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March 7, 2014

Pebble Hunting

Billy Hamilton, Usain Bolt, and Whether 90 Feet is Still Enough

by Sam Miller

We all have radical ideas that we’d like to see implemented: the all-reliever pitching staff, the perfectly optimized lineup, the corner outfielders swapping based on batter handedness, etc. Until somebody puts them into play, they’re just ideas. What Charlie Finley did, then, was a favor to us all: He took one of those ideas and put it in play. And when it failed, we got to move on. We never had to talk about it again. For once, a crazy idea tried, tested, and settled.

But things change. Even settled matters eventually become unsettled. So, as we approach the 40th anniversary of Herb Washington’s major-league debut, it’s worth wondering whether the question of whether a world-class sprinter can justify a roster spot is still resolved.

Background: Washington was a world-class sprinter who held records in the 50- and 60-yard dash. Finley signed him to be a pinch-runner. He never held a bat or glove but pinch-ran for the A’s for a bit more than a year. It wasn’t particularly successful for a number of reasons, but the most notable one is this: He wasn’t very good at baserunning. He was about a half-run or a run worse than average, according to our metrics and those at Baseball-Reference.

So why revisit it? Well, there are six factors* in a stolen base equation:

  1. Speed of runner
  2. Time it takes pitcher to release pitch
  3. Time it takes catcher to throw ball
  4. Distance from first to second
  5. Distance from pitcher to catcher
  6. Distance from catcher to second base

Of the six factors, three (4-6) have remained unchanged, and always will. Two (2-3) we can’t really say. But the sixth—speed of runner—has likely improved. Here’s the progression of the 100 meters record over the past half-century, limited to electronically timed races:

Time Athlete Date
10.06 Bob Hayes 10/15/1964
10.03 Jim Hines 6/20/1968
10.02 Charles Greene 10/13/1968
9.95 Hines 10/14/1968
9.93 Calvin Smith 7/3/1983
9.83 Ben Johnson 8/30/1987
9.93 Carl Lewis 8/30/1987
9.92 Lewis 9/24/1988
9.9 Leroy Burrell 6/14/1991
9.86 Lewis 8/25/1991
9.85 Burrell 7/6/1994
9.84 Donovan Bailey 7/27/1996
9.79 Maurice Greene 6/16/1999
9.78 Tim Montgomery 9/14/2002
9.77 Asafa Powell 6/14/2005
9.74 Powell 9/9/2007
9.72 Usain Bolt 5/31/2008
9.69 Bolt 8/16/2008
9.58 Bolt 8/16/2009

The fourth-place finisher in the 2012 Olympics would have been the world record holder as recently as 15 years ago, completing the race in 98.4 percent of the time it took the world record holder from Washington’s era. In other words: The environment to steal a base has remained constant, or mostly constant, while the baserunner himself has become faster: one percent faster, perhaps, or two percent, or if we can imagine Usain Bolt in a Rays jersey, nearly four percent faster. So would today’s world-class sprinter be too fast for defenses to handle? To answer that, we need to know two things: How much faster world-class sprinters are than Billy Hamilton, and how much faster Hamilton would need to be to be invincible.

*There are more than six, of course, but the other factors are small or unmeasurable: Umpires' tendency to call runners safe or out; playing surfaces; wearing longer pants; pickoff moves; and so on. The factor you might think should be mentioned is speed of pitches, which gets the ball to the plate faster. But the difference between 90 and 93 mph is about two-hundredths of a second, and might conceivably require pitchers to take longer to the plate (to generate that velocity) or make it correspondingly difficult for catchers to handle pitches. But you can keep that in mind as we go if you wish.

What caught stealings are
Billy Hamilton is presumably the closest thing to a world-class sprinter that baseball has (more on that later), and we’ve seen him caught one time. Here’s what a caught stealing looks like, in full speed, from first move to tag:

And here’s the anatomy of that caught stealing:

Frame 1: Pitcher’s first movement
Frame 3: Runner’s body visibly tenses
Frame 7: Runner’s momentum visibly shifting toward second
Frame 41: Pitch reaches catcher
Frame 60: Throw leaves catcher’s hand
Frame 95: Throw caught at second base
Frame 100: Tag roughly in place
Frame 103: Tag applied; runner reaches base. (+/- one frame for each of these.)

