

Ok cool, thanks for the info.

Dec 02, 2011 20:19 PM
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SaberTJ

I would have loved to buy these two books with the bindings shown in the picture on the main page.

Dec 02, 2011 05:25 AM
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BP staff member Ben Lindbergh
BP staff

I also wish we could make that an option. I suspect if we did it might have some effect on the price tag.

Dec 02, 2011 07:45 AM
 
SaberTJ

I am goign to guy regardless, but I wouldn't had minded paying 10 bucks more the the "tome" look.

Dec 02, 2011 08:27 AM
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SaberTJ

should says buy - not guy

Dec 02, 2011 08:27 AM
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Scott
(296)

I'll bet if you made 100 copies of each volume up like that, you would sell them out at $50 per volume or $90 for the set. Just sayin'.

Or individuals can find some bookbinder that would take on the work at a reasonable rate and have at it.

I love the smell of buckram in the morning. Smells like... library.

Dec 02, 2011 11:52 AM
rating: 4
 
BP staff member Dave Pease
BP staff
(2)

it would be awesome to make some of those.

Dec 02, 2011 11:26 AM
 
SaberTJ

Agreed. Kind of like a Collector's edition.

Dec 02, 2011 12:57 PM
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R.A.Wagman

Amazon.ca?

Dec 02, 2011 07:20 AM
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BP staff member Dave Pease
BP staff
(2)

It will definitely be there--I would hope in time for Christmas but we can't guarantee it.

Dec 02, 2011 09:13 AM
 
R.A.Wagman

Not worried about that - not the Christmas type myself. Although I would never say no to a Hannukah gift!

Dec 02, 2011 10:58 AM
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dianagram

What a great idea!

Dec 02, 2011 07:24 AM
rating: 3
 
BP staff member Dave Pease
BP staff
(2)

thank you. Please email me your address, dianagram--we are sending you a set for Christmas

Dec 02, 2011 09:16 AM
 
dianagram

Merci! (and done)

Dec 02, 2011 10:49 AM
rating: 1
 
Randy Brown
(189)

I'm going to check with my brother, who actually mentioned BABIP in a sentence a little while ago (he did so skeptically, and I nearly choked on a chicken bone nonetheless), and see if he would be interested in something like this.

Dec 02, 2011 07:40 AM
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dianagram

189? Wow .... you've been a BPer from the beginning .... nice!

Dec 02, 2011 07:42 AM
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Randy Brown
(189)

I'm not one of the rec.sport.baseball folks, but since at least 1998. It's been long enough that I honestly can't remember exactly when I first started reading BP. Actually, it may have been 1997, because I remember getting all cranked up that Pedro Martinez should win the Cy Young over Maddux or Neagle.

Anyway, random thought coming....Richard Bergstrom mentioned in a post a couple days ago about the exclusivity of content at BP right now. I'd like to point out that one of the things exclusive to BP is the comments section. I remember when the comments were first added, that I thought it would be a useless feature, because comments sections usually are.

But BP is different. I enjoy reading the comments because I do learn from them, be it about people discussing their favorite team in more detail than I could follow, debates about the merits of research articles, or diatrabes about the socialist-fascist nature of the comment rating system.

Since 1998 (or 1997, I really can't remember), BP has been like an oasis on the internet for me. Yes, for the baseball content, but also for the community. I feel like I could sit down at a bar and have a beer with Colin Wyers or KG, but also with dianagram or Richard Bergstrom or dodgerken.

So, please Richard, stick around. I would miss you around here. And I'd wager that you'd miss us too.

Dec 02, 2011 08:30 AM
rating: 12
 
BP staff member Dave Pease
BP staff
(2)

we might not have the most commenters on the internets, but we have the best commenters on the internets. Thanks everyone.

Dec 02, 2011 08:40 AM
 
CRP13

I bring the curve down :

Dec 03, 2011 08:12 AM
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amazin_mess

So do I.

Dec 03, 2011 14:02 PM
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brucegilsen
(999)

I know I sound like a major nag on this Dave, but please please please make the comments searchable - that's the main impediment to them at this point.

