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As with comedy, timing is everything in baseball. "Hitting is timing," Hall of Famer Warren Spahn said famously, finishing the thought with the complementary observation, "Pitching is upsetting timing." A good chunk of both the game's traditional and advanced statistics, the ones that we spurn and those that we celebrate, owe plenty to being the right man in the right place at the right time—wins, saves, and RBI from the former camp, leverage, run expectancy, and win expectancy from the latter. ERA owes everything to the sequence of events. For better or worse, MVP votes are won and lost on the timing of a player's productivity, or at least the perception of it that comes with being labeled "clutch." Timing is a major part of how we measure the game, so it should matter when we look over the course of a player's career in evaluating his fitness for the Hall of Fame.

As such, when delving into the muck where performance-enhancing drugs intersect with baseball, it's important to take timing into consideration. It's all too easy to sit in judgment, attempting to retrofit today's standards onto yesterday's actions, to apply what Buster Olney called retroactive morality to Hall of Fame candidates when it comes to PED usage. However, it's important to remember that the rules of the game and even the laws of the country didn't change quickly enough to head off the dopers. A great deal of institutional inertia had to be overcome on both fronts before they did change, and even then, the sequence of what transpired was far more complicated than simply flipping a switch. So timing matters.

Timing isn't exactly what prevented Jeff Bagwell from gaining entry to the Hall of Fame when he first appeared on the ballot last year. Instead, a whisper campaign regarding his alleged use of performance-enhancing drugs—despite the fact that he never failed a drug test, and wasn't named in the Mitchell Report—was used by some voters to justify not voting for a player who ranks among the game's greatest first basemen despite an injury-abbreviated career. Bagwell received 41.7 percent of the vote, not an insurmountably low percentage, but a disappointing one in light of the strength of his candidacy.

As we debated the propriety of not voting for Bagwell based upon a lack of PED-related, what nearly everyone debating his candidacy missed, critics as well as supporters (yours truly included) was that Bagwell had admitted to using androstenedione back before it was outlawed by major league baseball. In the August 31, 1998 issue of Sports Illustrated, Jack McCallum noted that "Houston Astros star Jeff Bagwell told The Houston Chronicle, two weeks before the McGwire storm erupted, that he had taken it," it being andro and the storm being the one that AP reporter Steve Wilstein unleashed when he detailed the presence of a certain brown bottle of pills in Mark McGwire's locker as he chased Roger Maris' single-season home-run record.

A year later in the same magazine, Tom Verducci profiled the Astros slugger, writing, "His off-season regimen now includes not only [competitive bodybuilder Herschel] Johnson's training but also creatine, the nutritional supplement, and the controversial testosterone-boosting androstenedione. 'It may help your workout, but it doesn't help you hit home runs,' he says." Verducci alluded to that article in his rundown of the 2011 ballot, which wasn't published until January 4, the day before the announcement of the voting results, and long after most of the initial jousting over Bagwell's candidacy had occurred and ballots sent off. Timing, right?

One can’t discuss the first basemen on the BBWAA Hall of Fame ballot without addressing the subject of PEDs, so as we consider the Hall of Fame candidacies of Bagwell, McGwire and Rafael Palmeiro, we must not only reckon with their on-field accomplishments but with our incomplete knowledge about what they used and when, and what we know (and don't know) about the effects of the drugs. We will return to the topic of PEDs within the contexts of the various candidates below, but let's talk about some baseball first.

If you missed the introduction to this year's JAWS series—the method to the madness, and the changes both in WARP and in the way the positional standards are calculated—please read here.

First basemen

Player

H

HR

RBI

AVG/OBP/SLG

AS

MVP

GG

HOFS

HOFM

Bal

2011%

Jeff Bagwell

2314

449

1529

.297/.408/.540

4

1

1

59

150

1

41.7%

Don Mattingly

2153

222

1099

.307/.358/.471

6

1

9

34

134

11

13.6%

Fred McGriff

2490

493

1550

.284/.377/.509

5

0

0

48

100

1

17.9%

Mark McGwire

1626

583

1414

.263/.394/.588

12

0

1

42

170

5

19.8%

Rafael Palmeiro

3020

569

1835

.288/.371/.515

4

0

3

57

178

1

11.0%

 