Rephrased,

Defender’s times:

  • Pitcher’s time: 1.32 seconds to plate
  • Catcher’s pop time: 1.74 seconds
  • Fielder’s tag time: between .16 and .25 seconds
  • Total time: 3.31 seconds, roughly

Runner’s times:

  • Time before his brain registers pitcher is moving: .1 second
  • Time to begin movement: .25 seconds, or so
  • Time to second base, from pitcher’s first move: 3.35 seconds, roughly

And, while it’s hard to say whether the fielder’s tag time might have been slightly faster if it had needed to be slightly faster, we’re looking at a margin between safe and out that’s about this big:

So what happens if you change the runner’s speed? Runners don’t maintain a constant speed over the course of the sprint, of course, but if we assume that a faster baserunner is uniformly faster—faster at the start, faster at peak, and, perhaps generously, faster sliding in—this is what one-, two- and four-percent differences look like:

One percent different:

Inches away from the bag, not clear whether he has been tagged; probably.

Two percent different:

Maybe a foot away from the bag. Doesn't appear to have been tagged.

Four percent different:

Maybe a meter from the bag. Defender has caught ball but hasn't had time to apply a tag.

Hamilton has been caught once in the majors. If he was one percent faster, he might have been safe that one time; it's really, really hard to say. If he was two percent faster, he probably would have been safe. If he was four percent faster, he’d most definitely have been safe.

That was a particularly close play at second. Here are the first examples I found of other fast people being thrown out, and the margins by which they were out, where the image captures the earliest frame in which they were tagged or the tag was in place:

Eric Young:

Mike Trout:

Brett Gardner:

Jacoby Ellsbury:

The margins between a stolen base and an out are very small, and were presumably small when Herb Washington was the runner, too. A small improvement in speed (like the improvement from Herb Washington to today’s sprinters) might make a big difference.

What world-class sprinters are
“I’m a competitor so I’m going to say I could beat him,” (Hamilton) told the New York Times’ Robert Weintraub when asked how he’s thought he do against (Usain Bolt).

But maybe we already know how a world-class sprinter would do as a baserunner. Maybe Billy Hamilton is as fast as a world-class sprinter, and maybe he has already shown us the outer limits of what a baserunner could do.

I think the answer to the first part of that sentence is "no." But the answer to the second part is more ambiguous.

There’s a bit of irony when it comes to speed: It is the most measurable tool, literally determined to the hundredth of an inch by precise instruments, and yet we don’t really have the quantitative way to answer the question “How fast is Billy Hamilton?” As Albert Chen wrote in Sports Illustrated, “No one seems to know precisely how fast Hamilton is—not even the Reds, who drafted him.” Anytime we’ve seen him run, it’s been on a baseball field, in baseball shoes, doing baseball things, which generally entail secondary tasks: swinging and discarding a bat, or tracking a fly ball, or rounding bases, or preparing to slide, or assessing a pitcher’s move. Meanwhile, we’ve never seen Usain Bolt turn a corner or wear a helmet. So this is going to require some triangulation to answer.

Billy Hamilton is exceptionally fast for a baseball player. A few objective and relatively standardized times we have for him, of varying credibility:

The 60. In a number of online forums, he’s reported to have run a 60-yard dash in 6.5 seconds. Further, a number of other prospects’ 60-yard dash times are said to be similar to Hamilton’s when they are around 6.5 seconds. This would be tremendously valuable information, as Washington raced in the 60 (in a world record 5.8 seconds, though obviously not in baseball spikes). Further, because the 60 is baseball’s “official” timing length, like the 40 is for football, countless baseball players have recorded 60-yard times to compare against. Alas, though, there’s no origin for the time, and Sports Illustrated's Chen wrote in late 2012 that “he’s never been timed in the 60-yard dash.”

The 40. From a Buster Olney blog post:

“Billy Hamilton can’t remember ever running on a track, so he has no idea what his time in the 100 meters would be. There was a day, he said, that he was asked to run a 40-yard dash at a football camp in Mississippi. ‘I ran a 4.5 flat,’ he recalled Thursday evening. ‘I was in the ninth grade.’ That’s a respectable time for NFL running backs. But that was six years ago and Hamilton, 21, is faster now.”

To put 4.5 seconds in context: Darrell Green, an Olympic sprinter turned NFL Fastest Man, claimed his fastest 40 was 4.15 seconds. That was three decades ago. The fastest NFL combine time since electronic timing began was 4.24 seconds, by Rondel Melendez.