If I post a comment today, I sure don't want to have remember which article it is on so I can check for feedback and keep the dialog going.

Dec 10, 2011 11:14 AM
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BP staff member Mike Fast
BP staff

I was skeptical of how the comments would work when they were first added (I was not yet a columnist at that point), but I am a big fan of them now. I really enjoy the conversation I get on many of my articles, as well as participating in the comment threads for other articles.

Dec 02, 2011 09:21 AM
 
thegeneral13

I'm willing to bet there's no such thing as *a* beer with dodgerken.

Dec 02, 2011 11:58 AM
rating: 2
 
Richard Bergstrom

Thanks for mentioning me Randy. A few of the things that make me a fan of BP is not just the interaction with other people who comment, but the feedback from the BP writers themselves to my weird off-the-cuff questions. Heck, even emailing BP's customer service has been a great experience. I even like the occasional "heated discussions" I get into on here, which as Tango mentioned below, is of a different caliber than, say, what you might find on ESPN.

I do wish there was a bulletin board system or something similar where we could start our own threads, including a way to refer to some of the other people on here like dianagram who have active baseball blogs, but in general, I do come here for the comments and interaction (though since I upgraded to Windows 7 at work, I've had some compatibility issues with commenting, so it's probably an issue on our end).

That being said, I'm flattered that you would miss me since I do respect you highly. I definitely appreciate the thought you put into this post. As well, there are others on BP, both writers and members of the community (RAWagman is also one of my favorites), that I really enjoy speaking with. I guess I see an article posted for an ESPN audience and I'm not sure what to say since it seems "dumbed down", or I see a repost of something from the Wayback Machine, remember reading the original article, and just have nothing new to contribute besides a reminisce. I kinda get concerned what I am paying for, thoguh as I tried to indicate, nowhere near agitated enough to raise a s_storm and cancel out of spite screaming "Bring back _blank_!" I won't have to make a decision until next July and in general, the subscription fee is low enough and the value is high enough where it's not something I wring my hands over. I was just trying to indicate that things are different and somehow (and maybe it's just on my end?) I feel there's less material for me to engage with. I'll also admit that I tend to stick to certain writers and, well, some of those writers aren't here anymore. Maybe I just need to give some of the others a bit more of a chance. There's one BP writer in particular that I keep trying to like, keep knowing I should like and keep failing miserably at and I'm not sure why. Unfortunately, I'm not a podcast person so that avenue I'll never end up latching on to.

So, to reiterate with a less random thought, I deeply appreciate your concern and as of right now, I'm not going anywhere. Take my previous posting as a bit of a confused minirant since I'm at least here for another half a year and, yes, most likely, afterwards as well.

On a side note, it's funny how I've been on here for at least four years and get envious of those with lower customer IDs than mine ;)

P.S. A bulletin board would make it much easier to arrange get-togethers over beer. I know there hasn't been a pizza feed out in Denver since after the Rockies went to the World Series either.


Dec 02, 2011 19:21 PM
rating: 3
 
Christopher Miller
(88)

I somehow got this number.

Dec 02, 2011 08:32 AM
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amazin_mess

awesome

Dec 03, 2011 18:30 PM
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BP staff member Ben Lindbergh
BP staff

If he says no, it's only because he doesn't know any better. Buy them for him anyway!

Dec 02, 2011 07:43 AM
 
adrock

Is anyone else kind of frightened by the picture of Colin Wyers? I'm sure he's very nice, but the photographer must have invited him to give his 'death stare' instead of a smile.

Also, I don't know what's on Jason Parks' head, but it fits in with my impression of Mr. Parks as awesome.

Dec 02, 2011 07:46 AM
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BP staff member Ben Lindbergh
BP staff

I've seen pictures of Colin in a military uniform that are less intimidating than that one.

Dec 02, 2011 07:51 AM
 
Nils J

And Gary Huckabay is total doppelganger for Louis C.K.

Dec 02, 2011 07:52 AM
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Bradley Ankrom

My thoughts exactly.