Player

TAv

RAP

VORP

FRAA

Career

Peak

JAWS

Bagwell

.321

486

733

57

76.6

48.5

62.6

Mattingly

.294

132

338

56

38.0

34.3

36.2

McGriff

.303

231

499

-117

39.9

29.9

34.9

McGwire

.332

402

607

-64

55.1

39.5

47.3

Palmeiro

.299

270

595

0

59.7

32.1

45.9

Avg HOF 1B

.320

353

715

9

61.1

40.8

51.6

Deciphering the abbreviations in the first table, AS is All-Star game appearances and GG is Gold Gloves won; HoFS and HoFM are the Bill James Hall of Fame Standards and Hall of Fame Monitor, respectively; Bal is how many years the player has appeared on the ballot, and 2011% is the player's share of the vote on the last ballot, with 75 percent needed for election. In the second table, TAv is True Average, RAP is Runs Above Position, VORP is Value Over Replacement Player, FRAA is Fielding Runs Above Average, Career is career WARP total, Peak is the WARP total for a player’s best seven seasons, and JAWS is the adjusted average of those two.

Jeff Bagwell
Bagwell was an outstanding, durable slugger with power, patience, positive defensive value and an inimitable spread-legged stance. He ranked as one of the best hitters of his era, though he wasn't as flashy—or as controversial—as the men who broke the single-season home run record, and while his career was abbreviated by shoulder woes, he compares quite favorably to the first basemen in Cooperstown.

A fourth round draft pick by the Red Sox in 1989, the Boston-born slugger never got to play for the Olde Towne Team. Instead he was traded to the Astros in a deal that has since become a cautionary tale, one which sent reliever Larry Andersen to Boston. For the price of 22 stretch-drive innings which were worth all of 1.0 WARP, the Sox surrendered a player who would win the 1991 NL Rookie of the Year award, the 1994 NL MVP award, and make five All-Star appearances. Even with Mo Vaughn occupying first base for the bulk of the Nineties, Boston's 86-year championship drought might have ended a few years sooner if they hadn't pulled the trigger on that deal. Nice trade, Lou Gorman.

Bagwell spent the first nine years of his career (1991-1999) in the Astrodome, which in its day was one of the majors' toughest hitting environments, so when he put up numbers that looked decent, they were actually very good, and when he put up numbers that looked very good, they were absolutely great. Case in point: Bagwell's rookie season, when he hit .294/.387/.437 with 15 homers,was good for a .307 True Average, the league's 10th-best mark. Bagwell hit a combined .304/.416/.545 during his Astrodome years, good for a .334 True Average (fifth in that period behind Barry Bonds, Frank Thomas, Mark McGwire and Mike Piazza)and 54.7 WARP (third among hitters behind Bonds and Ken Griffey Jr.). Playing in the same league as both Bonds and McGwire, he never led the Senior Circuit in homers, but he did rank second in 1994 (39) and 1997 (43), the latter the first of three 40-homer seasons in a four-year span. He ranked among the top 10 in True Average in eight of those nine years, and the top five in six of them, finishing with the league's best mark in 1994 (.381). His strike-shortened 1994 numbers are just off the charts —368/.451/.750 with 39 homers in 110 games, for a career-high 8.8 WARP, 2.7 higher than Bonds, and 3.4 higher than any other NL hitter.

The Astros were a doormat when Bagwell joined them, but with an offense led by Bagwell and fellow "Killer B" Craig Biggio, they soon emerged as contenders. Division realignment was kind to them; they finished first four times in a five-year span from 1997-2001, though each time they lost in the first round, and in fact went 2-12 in the postseason during that span. Bagwell was of particularly little help, batting just .174/.367/.174 in those series.

The Astros moved into Enron Field (later Minute Maid Park) in 2000, when Bagwell was 32, and the  hitter-friendly park helped mask his gentle decline. He was still worth 15.7 WARP from 2000-2002, but his True Averages fell by about 20 points. His play took a noticeable dip in 2004, when he hit just .266/.377/.465, the first time he'd slugged below .500 since 1995, but he did hit .286/.375/.490 in the postseason as the Astros fell just one win short of the World Series. The team would get there the next year, and he would even get a chance to take his cuts, but Bagwell played in just 39 games and 123 plate appearances in 2005 due to an arthritic right shoulder which limited him to pinch-hitting duties after he returned from surgery in September. DHing in two games and pinch-hitting in the other two, he went just 1-for-8 in the World Series as the Astros were swept by the White Sox. Bagwell was just 37 at the time, but his career was over.