For various reasons, it’s hard to do much with this 4.5 time. We can’t really trust the validity of it; it was conducted, presumably, by a high school coach recording by hand, unofficially, and it is being recounted by Hamilton himself many years later. And, of course, he was 15. Who knows how much faster he is or isn’t now. But, taken at face value, it puts him among the fastest athletes but not particularly close to the fastest sprinters.

Inside-the-park home run: Hamilton circled the bases in 13.8 seconds as a minor leaguer. That’s faster than anything Larry Granillo has recorded for another player, by about two-tenths of a second, and it seems that Hamilton eases up a bit at the end. We don’t, of course, have Usain Bolt circling the bases in game conditions, so what good is this? Depends how much you trust Random Dude On Internet Forum, but this is “former pro” writing on a running forum:

I played 6 seasons in the minors...ran 13.1 around the bases and my best 100m was 11.29. Ran the 60 in 6.56, 40y in 4.56. So, Hamilton’s time is soft. He can go faster...may not have been trying.

The key section here—if you believe a single word of it, at least—is that this guy’s best 100 meter time was 11.29. We know, empirically, that 13.1 is extremely fast, and that Hamilton hasn’t demonstrated he can beat that. So, again, assuming there is any credibility to this post at all, we would conclude that this guy is in the same upper-echelon, 80-plus range that Hamilton is, and yet when running alongside true sprinters he’s significantly slower. In the world where this guy is a reliable witness, Olympic sprinters are much faster than elite baseball runners.

More from the running forum, grammar cleaned up for your benefit:

Wow. Another guy from another sport who says he can beat Bolt. Chris Johnson (of the NFL) actually was a state high school champion in a strong sprint state, Florida, but his personal bests are about 1 second slower (than Bolt) in the 100.

Another poster corrects him, noting that Johnson finished second in the state—behind actual Olympic sprinter Walter Dix, “with Dix running 10.38 to Johnson’s 10.66. Basically Dix destroyed him. Granted Walter Dix is an Olympic medalist, so there’s no shame in that…but then again Bolt destroys Dix whenever they race, so how would Johnson fare against Bolt?”

Or, for that matter, how would Hamilton’s closest ancestor—Vince Coleman, the last player who could approach Hamilton’s basestealing prodigiousness—fare against an actual Olympian? We know the answer to this! In 1986, on the television competition Superstars, Coleman raced the pro football player Willie Gault, who had been on the 1980 Olympic relay team—or would have been, had the U.S. not boycotted the Games. Coleman narrowly beats everybody in the field except Gault, who beats Coleman by a good 10 feet:

Is any of this conclusive? Not even close. The times are unreliable in some cases, the methods of timing change in others, the runners are different ages, the stakes are different, the witnesses are anonymous message boarders, and even when we see a direct, head-to-head race on film our conclusions are open to subjectivity. Maybe you watched that race and think, hey, Vince keeps up with Willie for the first part of the race—and, of course, the 30 yards from first base to second would constitute only the first part of a 100-meter race. So you might have drawn a totally different conclusion from this section than I did. But my conclusion is this: It seems most likely the case that world-class sprinters are considerably faster than Billy Hamilton, at least in a general, non-baseball context. I don’t even think Hamilton would dispute this. That quote at the beginning of this section—he gives away his actual opinion. “I could beat him,” he says, but only after caveating it with “I’m a competitor, so...”, which might as well be “I’m going to say this no matter what the truth really is.”

What the problem remains
So by my way of looking at things—and your way might reasonably be different, even after reading these same “facts”—we’ve established two things: In today’s game, the margin between a stolen base and a caught stealing for elite baseball runners is very small; and the difference between an elite runner and an elite baseball runner is relatively large. This should be enough to reopen Finley’s case, but the real problem with Herb Washington remains unchanged. It’s obvious, and everybody anticipated it then, and you’ve anticipated it here: Baserunning is more than just speed.

Washington had played high school ball. He had one job. And yet, even after five months of rehearsing, he hadn’t really cracked the baserunning game:

  • September 1974: 15 appearance, seven stolen bases, seven caught stealing,
  • Postseason 1974: 5 appearances, zero stolen bases, twice caught stealing, once picked off
  • April/May 1975: 13 appearances, two stolen bases, once caught stealing. He was out trying to score from second on a bunt in one game. The next game he was thrown out trying to go to third on a single. A few days later, thrown out at home trying to score from second on a single. Then picked off the next game. He didn’t attempt a steal in his final nine games.