Dec 02, 2011 08:26 AM
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BP staff member Jason Parks
BP staff

It's a luchador mask that I pulled up to show my face.

Dec 02, 2011 07:54 AM
 
BP staff member Christina Kahrl
BP staff
(11)

And here I thought it was a Turkish kabalak from WWI.

Dec 02, 2011 10:59 AM
 
BP staff member Mike Fast
BP staff

That is Colin's smile.

Dec 02, 2011 09:23 AM
 
rreading

Great idea, newer subscriber will be ordering both.

Dec 02, 2011 09:22 AM
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sportspopery

The only problem is that Tommy Bennett's photo doesn't quite do justice to his beard. It's red, and it's a no-doubt 80 beard.

I cannot @$%#ing wait to get my hands on this book. My knowledge is meager, and my hunger to supplement it and give it greater context grows by the minute. I just wish I could grow a Jaffestache--I lack the upper lip and facial structure to pull it off. It's a shame, but then if I could it would denigrate the spectacular, unique nature of the Jaffestache.

Dec 02, 2011 09:22 AM
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BP staff member Steven Goldman
BP staff

Would anyone like a best-of for the annual, going back to 1996?

Dec 02, 2011 10:02 AM
 
dianagram

While I love this idea, I've often wondered if anyone would buy a book detailing the *history* of Baseball Prospectus itself. How it came into existence ... the problems that cropped up in the early days .... how writers were recruited ... the development of PECOTA and similar measures ... personalities (both good and bad).

You guys have been at the forefront of the analytical revolution and were there pretty much from the start in terms of having a presence on the web, so I think it would be a fun read.

Dec 02, 2011 10:46 AM
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R.A.Wagman

There is a new twitterer out there (@2003bpro) randomly tweeting snippets of comments from the 2003 annual. If the idea were to go off, I would advise against too much use of the stats (at least in their original presentation) and more focus on the comments.
Another idea would be to compare predictions to actual outcomes as well. Interesting idea, but the execution will be a challenge.

Dec 02, 2011 10:57 AM
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BP staff member Colin Wyers
BP staff

For myself, there's quite a few of the back-of-the-book Fungoes I'd love to have all in one binding.

Dec 02, 2011 11:01 AM
 
Alceste42

Second the fungoes book suggestions. They're really what got me hooked on the books, and it'd be great to be able to have them to share in a single place.

Dec 02, 2011 11:39 AM
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SaberTJ

I think your suggestion is a great idea.

Dec 02, 2011 12:52 PM
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Richard Bergstrom

*inserts shameless BP Idol plug here*

Dec 02, 2011 19:24 PM
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CRP13

Dunno why you got minused for that...(tangent: I love the comments section almost as much as the articles. Almost. But for the love of all that is holy [or unholy {I wouldn't want to offend anyone }] please get rid of the +/- junk)...

...but I loved BP Idol. It was kicked off right after I started seriously reading the site and aside from exposing some very good writers (Ken, Brian, etc), it was a really enjoyable format that gave me a reason to invest my time. It really is what kept me coming back as I became familiar with the everyday authors.

Dec 03, 2011 08:19 AM
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Richard Bergstrom

I just brought BP Idol up in terms of the evolution of BP so if there's a book about it's history, I'd think it'd be worth a chapter.

It's been nice to see pretty much all of those people in BP Idol still writing about baseball, either here or elsewhere. As an aside, that competition was the first time I heard about Colin and started going to Tango's website.

On the comments thing, +/- has always been a bit of a stickler. I'm a bit curious what happened to the "NEW" tags that used to accompany comments that appeared since I last read an article.

Dec 03, 2011 14:00 PM
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Pat Folz

I was just the other day thinking about how I'd love to read something like this. As long as it doesn't leave out any of the sordid details!

Dec 03, 2011 12:52 PM
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Shaun P.
(676)

Where do I enter my credit card information?

I also think a collection of various comments - the most accurate, the least accurate, the most amusing, the most prescient, etc - would be a great thing to add.