That early end prevented Bagwell from reaching round-numbered plateaus (2,500 hits, 500 homers) which would enhance his case, but even without them, he measures up against the best first basemen of all time:

Player

Career

Peak

JAWS

Lou Gehrig*

97.2

60.8

79.0

Albert Pujols

91.8

65.6

78.7

Jimmie Foxx*

96.4

59.4

77.9

Cap Anson**

93.1

40.4

66.7

Jeff Bagwell

76.6

48.5

62.6

Johnny Mize**

71.3

49.4

60.4

Roger Connor**

73.9

39.7

56.8

Jim Thome

71.0

39.5

55.2

Dick Allen

61.9

48.2

55.0

George Sisler*

59.8

49.5

54.7

Willie McCovey*

64.8

43.9

54.4

Dan Brouthers**

68.0

40.2

54.1

Harmon Killebrew*

65.7

41.8

53.7

Hank Greenberg*

58.8

47.9

53.4

Todd Helton

58.1

44.8

51.5

*BBWAA-elected Hall of Famer
**VC-elected Hall of Famer

Bagwell ranks fifth among the first basemen in career value and JAWS, sixth in peak, and while we can stop to gawk at the fact that Pujols is a lock to surpass Gehrig atop the rankings, that's not the issue at hand. Bagwell is about 130 runs better than the average Hall of Fame first baseman with the bat, and another 50 with the glove. Unequivocally, he belongs in Cooperstown.

As obvious as his election should be, Bagwell fell far short last year, because a certain contingent of voters inferred that he used PEDs. After all, he put up strong numbers during a time when PED use was rampant in the game, and look at the size of those arms! Bagwell never had a positive test; his career barely overlapped with the introduction of testing and penalties. He wasn't named in the Mitchell Report (though latter-day teammates such as Andy Pettitte and Roger Clemens were) or any other investigation, nor was his name leaked from the supposedly anonymous list of 104 players who tested positive during survey testing.

Bagwell did admit to andro usage at a time when andro was not only not outlawed by Major League Baseball but still legal under the U.S. flag, and available on the shelves of GNC stores. Though banned by the International Olympic Committee in 1997 and classified as an androgenic-anabolic steroid by that same body, androstenedione remained legal in baseball until June 2004, when it was added to Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act, which placed it in the same legal class as anabolic steroids as well as hydcrocodone (Vicodon), ketamine, synthetic THC, and other substances for which both accepted medical uses and the potential for abuse and dependence exist. Anabolics were added as of 1990, which created stringent regulations for their use and distribution without a prescription. It was that action that had prompted commissioner Fay Vincent to outlaw them in a 1991 memo that explicitly prohibited any illegal drug or controlled substance including steroids.

As noted above, I'm strongly of the opinion that we shouldn't attempt to apply retroactive morality to Hall of Fame candidates when it comes to PED usage. Hell, the U.S. Constitution itself prohibits ex post facto laws. Had Bagwell used andro in 2005, or flunked a drug test, I'd feel differently, but timing matters. He should be voted into the Hall of Fame. He won’t be this year, but it would be nice to see him surpass the 50 percent mark and build toward induction.

Mark McGwire
McGwire's 583 home runs rank 10th on the all-time list, his .588 slugging percentage is eighth, and his .332 True Average is 23rd, but his case is no more fun to debate than Bagwell's thanks to the steroid-related questions that surround his career. I went through his case in considerable detail three years ago, but a good bit of what I've written there no longer applies. Unlike in years past, the current iterations of WARP and JAWS place him below the standard for first basemen. Roughly speaking, he's lost about 50 runs on defense, 35 due to baserunning, and another 50 due to a higher replacement level and other changes to our hitter valuations. In the JAWS rankings at the position, he has fallen from 12th to 19th, and his score now outdoes only seven of the 18 enshrined first basemen, down from 12 last time around.