Further, even when things were going well—as in early September 1974, when the LA Times ran an article headlined “This Finley Folly Is A Steal,” with the wonderfully too-early line “but the laughter was premature. Finley is having the last laugh"—the team hated the experiment. Multiple players criticized it and pouted when they were pinch-run for late in games. “They accused Finley of wasting a place on the roster and Dark of misusing his runner,” Ross Newhan wrote in 1974. Team captain Sal Bando blamed his miscues on “inexperience and nervousness.” Reggie Jackson spoke kindly of him, but said “he does not know baseball like most of us.” Bando, upon Washington's release: "I'd feel sorry for him if he were a player."

And in the "Finley Folly A Steal" article, Washington himself seems to know he’s running a thin line. “I thought stealing bases would be easy. I had little knowledge of what it entails to steal a base. It's a science and I'm still learning. I still have trouble judging whether a ball will be caught and I don't always get a good jump." Sports Illustrated wrote that the rap on him was "he can run but he can't slide." The local media ripped him when he missed signs. Teams would take advantage of his inexperience by beating him with pickoff moves or pitchouts.

And, as we talked about when considering what Hamilton’s value would be as a pinch-runner in 2012, you have to be almost perfect to make this worthwhile. If a pinch-runner stole second every single time he could and was used almost every game and was never caught, he’d be worth about a quarter of a win per month. That’s valuable, and that guy probably keeps a roster spot. But start shaving it down, to even 90 percent, and it’s about a one-win player. Is that worth the headache, the roster spot, and the cost of all those starters you’d be taking out of the lineup for the rest of the game? Ehhh. It really needs to be a guy who can steal every time and never get caught.

And a quick note about the premise
We’re assuming that a sprinter today would be considerably faster than Washington. Washington was noted for his quick starts, which was why he was so good at the 50- and 60-yard races. Bolt, who sets the standard for modern runners, is noted for his relatively slow buildup but incredible peak speed. It’s not necessarily a certainty that he’d be faster than Washington from first to second. Though this guy claims that Bolt’s splits at 40 and 50 meters are about three percent faster than Carl Lewis’ were, so maybe the premise is fine.

Conclusion
A lot of this conversation has been about margins, about small margins. The tiny margin separating Billy Hamilton from Usain Bolt, and how big it really is. The tiny margin between safe and out, and how big it really is. But the margin between success and failure for Finley’s experiment was so slim, too. He had an idea that everybody laughed at. It almost worked. It failed, disastrously, but Washington’s career WARP was 0.0. It wasn’t -20.0. He was maybe the fifth-worst player on his team, WARPwise. The margins between success and failure are slim, and therefore it’s hard to say how this hypothetical situation would work out considering all the unknowns.

But, answering the questions that we started with: I’d expect a sprinter today to be faster than Washington. I’d expect that sprinter to be considerably faster than Hamilton in a non-baseball context. And I’d expect that if Hamilton were, say, five percent faster, he would be almost literally unstoppable once he reached base. There are certain things baseball can’t change, and 90 feet is one of them. As humans get faster, eventually one of them will crack 90 feet. Ninety feet simply won’t be far enough. I don’t know what happens then.

But I’m not convinced that the faster runner would be faster to second. Think back to the anatomy of the Billy Hamilton caught stealing. If he were, say, five percent faster, he’d get there five frames sooner. But those frames are just as easy to add back in at the front of the sequence, when the pitcher makes his move: Does the modern Herb Washington take off two frames slower? We’re talking about six-hundredths of a second! Does he take a lead that’s one step smaller? That’s a frame. Does he slide a bit less efficiently? Does that add one frame, two, three?

Further: does the certainty that the runner is going—not even the certainty we see with Hamilton, but the absolute certainty that comes from inserting a runner whose only job is to steal a base—make it easier for the pitcher to shave a couple frames off his delivery, or the catcher to call for pitches that shave a couple frames off his pop time? Start adding these frames up, and it starts to seem like our hypothetical Usain Bolt would need to be not just considerably but considerably faster than Hamilton to kill-screen 90 feet.


So, yeah, I think some team would totally be justified revisiting Finley’s experiment. But I wouldn’t expect it to work, not yet.