Dec 02, 2011 17:54 PM
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Richard Bergstrom

My all-time favorite comment is Todd Helton, 2007:
"Helton missed 14 games in late April and early May with what was diagnosed as `acute terminal ileitis,` or, in layman`s terms, one helluva stomachache"

My second favorite, Corey Patterson, also from 2007:
"The idea that the average player improves through his twenties to age 27 is mistaken, as that trend really only applies to the average major leaguer. What distinguishes a typical major leaguer from a typical minor leaguer is the ability to learn and improve."

Dec 02, 2011 19:27 PM
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BP staff member Ben Lindbergh
BP staff

I don't know if anyone would buy it, but I've long wanted to write it.

Dec 02, 2011 10:53 AM
 
dianagram

I'd love to take a stab at it myself, but I'd need a lot of help.

Dec 02, 2011 10:55 AM
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BP staff member Jay Jaffe
BP staff

You'd never get the legal clearance, though sure, I can understand the public's desire to know everything about the debaucherous early days where rec.sport.baseball was simply a front for an escort service, the infamous Strip PECOTA parties, and the dirty little secrets that put Richard Hidalgo and Josh Phelps on the covers.

Dec 02, 2011 11:41 AM
 
Shaun P.
(676)

I'd buy it!

I think we'd need more people to commit first, though.

Dec 02, 2011 17:50 PM
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jhardman

A new article from Gary Huckabay will cause me to buy it. It sounds sort of like the musical artist that has five greatest hits compilations, but each with a new song so you'll essentially buy the same product you already have again at full price. :-)

As long as I don't have to explain to my wife that I already own 95% of the content these two volumes already contain, I'm safe. Shhh....

Dec 02, 2011 12:54 PM
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jhardman

And also (since I can't reply to a thread with my browser), I totally agree with Randy Brown's commentary. The comments were something I thought would be a complete waste of time, sort of like the comments from your local news station web bits. Boy, was I wrong. I love reading the comments, and always have. If I go on the road and get a chance to see a game in another city, I always want to match up the names and see if I could get lucky enough for a good face to face chat about their team in their home turf.

Dec 02, 2011 13:02 PM
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TangoTiger

1. I agree that putting all the fungoes articles together would be good. Even just a PDF would be nice.

2. I'm surprised by some people's expectation of comments. Good comments drives out bad comments. Fools are intimidated by an intelligent discussion, and BPro subscribers have proven that to be the case for the most part.

Dec 02, 2011 13:43 PM
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villapalomares

commenting just to find out what my number is.

Dec 02, 2011 17:43 PM
rating: 1
 
JeffRose
(814)

As am I, sadly.

Dec 03, 2011 05:35 AM
rating: 1
 
amazin_mess

Impressive Mr. Rose.

Dec 03, 2011 14:02 PM
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Joe D.

B-b-b-b-baby. Don't forget my number...

Dec 04, 2011 14:36 PM
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gbrisbee

Oh, I want to know too.

Dec 05, 2011 16:49 PM
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kwoolsey

I am not a number, I am a... oh, whatever.

Dec 06, 2011 18:19 PM
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brucegilsen
(999)

Uh-oh, I've got the Herman Cain number.

Dec 10, 2011 11:15 AM
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Jack Thomas

I will definitely purchase both volumes.
My absolute favorite sabermetrics book is BP's "Baseball Between the Numbers" I re-read parts of it every off season. It was published in March 2006. Any chance of an update or follow-up book?

Dec 03, 2011 04:03 AM
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BP staff member Mike Fast
BP staff

Yes, there is a sequel to BBTN in the works. One of the other staff might be able to give more detail on a timeline.

Dec 03, 2011 06:52 AM
 
BP staff member Steven Goldman
BP staff

Coming this spring to a theater near you.

Dec 03, 2011 19:55 PM
 
Dave Holgado

Looks great, Ben & Co. This is slightly off topic, but could you please please please make the 2012 annual available online or as a download? Alternatively, I think the single best thing you could do with the player cards on the site is to include the most current annual's comment reasonably simultaneous with publication of the annual itself. I know you want us to both buy the book and subscribe to the site... but remember, we are junkies, we'll do that anyway!