McGwire has failed to garner much support on the ballot from the same body that put him on a pedestal back in the late ‘90s, doing so while shunning the writer who exposed his dirty little secret. He has yet to draw 25 percent of the vote on five ballots, and in fact fell below 20 percent last year, the first ballot following his January 2010 admission of use. After publicly pressuring McGwire to confess, some of the biggest names in the BBWAA flat-out declared they wouldn't vote for him now that he'd done so, and his chances for gaining entry during his 15 years of eligibility appear bleak. While I don't agree with the way he's been vilified—again, the timing of his usage is important, as far as I'm concerned—the focus of this project is to argue in favor of the players my system identifies as worthy. The current measures say McGwire is not, so we move onward.

Rafael Palmeiro
In his first year on the ballot, Palmeiro received even less traction from the voters than McGwire ever did, this despite his becoming just the fourth player in history to combine 3,000 hits with 500 homers; Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, and Eddie Murray are the others. Instead, he's become the poster boy for hubris in double-knit polyester. His accomplishments are overshadowed by the juxtaposition of his finger-wagging congressional testimony with his subsequent positive steroid test (which made headlines just 17 days after his 3,000th hit) and his abject refusal to take any kind of responsibility for his actions in the wake of his suspension. Before consigning him to the same two-paragraph hell as McGwire, I'll review his career once more in light of the new numbers, which bump him from being more or less right on the borderline to well below it.

A first-round pick by the Cubs in 1985, the Cuban-born Palmeiro reached the majors in September of the following year, and arrived for good in mid-1987. He was primarily a left fielder for the Cubs, who had Leon Durham and then Mark Grace at first base, and so after the 1988 season—a year in which he'd finished second in the batting title race and earned All-Star honors—he was dealt to the Rangers in a nine-player trade that also included Jamie Moyer and Mitch Williams. Palmeiro emerged as a star during his first stint with the Rangers (1989-1993), leading the league in hits in 1990 and in runs in 1993. The two most valuable seasons of his career took place during this period; in 1991 he hit .322/.389/.532 for a .324 TAv and a 5.0 WARP, and in 1993, he hit .295/.371/.554 for a .311 TAv and 4.4 WARP. The Rangers finished above .500 in four of those five years, but never with more than 86 wins, and never higher than second place in the seven-team AL West.

Palmeiro departed for Baltimore via free agency after that season, and over the next five years, he put up the biggest numbers of his career. He hit .292/.371/.545 while averaging 36 homers a year including the strike year, and topping 38 for four straight years. His most valuable season of this period was 1995 (5.1 WARP), but he dipped as low as 1.3 WARP in 1997 despite his home runs. The Orioles' star-laden lineup, which included Roberto Alomar, Brady Anderson, and Cal Ripken, plus Eddie Murray and Harold Baines, made the postseason in 1996 and 1997 but couldn't make it to the World Series. Palmeiro hit a combined .239/.304/.479 with four homers. He departed after the 1998 season—the first losing season in a streak that's still alive—and returned to Texas as a free agent, where he set a career high for homers (47) while hitting .324/.420/.630, good for a .325 TAv and 4.4 WARP. He finished fifth in the MVP balloting, his highest showing ever, and won one of the most dubious Gold Gloves in history, claiming the first-base award despite playing just 28 games there in his first year as a primary DH.

Palmeiro's second Texas stint lasted five seasons, and he averaged .284/.390/.566 with 43 homers while playing half his games in the hitter-friendly Ballpark at Arlington. On May 11, 2003, he reached the 500-homer plateau with a homer off Cleveland's Dave Elder. He moved back to Baltimore at the end of that season to chase 3,000 hits. He reached that milestone on July 15, 2005, with a double off Joel Pineiro. Just over two weeks later, all hell broke loose when it was revealed he'd tested positive for a banned substance, later said to be Winstrol, and was banned for 10 days, the penalty in place at the time for first offenders. He denied knowingly taking PEDs, implicated teammate Miguel Tejada as having provided him with potentially offending supplements, and was subjected to a Congressional investigation into whether he perjured himself, but was not prosecuted any further. Meanwhile, a day in his honor to celebrate his 3,000th hit was canceled, and when he returned from his suspension, he was showered by so many boos that he took to wearing earplugs, a state of affairs that didn't last long. After collecting just two hits in 29 plate appearances over a two-week span, he went home and never played again.