Thanks to David for inspiring this with an Effectively Wild listener email.

Sam Miller is an author of Baseball Prospectus. 
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edwardarthur

This is great. It would be worth the roster slot if you just planned to use him as a September call-up, with the bonus that he could spend five months in the minors practicing baseball. Hard to imagine that would appeal to Usain Bolt, but it suspect the tenth fastest sprinter in the world is also a lot faster than Billy Hamilton, doesn't have Bolt's income-generating opportunities, and may have even played some high school ball (as you mention Herb Washington did)....

Mar 07, 2014 03:58 AM
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Matthew Trueblood

That's the thing, though: the roster spot. It's totally worth it in September, but the rest of the year, the way teams build their rosters these days, it's untenable. I'm no advocate for the way teams build their rosters these days, mind you: I want 14 position players back on every 25-man roster. But until that becomes reality, there's not enough on anyone's bench to make this work.

Mar 07, 2014 07:12 AM
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BP staff member Sam Miller
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Maybe they build their rosters that way because they can't get enough pitchers, but maybe they build their rosters that way because there aren't any other good options for that 14th spot. Maybe if you gave them something they could actually use, instead of a lousy extra pinch-hitter (especially in the AL), they would use it.

Mar 07, 2014 07:21 AM
 
Matthew Trueblood

I'm cool with that side of it, but that's not how it feels to me. I think there are perfectly good position players teams rush to push off their roster, rather than platoon them or stash them. Again, I could be wrong.

Mar 07, 2014 07:25 AM
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Michael Bodell
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It might also be worth it in the playoffs where you presumably need less depth in the pitching staff, and "stealing" a win is very high impact.

So if you can have the 10th or 20th fastest sprinter in the world play some AAA baseball in the summer, bring them in for September stretch run, and if you make the playoffs have him on the roster (using the injured/DL exception) that might be a good value. For an expected to be contending team seems like it might be worth the major league minimum.

Mar 07, 2014 15:31 PM
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Grasul

Rickey Henderson says Rickey claims Vince Coleman isn't "the only player to really approach Hamilton's basestealing prodigiousness".

Rickey Henderson says Rickey is more than a little miffed to be disrespected like that for about 1406 specific reasons.

Mar 07, 2014 06:35 AM
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BP staff member Sam Miller
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That's funny, I was lying in bed thinking "I need to add a couple extra-words to that sentence because otherwise Rickey..." but I was so comfortable so I figured I'd get to it in the morning.

Mar 07, 2014 06:52 AM
 
Grasul

It was a fun article; well done.

Mar 07, 2014 07:02 AM
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jdeich

What is Rickey doing these days? If the only thing stopping Billy Hamilton from the "automatic SB" is reading the pitcher and getting an ideal jump, who better to teach it? Rickey swiped bags at 76% in his age 40+ seasons.

Mar 07, 2014 12:06 PM
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TigerzFan

Trying to compare Usain Bolt to Billy Hamilton is like comparing a Porsche to a Corvette each one does something different that makes them fast. The Porsche (Hamilton) is a small compact acceleration specialist that uses it's smaller frame to get of the line and to a max speed quicker. Now the bulkier Corvette (Bolt) can't get to it's top speed as quickly but it has a considerably higher top end speed once it gets going.

If you were to shorten the race from 100M to 100FT I would be confident that Hamilton would win every time. I think for the sake of argument that you should look at basketball players instead of track athletes when trying to find a comp for stealing ability. Example: I would bet all my gummie bears that Isiah Thomas in his prime would be able to steal at a higher percentage than Bolt would by a significant margin.

I'm no scout, but I do drag race and understand that acceleration is increasingly important as the distance of the race gets shorter.

Mar 07, 2014 07:07 AM
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maphal

Great research, Sam.

I watched three of Hamilton's at-bats Wednesday night vs. LA. He was facing Ryu, so he batted RH. Gonzalez played on the edge of the grass at first. Hamilton pushed a bunt to Gonzalez's right, but Alex Guerrero had zero chance to cover first and Hamilton was safe without a throw.

After a bloop single with runners on in his second AB, Hamilton's third AB was with the bases empty. (There is a huge difference when Hamilton has runners on.) LA's infield shifted to where the 3B and Gonzalez at first were four feet in on the grass. The SS and 2B were even with the bags. That is an absurd shift for a leadoff hitter. So if Hamilton learns to make solid, consistent contact, he's going to be a terror.