Dec 03, 2011 11:28 AM
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ScottyB

It would be nice if this were available on pre-order on Amazon so I could add it to my wish-list (my extended family compiles wish lists so we can actually buy each other things we'd actually like, insteead of socks and stuff)

Dec 03, 2011 12:00 PM
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BP staff member Dave Pease
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ScottyB, would it ever. I have been unable to get Amazon to list the book before we submit it. If anyone at Amazon is reading this, I'd love to talk to you.

We're finishing it up right now and will be submitting for printing very soon.

Thanks.

Dec 03, 2011 14:28 PM
 
twinkies25

This is a wonderful idea! I'm totally going to buy these books!

Dec 03, 2011 12:42 PM
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amazin_mess

Speaking of old annuals, anyone ever bought a used copy from the late 90s? I bought the 1998 annual a few years ago for like 65 bucks...LOL...glad my wife doesn't know.

Dec 03, 2011 14:06 PM
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vtadave

Also slightly off-topic. Over the past couple years, there has been more than one occasion in which I've strongly considered not renewing my membership. Seeing writers such as Joe Sheehan and Christina Kahrl depart, both of whom have served as inspirations for my side job as a fantasy baseball writer, leave BP has been discouraging to say the least. Mix in so many distinguished alums that it would take far to long to list, and I found myself logging into BP.com less than daily.

But wait...

Kevin Goldstein's prospect notes and minor league notes (wish I had time for the podcasts)

Jay Jaffe
Colin Wyers
Jason Parks

These guys are less than sucky.

I'm not quite ready to say that BP hasn't peaked in terms of its roster of talent, but speaking of talent, there's still plenty here. I'm hopeful that we won't be revisiting the PECOTA fiasco of last year. Furthermore, I'm I look forward to the 2012 output of a talented crop of writers.

Oh, and these books are a no-brainer purchase. I do have to ask however: why the picture? Those books look incredible.

Dec 03, 2011 15:28 PM
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amazin_mess

I thought about not resubscribing once too. (I hate changes).

But once I realized there was still tons of great content for a low price, I re-upped and I always will.

Dec 03, 2011 17:39 PM
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Juris

One of the best non-statistical articles BP ever published was the one by Carlos Lugo on Juan Marichal. I hope that's somehow in the collection.

Dec 04, 2011 09:02 AM
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Juris

Here's a link to Lugo's interview: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=3905

Dec 04, 2011 09:06 AM
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BP staff member Dave Pease
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thanks, Juris. That isn't currently in there but we'll take a look.

I think we've got plenty of material for Volume 3 if people like 1 and 2.

Dec 04, 2011 11:08 AM
 
larlaro

Excellent idea, I love historical "best-of" collections. Thanks for doing this.

Dec 04, 2011 15:41 PM
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Richard Bergstrom

"Nate Silver's looks at the best pennant race comebacks and worst collapses"

This could probably use some updating...

Dec 05, 2011 10:18 AM
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Andy Cochrane

When is the PDF available? Guessing it won't be available on Uk Amazon!

Dec 09, 2011 10:35 AM
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rubinr
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Haven't seen it on Amazon yet - any update on when it will be available?

Dec 10, 2011 15:38 PM
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atlbrave1

I saw Volume 2 on Amazon today for $16.95 (not the $14.95 referenced above), but did not see Volume 1. Any other updates?

Dec 10, 2011 18:21 PM
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RyneJordan23

Both books are now displayed as "In Stock" on Amazon.

However, the price is listed as $16.95 per, and when I was on the cusp of completing my order, I noticed that the previously-promised "free two-day shipping" was not offered.

Will this be updated soon, or did Amazon make some changes when the books were finally posted?

Dec 14, 2011 06:07 AM
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BP staff member Ben Lindbergh
BP staff

Just letting anyone still lurking in this thread know that the books are now available in PDF and hard copy. Announcement and purchase links here.

Dec 14, 2011 11:22 AM
 
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