On the traditional merits, Palmeiro certainly has the numbers for Cooperstown. The knock on him before he tested positive was that he racked up those numbers in favorable hitting environments during a high-offense era at a time when others were similarly putting up huge numbers, and that in that context, he was never really considered a star. That explanation falls at least somewhat flat; while he made four All-Star teams, he received MVP votes in no less than 10 seasons, and while he cracked the top 10 in those votes just three times, that still means he was considered one of the league's best hitters in half of the seasons he played.

Having said that, the fact that Palmeiro falls short on the peak standard by more than eight wins but comes much closer (though still short) on the career score does lend credence to the notion that his longevity put him in a position for the Hall more than anything else. He ultimately falls below the JAWS standard by a significant margin, though as I noted last year when he was right on the line, the presence of a positive test and the ridiculous spectacle he made of himself in relation to the subject at hand both before and after don't help his cause. While we have no idea what role PEDs played in compiling his career numbers, we do know he violated the game's policy and brought a great deal of negative attention to himself and Major League Baseball in the process. In that light, I can't feel particularly broken up about where he stands on the ballot.

Fred McGriff
The Crime Dog reached the ballot two years ago, but even with a certain nostalgia among voters based upon the fact that he hit the majority of his 493 home runs before the assaults on the single-season home-run record began, he debuted at just 21.5 percent of the vote, and saw his support recede last year. He doesn't measure up well against the JAWS standard, particularly given the new system's opinion of his defense, which has stink lines coming off of it (-117 FRAA).

Even on the traditional merits, McGriff’s case didn't look all that strong. Despite the two home-run titles, he's well short of the Black Ink of a typical Hall of Famer (though that Jamesian metric fails to adjust for expansion). He never won an MVP award (his top single-season WARP total of 5.5 isn't MVP caliber), and while he did place in the top 10 in the voting in six straight seasons (1989-1994), he only cracked the top five in 1993. Previously, I compared the shape of his JAWS line to that of Tony Perez (now 53.2/37.1/45.1), but that particular Doggie had five pennants, two rings, and a more famous dynasty to his name, and he’s now clearly ahead of McGriff. No sale.

Don Mattingly
Mattingly's case is one I've hammered every year since the introduction of JAWS. The system's revisions aren't pushing him any closer to the Hall standard, and he hasn't even received 20 percent of the vote since 2002. We'll forgo the retelling of his tale of woe, and in light of his nascent managerial career, hope that a Veterans Committee to be named later can be swayed by the combination of his credentials.

 So having reviewed the infielders on the BBWAA ballot thus far, we come away with Bagwell joining Barry Larkin and Edgar Martinez among the JAWS-approved. I’ll be back with another installment of the series later this week.   

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Oleoay
12/28
Color me shocked on McGwire... from both a career and peak JAWS perspective.
AlexHoefer
12/28
My old man as always maintained that steroids or not McGwire was so one dimensional he doesn't belong. Glad to see something like JAWS support it. People will get up in arms when you tell them something like that.
Oleoay
12/28
The guy got on base at a .394 clip. That's hardly one dimensional.
Oleoay
12/29
Jay,

I'm trying to reconcole the idea that McGwire, who is 23nd in True Average, isn't considered a Hall of Famer. Is True Average an imperfect measure of Hall-worthiness from a hitting perspective? If so, why?
jjaffe
12/29
True Average is a very good measure, but like all rate stats, it requires the context of sample size. McGwire's 7660 PA is 15 percent less than the average HOF 1B. Of the 131 non-pitcher/non-catcher HOFers for whom I can do a legitimate JAWS (I don't count Monte Irvin in this set), just 31 had fewer career PA. Two of them made the majors after years in the Negro Leagues (Jackie Robinson and Larry Doby), and none of them played after Doby's retirement in 1959. George Kell, who last played in 1957, is the next most recent. Furthermore, just five players with fewer PA were voted in by the BBWAA: Jackie, Bill Terry, Hank Greenberg, Lou Boudreau and Ralph Kiner, with Boudreau (1970) and Kiner (1975, his 13th year of eligibility) the only ones elected since Robinson in 1962.

In other words, apart from anything having to do with his PED-related allegations and his shortcomings on the bases and in the field (which, had they been average, would keep him above the standard), his career length is actually his biggest obstacle in gaining entry.
Oleoay
12/29
I can understand the career length rationale. "McGwire's 7660 PA is 15 percent less than the average HOF 1B" is a good argument. A full season's worth of at-bats might've pushed him over the hump.