Mar 07, 2014 07:55 AM
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jdeich

Let's say you sign an Olympic-quality sprinter who played, say, high-school baseball competently.

Given the athletic gifts that person already has, how likely is it that you could train them to be a MLB-quality defender in the outfield? After a year of intensive practice (positioning, jumps, routes, catching the ball, etc.), could their range/acceleration qualify them as a late-game replacement for the aging slugger you stick in the corner outfield?

Mar 07, 2014 08:51 AM
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danfinn01

Great article. One of the missing points that may be responsible for the consistant lowering of the world record time is equipment. Running shoes are lighter now than ever. I wolder what Bolt's time would be wearing Bob Hayes 1964 gear? If your only job is to pinch run, put some lightweight spikes (so you can turn) on running shoes. Of course, Billy Hamilton is a baseball player so he will wear regular (heavier) spikes for use in the OF, and for batting. I would much prefer real spikes on my feet (not running shoes) if I were to foul a ball off my foot.

Mar 07, 2014 08:56 AM
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Geoff Young

Fun article, Sam. Thanks for the Superstars footage. The only thing better than watching Willie Gault run was Mark Gastineau's hair.

Mar 07, 2014 09:45 AM
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jgroves2001

The last great basestealer that I had respect for was Kenny Lofton. I think I read somewhere where Kenny said that the base is stolen or not stolen at the moment you take off, or something to that effect. Lofton spent a lot of time studying pitchers moves, knowing when to take off in the windup.

Kenny was fast. Maybe not Billy Hamilton fast, but he did play point guard at Arizona so he's got some short track wheels. When I see this gif I see a player that gets a bad start and needs the throw to be off in order to not get caught. The fact that he made it as close as he did is more a testament to his speed.

My point is that Usain Bolt would probably beat Hamilton by a good 20 yards in the 100. What he can't do is read a pitcher and know when to get a good jump.

I can think of lots of guys that put up ungodly SB stats in the minors but when they get to the show it's a whole other ballgame. Speed in the minors is speed in the majors, but the pitcher's ability to hold runners on base is what makes the difference.

Mar 07, 2014 10:21 AM
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huztlers

Hamilton got a bad jump on that CS. Stealing bases is about the jump that you get and little else. Sure, David Wells will need more than a good jump to swipe a bag but the majority of those variables can be factored out of the equation/analysis. If you want to overcomplicated things, then go ahead, but stealing bases is about the jump, which consists of quickness, committing, and not being afraid of being caught. There is no reason to think that a sprinter would be good at the the last element of getting a good jump which is not being afraid. Speed isn't enough, you have to cheat a little bit - that is not how sprinting in track works. It would be called a false start.

Mar 07, 2014 10:58 AM
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Matthew Trueblood

You're right about the jump Hamilton got on that particular attempt. I think you're overselling the general value of a good jump, relative to pure speed and acceleration.

Mar 07, 2014 11:56 AM
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iorg34

My thought: when are teams going to go with a speed-skating style uniform that cuts air resistance? Gross.

Mar 07, 2014 11:16 AM
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patsmack

Stolen bases would increase relative to baseball uniform tightness decreasing.

Mar 07, 2014 18:47 PM
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patsmack

err increasing tightness

Mar 07, 2014 18:48 PM
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hyprvypr

I don't know if it's something that can be assessed for value, but I would assume most pitchers have a little harder time pitching as effectively when they are focusing so much on a runner. There is probably a fair bit of value in that.

In any case, it's a great article about the game within the game.

Mar 07, 2014 21:50 PM
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oloughla

One important factor here: Official electronic (FAT) times are not equivalent to unofficial hand times. In fact, you need to add ~0.24 seconds to a hand timed 100m dash to estimate the FAT time. All of Hamilton's times are hand timed. All of Bolt's are FAT.

Mar 08, 2014 10:27 AM
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ebjornstad

Formerpro (whoever he is) claims he ran a 13.1 around the bases? . That would break the major league record. Of course there's absolutely no way to verify such nonsense. I bet "Formerpro" is Willie Aikens or someone like that - some couch potato with a beer gut who lives off telling people how great he was in his former life. Yeah, 13.1 seconds. Dude, you must have been really fast. Can I get you another beer?

Mar 11, 2014 15:22 PM
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