I do think he is a Hall of Famer but I can see the career length argument. Thanks.
Oleoay
12/28
Also, I don't quite get the "dirty little secret" line... As you note in your Bagwell section, andro was legal when it was found in McGwire's locker too...
jjaffe
12/28
I referred to it that way because for the most part, the public had no idea McGwire or anyone else was taking any supplements, legal or not.
GarryP
12/28
I have seen Bagwell, up close a number of times and a normal human being just doesn't look like that. Those arms were unreal. That being said, I'm stunned at his numbers. You make an extremely strong case. If I was a voter, it would be a no brainer.
briankopec
12/28
A normal human being isn't a professional athlete.
orlandoca7
12/28
Great stuff!

Although I didn't think he would surpass standard, I thought Mattingly's case would have improved more significantly given the revised methodology.

jjaffe
12/28
He's more or less unchanged, lost ~1 JAWS point relative to the standard. Gained ground in fielding, lost it in hitting with a higher replacement level.
rawagman
12/28
Jay - in preparing my ballot for the Hall of Merit project, I did a double take on seeing McGriff's revised fielding numbers. They were so low as to seem off. How do you explain them?
jjaffe
12/28
I haven't looked particularly closely, to be honest, though there is one year where he's like -32 which looks very odd now that I scan his player card. I'll leave the explanations of the intricacies of Colin Wyers' system to Colin, but I'll ask him about that one.
Oleoay
12/28
I noticed that as well, but I think I've said my piece about FRAA.
jjaffe
12/28
Yes, Richard, I believe you did. And I'll remind that there's nothing particularly sacrosanct about our previous FRAA numbers and methodology either. It had plenty of critics, and its replacement-level methodology caused a huge problem with our player valuations, particularly w/r/t the pitcher/fielder responsibility split. To find out that somewhere there's a nostalgia for it is like finding out that the USFL had die-hard fans.
Oleoay
12/28
I'm kind of nostalgic about the idea that Fred McGriff, for his career, was a better fielder than Mark McGwire.
eighteen
12/28
On that subject: Just how the hell did McGwire win a Gold Glove?
jjaffe
12/28
The same way anyone else does: by hitting 39 homers!
Oleoay
12/28
That explains Palmeiro's 1999 Gold Glove too!
eighteen
12/30
True. Ryne Sandberg won his Gold Gloves with the bat, too.
Oleoay
12/30
Coming from a Cubs fan, "Ouch"
Oleoay
12/28
I'm not saying McGwire was a horrendous fielder, but I'd like to think that considering McGwire's knee, back and foot problems that McGriff would be at least equal to him unless people were really off about McGriff's reputation.



AlexHoefer
12/28
I will go ahead and say McGwire was a horrendous fielder.
ArthurCopeland
1/11
I seriously miss the USFL. I remember attending a Tampa Bay Bandits game with 45,000+ VERY enthusiastic fans chanting RB Greg Boone's name.

In fact, the Bandits outdrew the Bucs in 1985 (45,220 vs. 38,753). And don't get me started on the way the Jacksonville Jaguars have nowhere near the support the USFL's Jacksonville Bulls had (the Jags sell lots of tickets to empty seats).

So yes, the USFL had thousands of die-hard fans.
jjaffe
1/11
The resident USFL maven at BP was Christina Kahrl. I'd suggest chasing her down if you want to wax nostalgic on the topic.
hotstatrat
12/28
It would have been more to my liking if the other prominent Hall of Fame eligible firstbasemen were included: John Olerud, Don Mattingly ...
Oleoay
12/28
Mattingly was mentioned...

Olerud only got 4 votes last year so he was dropped from the ballot...

jjaffe
12/28
Olerud was one and done on the ballot last year, so I'm not sure why anyone would expect him to be brought up here. He received 0.7 percent of the vote. At 52.0/37.0/44.5, he's below the HOF standard for 1B, better than Mattingly and McGriff but not as good as Palmeiro or McGwire, and with a lot less of the "fame" stuff that can put a borderline candidate over the top.
hotstatrat
12/29
Lou Whitaker was one and done - I think he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. I don't think I'm the only one who thinks John Olerud deserves as much consideration as Palmeiro and McGriff who are being discussed in this piece. However, with his loss of eligibility I can see why you left him out. Nonetheless, by some metrics, it is a travesty he is out of the BBWAA voting already. Thanks for providing his scores.

I also wonder how much confidence we can place in your defensive metric. Is our data from those years so accurate that we can attribute such a large variance in run production?

Some day, if we can have accurate assessment of the affects of verboten drugs on Palmeiro and McGwire's careers and wish to penalize them accordingly, we might look back and see Olerud or McGriff has the best firstbasemen of their time - after Bagwell - if he was clean.

SGreenwell
12/29
Since Olerud clearly isn't a Hall of Famer by JAWS or BBWAA standards, why is it such a travesty that he's off the ballot already? It's not like he acquires Schrute Bucks or an increased pension each year he survives on the ballot. Then again, I've never understood the fuss some people have about guys staying on the ballot when no one thinks they're a Hall of Famer - it's a sort of manufactured debate to me, like when there is consternation about down-ballot Cy Young and MVP finishers.
hotstatrat
12/29
1. JAWS and the BBWAA aren't everyone. 2. Nothing in baseball is particularly important in life. If people choose to examine the merits of borderline Hall of Famers and down ballet MVPers, that isn't any less worthy than watching a game or most baseball debates.
aquavator44
12/30
Jay wrote about Olerud and Whitaker when they were actually on the ballot. They didn't get enough votes to stay on, so he didn't write about them again. Do you really expect him to say something about every player who was on the ballot and isn't anymore?
Oleoay
12/30
Only those with double-secret premium subscriptions expect that.
hotstatrat
12/31
Most of us do not have any vested interest in who gets into the Hall of Fame. To us it is a framework for comparing the best players throughout the ages. So, I would prefer to see how the new candidates compare to the ones in the Hall and the ones, at least, in recent memory of comparable greatness who didn't make the cut. I don't expect a full paragraph, but would like to keep them remembered with a stat line or a comment.
jjaffe
12/29
"Some day, if we can have accurate assessment of the affects of verboten drugs on Palmeiro and McGwire's careers..."

Alas, I'm pretty sure we'll have a cure for the common cold and direct human interplanetary transport before we have that capability.
Oleoay
12/29
I want my flying car.
hotstatrat
12/31
Point taken. Yet, somehow that is unsatisfactory. We want to reward the good guys. The leaves us with speculation, which, of course, can be totally unfair - but overall probably more accurate.
LordD99
12/30
Flying car? We were promised jet packs!
BrewersTT
12/30
Re Richard and the FRAA debate, I have no nostalgia for inferior stats, but I do feel that the apparent uncertainties surrounding FRAA could be taken into account more strongly, in discussion and probably in analytical approach. Like all of the fielding metrics I'm aware of, this one seems to display unexplained variability and counter-intuitive results somewhat frequently, which doesn't invalidate it, but may mean it should not be freely blended full-weight with more mature hitting metrics. It's probably another step on the way to really reliable fielding metrics, but not quite there yet. If so, to put a lot of analytical weight on it without reservation may be hasty. To insiders this may be clearly wrong-headed, but it's not clear to me on the outside.
jjaffe
12/30
It's a fair point, and something I've explored occasionally. It's much easier to do for contemporary players, because we have an extremely limited picture given that UZR and Plus/Minus only go back a few years.

The real issue is that I'd have to tackle each position in full among the HOFers so I could get a basis of comparison, and that's a lot of time. If I get the book idea off the ground, a comparative defensive approach will definitely something that will be part of it.

Back to McGriff, though, even average defense wouldn't get him above the JAWS standard at 1B, as one can see by comparing the component numbers in the 2nd table.
Oleoay
12/30
I know McGriff isn't a Hall of Famer.

I do find it interesting that, if we totally ignored FRAA, that McGriff's TAv, VORP and other offensive metrics put him on par, if not better than Mattingly. I think a discussion on who was a better offensive first baseman, McGriff or Mattingly, is very interesting. But because of FRAA, they get placed in different categories and don't appear to be close in value.

Overall though, FRAA has always been problematic for me and the new calculation isn't passing the sniff test either, so it's hard for me to give it any weight. When I see arguments about "Player X would be a good player except he loses x runs for fielding" I just kinda shrug my shoulders more than if it was a discussion of Fielding Percentage and Range Factor.